List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Giant Strides

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final

Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 to Friday November 12

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
 
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Hendo_21

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The more boards that come out the more comfortable I feel with Fahey not being taken before pick 13m general consensus on him seems to have him ranked past 20. Of course some teams might have him ranked higher but I feel pretty good at this point that we're going to be able to walk away with 3 really quality players.
 

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The more boards that come out the more comfortable I feel with Fahey not being taken before pick 13m general consensus on him seems to have him ranked past 20. Of course some teams might have him ranked higher but I feel pretty good at this point that we're going to be able to walk away with 3 really quality players.
The more I think
Rachele should be in our sights
 

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Cameron_Jezza

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I hope so too. I also think given the possible desperate need to rebuild at Geelong we could become involved. Perhaps trade 16, cogs for Geelong 2022r1.
Or if Flynn wants to leave, add him to the trade above and We get back our 2021r2 ( pick 32). I hope he wants to stay, the issue will be if Flynn and/or Briggs think we might just play Pruess as a lone Ruckman next year ( or if someone offers much better dollars of course)
Any other ideas would be appreciated on how to help Geelong, we are trying hard to come up with trade ideas on our board but we don't have much currency ( other than retrospectively not signing Jeremy Cameron last year, instead waiting till this year). It's getting pretty boring , so help would be appreciated. I assume you don't want to bring Gary Rohan back to Sydney?
 

General Giant

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Any other ideas would be appreciated on how to help Geelong, we are trying hard to come up with trade ideas on our board but we don't have much currency ( other than retrospectively not signing Jeremy Cameron last year, instead waiting till this year). It's getting pretty boring , so help would be appreciated. I assume you don't want to bring Gary Rohan back to Sydney?
yeah we are good thanks. This is what you get when you go all in for 1 year.
Appreciate the effort though.
 

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Any other ideas would be appreciated on how to help Geelong, we are trying hard to come up with trade ideas on our board but we don't have much currency ( other than retrospectively not signing Jeremy Cameron last year, instead waiting till this year). It's getting pretty boring , so help would be appreciated. I assume you don't want to bring Gary Rohan back to Sydney?
We gave Geelong options in the trade period when we were negotiating the Jeremy Cameron deal. But you didn't want to part with a young 'star' such as Clark, Narkle etc who in hindsight might leave you guys for much less than what we were offering and you could have saved yourselves picks in last years draft. You had your chance and now it seems you must take your medicine. I actually wouldn't mind if the Giants traded out pick #13 for a future first for next year and a seconder (preferably before our Fahey pick) this year but I doubt Geelong has anything of interest to us. Geelong might need to start thinking about playing some youth instead of playing players 32+ at the very back end of their careers.
 

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Unlike others, I am not keen on Finlayson departing GWS. While I accept that he's no star and wasn't in our best 22 at the end of this season, I actually rate his level of ability - indeed, I would say in pure skills he's better than HH, Zac Sproule and Jake Riccardi. It is, and always has been, the mental side of his game that has let him down - and yes, that's a critical part of any player's make-up. (I'd love to have Zac Sproule's determination in Finlayson!) I would hope that his recent fatherhood might provide a perspective that helps him to grow over the next couple of years, be more patient, accept his role in the team, and blossom. If he could kick 45-50 goals a year regularly, and tackle and compete when he doesn't have the ball, and not spit the dummy when things don't fall his way, then he would be well worthy of a spot up front in the team.

However, it would seem not to be in our control - it will come down to ToJ, his partner, and the Port Adelaide Football club as to whether he heads interstate. My regret would be that we're unlikely to get a decent return for him - Port don't have anything between 16 & 60 this year, and 60 would be a poor return for him. We could only hope, in that case, for a future pick that is better.
 

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Unlike others, I am not keen on Finlayson departing GWS. While I accept that he's no star and wasn't in our best 22 at the end of this season, I actually rate his level of ability - indeed, I would say in pure skills he's better than HH, Zac Sproule and Jake Riccardi. It is, and always has been, the mental side of his game that has let him down - and yes, that's a critical part of any player's make-up. (I'd love to have Zac Sproule's determination in Finlayson!) I would hope that his recent fatherhood might provide a perspective that helps him to grow over the next couple of years, be more patient, accept his role in the team, and blossom. If he could kick 45-50 goals a year regularly, and tackle and compete when he doesn't have the ball, and not spit the dummy when things don't fall his way, then he would be well worthy of a spot up front in the team.

However, it would seem not to be in our control - it will come down to ToJ, his partner, and the Port Adelaide Football club as to whether he heads interstate. My regret would be that we're unlikely to get a decent return for him - Port don't have anything between 16 & 60 this year, and 60 would be a poor return for him. We could only hope, in that case, for a future pick that is better.
In an ideal world you'd like to keep someone like Finlayson, uber talented skills wise. he has work rate and attention to details has deficiencies, but virtually all players have some deficiencies.
If he would like ot be close to support for his wife and family that is reasonable and if he does go, well it is a minor setback, but still a setback IMO;
 

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Unlike others, I am not keen on Finlayson departing GWS. While I accept that he's no star and wasn't in our best 22 at the end of this season, I actually rate his level of ability - indeed, I would say in pure skills he's better than HH, Zac Sproule and Jake Riccardi. It is, and always has been, the mental side of his game that has let him down - and yes, that's a critical part of any player's make-up. (I'd love to have Zac Sproule's determination in Finlayson!) I would hope that his recent fatherhood might provide a perspective that helps him to grow over the next couple of years, be more patient, accept his role in the team, and blossom. If he could kick 45-50 goals a year regularly, and tackle and compete when he doesn't have the ball, and not spit the dummy when things don't fall his way, then he would be well worthy of a spot up front in the team.

However, it would seem not to be in our control - it will come down to ToJ, his partner, and the Port Adelaide Football club as to whether he heads interstate. My regret would be that we're unlikely to get a decent return for him - Port don't have anything between 16 & 60 this year, and 60 would be a poor return for him. We could only hope, in that case, for a future pick that is better.
if he could kick 45-50 goals a year he would be a different player

he cant
 

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if he could kick 45-50 goals a year he would be a different player

he cant
No, that's wrong.

In 2019 he kicked 44 goals at a rate of 1.9 goals per game.

This year, he only had half that number of games, and kicked at a rate of 1.8 goals per game.

So even with his noted deficiencies, he's capable of kicking around that 45 goal mark per season if he plays the whole season. If he could improve his mindset (and I'm assuming the club has worked hard on this aspect, so I acknowledge it is a big ''if''), he should be able to get 45-50.
 

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Shipley and Hutchesson delisted - again, not unexpected. Maybe Shipley could be a chance to get re-selected in the PSSP, or even just get recruited into the VFL squad, although the announcement doesn't appear to give any sniff that way. I'm not expecting any clubs to come after either of them.
 

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I haven't seen an official announcement on Phil Davis yet ... I think? There was a report that's he'd signed for another year, but has there been any confirmation?
Yep Herald Sun went with Phil re-signing but maybe Phil might have graduated to the group of guys who don't get officially announced when they re-sign or we might hear something at the B&F.
 

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Well things all seem to be panning out as expected .... I do hope we keep TOJ but realize he needs to do what’s best for him. Finn, ???, and Fahey will be good additions in place of the 4 delisted So an overall upgrade on our list
 
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Andre the Giant

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Sounds like the club is making some very practical yet hard decisions.

I remember the FIFA competition between Shippers and Buckley a few years ago, such a funny video and he came across as a lovely kid. Hutch had no luck with his body at all.

Hope they get another opportunity and if not find good alternate careers.
 

captainMyCaptain

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Sounds like the club is making some very practical yet hard decisions.

I remember the FIFA competition between Shippers and Buckley a few years ago, such a funny video and he came across as a lovely kid. Hutch had no luck with his body at all.

Hope they get another opportunity and if not find good alternate careers.
If Shippers can't get a gig at another club wouldn't mind us signing him up as part of our VFL squad
 

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