Teams 2021 Starting Team Structure

[Juzzomac]

What type of keeper structure is everyone looking at after the JLT?

My team has yo-yo'd between 11 and 12 all pre-season, but I think I've settled on 12.

5 Def
4 Mid
2 Ruck
1 FWD

The FWD (Dunkley/Danger/Martin) can swing mid as well if the rookies dry up there with how many FWD rooks there seems to be.

Structure allows for the 200-250k players like Dow/Clark/Ziebell/Daniher/Impey as well.

 

[stevebbb]

What type of keeper structure is everyone looking at after the JLT?

My team has yo-yo'd between 11 and 12 all pre-season, but I think I've settled on 12.

5 Def
4 Mid
2 Ruck
1 FWD

The FWD (Dunkley/Danger/Martin) can swing mid as well if the rookies dry up there with how many FWD rooks there seems to be.

Structure allows for the 200-250k players like Dow/Clark/Ziebell/Daniher/Impey as well

Currently the same with an extra in the middle. So that's 13 keepers with 2 of Doch/Zilliams, Taranto and Butters as the cheapest 2 players I have

12 keepers with stronger picks also works, but with a heap going MPM, I'm tempted to push for that 13th keeper

 

[Juzzomac]

Currently the same with an extra in the middle. So that's 13 keepers with 2 of Doch/Zilliams, Taranto and Butters as the cheapest 2 players I have

12 keepers with stronger picks also works, but with a heap going MPM, I'm tempted to push for that 13th keeper

That's the conundrum I'm having as well, but it's hard to justify right now with the defensive rook options.

Ridley/Stewart/Clark (or Young) could become Doch/Williams/Highmore and allow me to bring in a Taranto/Butters/Heeney for a Dow but I'm just not sure if they'll cut it this year and think I'd rather focus on getting 'better' keepers rather than just any 'keeper'.

 

[Jiska]

What type of keeper structure is everyone looking at after the JLT?

My team has yo-yo'd between 11 and 12 all pre-season, but I think I've settled on 12.

5 Def
4 Mid
2 Ruck
1 FWD

The FWD (Dunkley/Danger/Martin) can swing mid as well if the rookies dry up there with how many FWD rooks there seems to be.

Structure allows for the 200-250k players like Dow/Clark/Ziebell/Daniher/Impey as well.

"Keeper" is too subjective for mine.

This is my starting line-up structure (> 500k - 200k-500k - < 200k)

3-2-1
4-2-2
2-0-0
0-5-1

 

[stevebbb]

"Keeper" is too subjective for mine.

This is my starting line-up structure (> 500k - 200k-500k - < 200k)

3-2-1
4-2-2
2-0-0
0-5-1

Agree that it's subjective, but it's for the SCer to decide.

If somebody is picking Butters for $470k because they think he's going to breakout, then that's fine. Same with Taranto at $450k, who has a year of 100-105 average, but could fail and only average 90. End of the day nobody is paying above $350k/$400k for a non-keeper, even if history doesn't back up their claim or others disagree.

Surely you can drop the >$500k to >$400k or $450k (at least for DEF and FWD line), because let's face it, you're not picking them as stepping stones, you've picking them because you believe they are going to do well and be keepers

 

[Juzzomac]

"Keeper" is too subjective for mine.

This is my starting line-up structure (> 500k - 200k-500k - < 200k)

3-2-1
4-2-2
2-0-0
0-5-1

Yeah, keeper can mean different things depending on someone's expectation of a player and their expectation of the top 8-10 in that position

Of your 9 in the 200-500k range, how many are in the 260-450k category? And how many of those can you realistically see not needing to be upgraded this year?

Crunching the numbers with my own side, 12 'keepers' would leave me with 10 on field upgrades (1 def, 4 mid, 5 FWD) to make this year, and lordy lets hope the rookies show up at some point because I think it's going to be a struggle.

Def - 525k
Mid - 575-625k x 4
FWD - 475 - 500k x 5

Might be the year of the subpremo to fill our teams.

 

[Jiska]

Of your 9 in the 200-500k range, how many are in the 260-450k category? And how many of those can you realistically see not needing to be upgraded this year?

4 of the 9 are 260-450k. Two of those four will definitely need to be upgraded.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah, keeper can mean different things depending on someone's expectation of a player and their expectation of the top 8-10 in that position

Of your 9 in the 200-500k range, how many are in the 260-450k category? And how many of those can you realistically see not needing to be upgraded this year?

Crunching the numbers with my own side, 12 'keepers' would leave me with 10 on field upgrades (1 def, 4 mid, 5 FWD) to make this year, and lordy lets hope the rookies show up at some point because I think it's going to be a struggle.

Def - 525k
Mid - 575-625k x 4
FWD - 475 - 500k x 5

Might be the year of the subpremo to fill our teams.

How the game has changed ....when I first started playing 6 years ago, the popular opinion was not to take DEF players over $450K

Lloyd would have been classified as an insane selection

I still get confused with the term "keeper" ......injuries, suspensions, and breakout years, tend to cloud what is a keeper

 

[Jiska]

Agree that it's subjective, but it's for the SCer to decide.

If somebody is picking Butters for $470k because they think he's going to breakout, then that's fine. Same with Taranto at $450k, who has a year of 100-105 average, but could fail and only average 90. End of the day nobody is paying above $350k/$400k for a non-keeper, even if history doesn't back up their claim or others disagree.

Surely you can drop the >$500k to >$400k or $450k (at least for DEF and FWD line), because let's face it, you're not picking them as stepping stones, you've picking them because you believe they are going to do well and be keepers

450k for DEF and FWD sounds fair. I'll sticky a post with criteria.

Whether you think they're keepers or not is largely irrelevant, it's more about your overall structure.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Not necessarily fussed on exact $$$ amounts when considering keepers. If you have identified a player as a keeper for whatever reason then that's your own call.
Plenty of people started Andrew Brayshaw

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Andrew Brayshaw

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

at $390k last season with the intention of keeping him all season. If you held him through the early lean patch you are a legend IMO.

Currently have 14 keepers but a few are admittedly risky calls. Just backing my gut.

Def: 4 keepers
Mid: 5
R: 2
F: 3

Duggan, Worpel, Butters and Phillips the obvious risky calls. However I'm quite bullish on all 4.

Expecting 90-95+ averages from 3 and Worps to crack the 100.

In trouble if none pay off though.

 

[Juzzomac]

How the game has changed ....when I first started playing 6 years ago, the popular opinion was not to take DEF players over $450K

Lloyd would have been classified as an insane selection

I still get confused with the term "keeper" ......injuries, suspensions, and breakout years, tend to cloud what is a keeper

For me a keeper is someone I don't intend to trade and would be happy to have in my team at the end of the season based on last seasons output/projected output of this year.

Obviously circumstance decides what happens, but I think it's important to plan how many upgrades you'll need to make and how you'll make them when selecting a starting team/structure.

10 upgrades at an average of 1 up 1 down (looking tough this year) is 20 trades.

Leaves 10 trades for R1-3 corrections, injuries and byes.

One of the reasons why I'm hesitant on full MPM as there's not going to be as many trades as we had last year to correct any bad punts.

Also think it's more important to nail your D1-4, M1-6 and F1-4 more then it is the final 2 players, picking someone like a Butters/Duggan/Phillips etc up underpriced at the start of the year should allow you to focus on the main scorers, so even if they're not top 8-10 you can carry some lower averages around if you have the main scorers carrying them so they are for me 'keepers'.

 

[Significant]

Based on who are keepers in my team, and midpricers who require upgrading who are >$200k...

D: 4-1-3
M: 5-1-5
R: 2-0-1
F: 2-2-4

Clark, Dow, Ziebell, Impey are the midpricers
Taranto, Rowell, Phillips the midpriced players I intend to hold for the entire season

 

[Schulzenfest]

Defence: 3 premos, 1 speculative premo, 2 midpricers
Midfield: 3 premos, 2 speculative premos, 1 midpricer, 2 rookies
Ruck: 1 premo, 1 speculative premo
Forward: 1 premo, 1 speculative premo, 3 midpricers, 1 rookie

 

[Andrew Birch]

450k for DEF and FWD sounds fair. I'll sticky a post with criteria.

Whether you think they're keepers or not is largely irrelevant, it's more about your overall structure.

Rowell & Taranto are both popular sub 500k Midfield picks who many consider to be "keepers". If I start with either or both of them it will be with the intention to keep. You could mount a case for others in the sub 500k mid group Simpkin, Cerra, Sloane, Cunnington, LDU and even Heppell at 320k being Mid keepers this year.

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Based on Jiska's price brackets

4-0-4
4-0-7
2-0-1
2-2-4

I'm backing in 13 keepers, Impey the other midprice.
2 of my 4 mid premos are DPP, so I'll be requiring a lot of mid upgrades, quite a different approach to what I usually attempt.

 

[namtrak]

My season has been over before it started for the last 10 years, so why buck tradition?

D 5-0-1
M 5-0-3
R 0-0-2
F 4-0-2

No Lloyd or Neale either.

This is called the Draper-Meek-Flynn-Treacy experiment. If you want a movie analogy to understand this, think China Syndrome.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

4 - 2 - 2
5 - 1 - 5
2 - 0 - 1
1 - 3 - 4

 

[Suma Magic]

Defence: 5, 0, 1

Midfield: 2 (both mid/fwds), 3, 3

Ruck: 2, 0, 0

Forward: 1, 4 (202k-258k), 1

 

[Jiska]

Rowell & Taranto are both popular sub 500k Midfield picks who many consider to be "keepers". If I start with either or both of them it will be with the intention to keep. You could mount a case for others in the sub 500k mid group Simpkin, Cerra, Sloane, Cunnington, LDU and even Heppell at 320k being Mid keepers this year.

I could mount a case for 800 players to be keepers. And I’m sure everyone has a different opinion on where price brackets should sit as well.

In order to compare apples with apples I’ve set price brackets. Submit your structure using the set brackets and add some justification commentary if you so desire. Better than spending 8 pages arguing over what is and isn’t a keeper, don’t you think?

 

[Andrew Birch]

I could mount a case for 800 players to be keepers. And I’m sure everyone has a different opinion on where price brackets should sit as well.

In order to compare apples with apples I’ve set price brackets. Submit your structure using the set brackets and add some justification commentary if you so desire. Better than spending 8 pages arguing over what is and isn’t a keeper, don’t you think?

My point was valid.

As for structure, mine is still up in the air until enough rookies are confirmed to decide which way to proceed. Will definitely start with 4 def premo's, 4 mid premo's, 2 ruck premo's and 3 fwd premo's as I'm keen to start with 13 x 450k+ "keepers", how many mid pricers I can squeeze in is dependent on which rookies are selected & how many of the 600k+ premo's I go with, but looking at 5-6 rookies on-field at this stage.

 

[Jiska]

My point was valid.

I don’t think anyone thinks they’ve made an invalid point on this board. Ever.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

4 - 2 - 2
5 - 1 - 5
2 - 0 - 1
1 - 3 - 4

spending these dollars
12 keepers - $7m
6 mid-pricers - $1.4m
12 rookies - $1.6m

 

[stevebbb]

Based on Jiska's price brackets

4-0-4
4-0-7
2-0-1
2-2-4

I'm backing in 13 keepers, Impey the other midprice.
2 of my 4 mid premos are DPP, so I'll be requiring a lot of mid upgrades, quite a different approach to what I usually attempt.

4 def rookies? Who? Share please

Or is 1 your donut for loophole?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

This is pointless until every last premo and POD is injured and no rookies are named.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Defenders 4 - 1 - 3
Midfield 5 - 1 - 5
Ruck 2 - 0 - 1
Forward 2 - 3 - 3