2024 Coaching Thread

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Brett Moyle and Wantirna Sth part ways
 
magpies2013 said:
Brett Moyle and Wantirna Sth part ways
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So their football manager is quoted in an article saying the reason for the 2nd half slump is 16 players went overseas, explaining the reason for the drop off.

But then goes on to say coach and club mutually parted ways immediately. Why would you get rid of a proven coach like Moyle after 1 season when you have just explained what happened? When a coach declines to finish the last round you can guarantee its not very mutual.

Wanny South is horribly underachieving club. The coaching revolving door is starting with them. Each year we hear about all their recruits and they are happy to tell you how good they are going to go.

You compare them to Bayswater, who thumped them on the weekend. WS have a bigger following, more resources and much stronger juniors. But Bayswater have backed in their coach, they have a young side and they are willing to make hard calls on older players who don't fit in the way the coach and club wants to go.
 
adock said:
So their football manager is quoted in an article saying the reason for the 2nd half slump is 16 players went overseas, explaining the reason for the drop off.

But then goes on to say coach and club mutually parted ways immediately. Why would you get rid of a proven coach like Moyle after 1 season when you have just explained what happened? When a coach declines to finish the last round you can guarantee its not very mutual.

Wanny South is horribly underachieving club. The coaching revolving door is starting with them. Each year we hear about all their recruits and they are happy to tell you how good they are going to go.

You compare them to Bayswater, who thumped them on the weekend. WS have a bigger following, more resources and much stronger juniors. But Bayswater have backed in their coach, they have a young side and they are willing to make hard calls on older players who don't fit in the way the coach and club wants to go.
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Couldn’t agree more Adcock. When Moyle was appointed he was much vaunted and the appointment was made with an approach that basically stated Premier Division here we come. The club has juniors in prolific numbers, sponsorship and lots of resources and when you look at it very fortunate they are not in the relegation zone. Interesting to note a former coach in Matt Clark is highly likely to coach Boronia to a second premiership under his reign and the club moved him on too. They have appointed high profile coaches in recent times with no success. Something needs to change as they are going nowhere.
 

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adock said:
So their football manager is quoted in an article saying the reason for the 2nd half slump is 16 players went overseas, explaining the reason for the drop off.

But then goes on to say coach and club mutually parted ways immediately. Why would you get rid of a proven coach like Moyle after 1 season when you have just explained what happened? When a coach declines to finish the last round you can guarantee its not very mutual.

Wanny South is horribly underachieving club. The coaching revolving door is starting with them. Each year we hear about all their recruits and they are happy to tell you how good they are going to go.

You compare them to Bayswater, who thumped them on the weekend. WS have a bigger following, more resources and much stronger juniors. But Bayswater have backed in their coach, they have a young side and they are willing to make hard calls on older players who don't fit in the way the coach and club wants to go.
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Pretty clearly sacked but they're just saying the right things publicly. No need for them to kick him on the way out.

I wouldn't say they're horribly underachieving. They definitely would've aimed for finals this year. They're gonna miss that by a couple of games, yes they've underachieved but I wouldn't say they're miles below where they should be. It's a very, very competitive league.
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
Heard today that Moyle’s cards were not marked and he did very much leave of his own choice. Found them “uncoachable” and the senior players have far too much power at the club.

Who knows, you never get both sides of the story. Not first hand information.
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Had too many players more interested in playing in 2s flags and sitting on the man made couch grandstand, sinking cans and abusing the opposition during the 1s. Asked multiple times from leaders at the club to address the culture and got nowhere. Was told by the club that they werent sure he was the right coach for them going forward.
 
Had an in principle agreement to take the job at Bayswater, Wanny Sth swooped in with an offer at the 11th hour, He jumped at the extra coin.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
It wasn't so long ago that there were actually penalties for not fielding an U19s team - it was the rule not the exception and a critical part of the fixture (three games on same day). Wonder what happened
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It was also a requirement to have a U18 team when entering the League but that was overlooked. There are a plethora of explanations for why some clubs have U19s and some don't. Was going from U18 to U19 the instigator in teams struggling to field a U19 team or everyone was struggling to field a U18 team and this brought the issue along quicker? In saying that a lot has changed from U18 Colt days with attitude and commitment to playing football.
 

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It screws up the fixture but also affects reserves as all the club’s talented U19s play reserves. Not uncommon for the clubs without U19s to do very well in the reserves for this reason.

I know it’s hard in some areas but you see successful, large clubs with juniors like Boronia and Ringwood without U19s and you wonder how much work is really being put into getting a side up.

“Times have changed” sure but it was never easy. You always had to work and work and work over summer to get a team up. I wonder how much of it is clubs just giving up and thinking they’re wasting their time and effort.
 
eflreceiver said:
East Burwood fielding an U19 team in 2024 has announced Aaron Smith as the U19's Coach.
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A great decision by East Burwood and being involved at Vermont U19,s this season I have heard .Can drag a few of the Vermont boys across where Vermont only end up with 1 team and East Burwood a team as well.
 
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eflreceiver said:
It was also a requirement to have a U18 team when entering the League but that was overlooked. There are a plethora of explanations for why some clubs have U19s and some don't. Was going from U18 to U19 the instigator in teams struggling to field a U19 team or everyone was struggling to field a U18 team and this brought the issue along quicker? In saying that a lot has changed from U18 Colt days with attitude and commitment to playing football.
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The move from u18 to u19 just kicked the problem a couple of years down the road. Teams were struggling to field u18s so they extended it to u19s, but a few short years later they were struggling to field u19s anyway because the root issues of player retention weren't actually addressed.
 
Bowlers Name said:
The move from u18 to u19 just kicked the problem a couple of years down the road. Teams were struggling to field u18s so they extended it to u19s, but a few short years later they were struggling to field u19s anyway because the root issues of player retention weren't actually addressed.
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which I would suggest largely sits with giving kids approproate game time in the junior years. The junior coach who is desperate to win a grand final and torches kids along the way is a great danger to any club and the game in general. Kids want to play and feel a part of it. The winning is actually not that important (and you can achieve both)
 
adock said:
Really surprised there was no team this year. Hadn't realised. Your 19s had been really strong last couple of years.
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They were about 7 players short. Those players that went to an agreed club are now coming back with the U17s coming up will not be an issue for 2024/5. Hopefully, with more Junior teams this is sustainable.
 
Add Silvan to list of clubs looking for a coach with Trent Martin standing down.

Also heard on the weekend that Warrandyte had parted with their coach but cant see anything official as yet.
 
Just thought I would throw this in here. We had a few comments regarding coaching departures Well Moorabbin Kangaroos sacked their coach 48 hours before the Preliminary. President Muhammad Kiki says there was “nothing personal” behind the sacking of senior coach Steve Ralph. Like o_O
 
adock said:
Really surprised there was no team this year. Hadn't realised. Your 19s had been really strong last couple of years.
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The big issue was the change to U17.5. A lot of kids who normally would have gone up to U19 were able to play another year, so hardly any went up.
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
The big issue was the change to U17.5. A lot of kids who normally would have gone up to U19 were able to play another year, so hardly any went up.
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Now that juniors is U17.5, I have wondered if they might as well just make it U18 - then make the senior thirds U21 or U22 or something, a real development grade.

18 is a pretty good age to cut over from juniors to seniors I think - the kids can drive themselves and there’s alcohol around a senior club.
 
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