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[Crippa#9]

The AFL at the moment are a disaster. Dillon & Kane are the worst I have seen.

I'm not one to bash the AFL but hard to disagree.

The robotic, lawyerish tone they both give off just doesn't resonate with the average fan - mostly just political jargon.
Gil had his flaws but at least he could speak and deliver his views in a human, engaging manner.

When questioned on NGA/Father-son's, the stubborn dismissiveness & distinct virtue signalling from Kane's recent SEN interview a couple of weeks back was embarrassing...and alarming.

 

[BlueJet]

Genuine question.

TDK struggled against the man mountain type rucks. How does he strategise and play these types to effect?

He needs to add some mongrel, which I'm sure will come as he gains some size/confidence.
Blokes getting the air knocked out of them don't tend to feel so good about blocking your run.
He can also change his approach angle to factor in his opponents positioning.

 

[Soapy V]

I'm not one to bash the AFL but hard to disagree.

The robotic, lawyerish tone they both give off just doesn't resonate with the average fan - mostly just political jargon.
Gil had his flaws but at least he could speak and deliver his views in a human, engaging manner.

When questioned on NGA/Father-son's, the stubborn dismissiveness & distinct virtue signalling from Kane's recent SEN interview a couple of weeks back was embarrassing...and alarming.

100%

I just find them very reactionary and confusing. It's like there is no plan and things are done on the fly. Then they become defensive which always happens when you have no clear path

IMO they aren't up to it

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The analysis from White is good and it pisses me off the Kruz wasn’t able to see this or coach it during the game, Briggs is a real good player and a strong man.

I get the frustration with the ruck rule and i was surprised with your posting of the rule, it seemed outdated as i thought that rule was changed this year to allow exactly what many are complaining about, that a ruck can use their strength to hold off an opponent, asa long as they contest the ball.

I do get frustrated though, with the complaint about the treatment of TDK in the ruck, instead of criticism of TDK for not adapting and pushing the boundaries himself. If the rule or the umpires allow this, then our players and coaches need to train for this.

I think it’s a great rule change. It’s seems stupid that a player couldn’t contest for a ball by using their strength

 

[BlueJet]

Re: Kane/Dillon
The problem I find is that there's a degree of smug know-it-all to them which is partnered with a transparent element of "please don't sue us".
They're both probably a bit junior for the positions they hold so there's definitely going to be some teething, we can only hope their speed to competency is rapid or that moves are made to minimise disruption.

 

[BlueJet]

The analysis from White is good and it pisses me off the Kruz wasn’t able to see this or coach it during the game, Briggs is a real good player and a strong man.

I get the frustration with the ruck rule and i was surprised with your posting of the rule, it seemed outdated as i thought that rule was changed this year to allow exactly what many are complaining about, that a ruck can use their strength to hold off an opponent, asa long as they contest the ball.

I do get frustrated though, with the complaint about the treatment of TDK in the ruck, instead of criticism of TDK for not adapting and pushing the boundaries himself. If the rule or the umpires allow this, then our players and coaches need to train for this.

Well said mate.
If a Briggs gets to the fall of the ball first & can hold off his opponent using his strength, it's essentially what fans love about Charlie in a 1v1.

 

[DangerousD]

Without knowing all of the circumstances, I would question the toughness of someone that refuses to move interstate.

Saying id prefer to stay in Vic and i dont think an interstate team would get the best out of me, isn’t refusing to move interstate.

If someone asked my preference, it would be to stay in VIC as well.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Do we reckon Cowan could train as a midfielder in the off season if we went after a Travaglia type in the draft? Remember a game from earlier in the season where he played the 2nd half in the VFL on ball and was scintillating. Could be the Trent Rivers

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type we're after?

Mcgovern Weitering Travaglia
Saad ????? Newman
Acres Cripps Binns/Ollie
Fogarty Mckay E.Hollands
Williams Curnow ?????
Dekoning Walsh Cowan

Motlop Cerra Docherty Boyd

I'd be pretty excited with that midfield mix if that switch worked out. Cow is a beast defensively and has good acceleration. Can't help but think he's not quite as effective down back at AFL level as he was in his junior years. He was prolific as an interceptor in his 18s year.

Question marks still on the 2nd KPD spot and the battle for that forward pocket role. Would love to get our hands on Joe Berry in the draft too somehow, think Travaglia and Berry in one go would be a bit too difficult to pull off in a single off season without some players departing though.

 

[DangerousD]

I think it’s a great rule change. It’s seems stupid that a player couldn’t contest for a ball by using their strength

I like it too, i just want to see TDK vary his approach to the stronger type rucks, go body on body, change angles, club with his knees, polish his elbows, try to actually run around the opposition ruck, I’m not sure, just do something different.

 

[Wickzki]

Could that be * culture…..

No. Arr0w is spot on in his post yesterday.

His BS started before he was even drafted and I don't buy that he did it solely to get to *.

 

[carlton_99]

Do we reckon Cowan could train as a midfielder in the off season if we went after a Travaglia type in the draft? Remember a game from earlier in the season where he played the 2nd half in the VFL on ball and was scintillating. Could be the Trent Rivers type we're after?

Mcgovern Weitering Travaglia
Saad ????? Newman
Acres Cripps Binns/Ollie
Fogarty Mckay E.Hollands
Williams Curnow ?????
Dekoning Walsh Cowan

Motlop Cerra Docherty Boyd

I'd be pretty excited with that midfield mix if that switch worked out. Cow is a beast defensively and has good acceleration. Can't help but think he's not quite as effective down back at AFL level as he was in his junior years. He was prolific as an interceptor in his 18s year.

Question marks still on the 2nd KPD spot and the battle for that forward pocket role. Would love to get our hands on Joe Berry in the draft too somehow, think Travaglia and Berry in one go would be a bit too difficult to pull off in a single off season without some players departing though.

Loved Cowan playing on Miers from memory in the Cats game and followed him to stoppages around the ground. Was really impressive

 

[Wickzki]

Possibly but with young talented players I look at like I did with Elijah last year.

Poor environment, lack of opportunity, playing wrong role can really make a big difference.

The question must be with all these players that if we recruit them, do they have upside and can we get the best out of them?

I am biased when it comes to Lij but it's a very different case:

1. Elijah was happy to be drafted to the Suns. He willingly moved up there.

2. Was welcomed with open arms by teammates and was well liked by important members of the playing group.

3. Consistently did what was asked of him but was misused and treated poorly by the coaches.

When the trade was made my Suns contact straight up told me that it was going to be an absolute steal for us and that he was excited to see him "take off" for us.

I wasn't even concerned with the off field indiscretion (there was more to it that hasn't been published).

If it's just a player in the wrong environment then sure but when that wrong environment begins before a player is even drafted as it is here then maybe the issue isn't the club (as much as we hate *).

 

[Soapy V]

Do we reckon Cowan could train as a midfielder in the off season if we went after a Travaglia type in the draft? Remember a game from earlier in the season where he played the 2nd half in the VFL on ball and was scintillating. Could be the Trent Rivers type we're after?

Bloody Oath

Just depends on who we recruit and draft

 

[Wickzki]

Just on our list, I find it interesting that people are openly critical of weaknesses of some of our players, yet struggle to accept the weaknesses of other players

Every single player on our list (every player in the league) has deficiencies in their game

It's why it's so important to find the right mix to build a cohesive unit

Stuck in the 2002-2020ish mindset that the grass is greener on the other side.

 

[Soapy V]

I am biased when it comes to Lij but it's a very different case:

1. Elijah was happy to be drafted to the Suns. He willingly moved up there.

2. Was welcomed with open arms by teammates and was well liked by important members of the playing group.

3. Consistently did what was asked of him but was misused and treated poorly by the coaches.

When the trade was made my Suns contact straight up told me that it was going to be an absolute steal for us and that he was excited to see him "take off" for us.

I wasn't even concerned with the off field indiscretion (there was more to it that hasn't been published).

If it's just a player in the wrong environment then sure but when that wrong environment begins before a player is even drafted as it is here then maybe the issue isn't the club (as much as we hate *).

Fair points but I don't judge 18 year olds too harshly. Still kids and everyone has a journey to get better

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Do we reckon Cowan could train as a midfielder in the off season if we went after a Travaglia type in the draft? Remember a game from earlier in the season where he played the 2nd half in the VFL on ball and was scintillating. Could be the Trent Rivers type we're after?

Mcgovern Weitering Travaglia
Saad ????? Newman
Acres Cripps Binns/Ollie
Fogarty Mckay E.Hollands
Williams Curnow ?????
Dekoning Walsh Cowan

Motlop Cerra Docherty Boyd

I'd be pretty excited with that midfield mix if that switch worked out. Cow is a beast defensively and has good acceleration. Can't help but think he's not quite as effective down back at AFL level as he was in his junior years. He was prolific as an interceptor in his 18s year.

Question marks still on the 2nd KPD spot and the battle for that forward pocket role. Would love to get our hands on Joe Berry in the draft too somehow, think Travaglia and Berry in one go would be a bit too difficult to pull off in a single off season without some players departing though.

I’d start mixing him through there now tbh mate

 

[Wickzki]

Fair points but I don't judge 18 year olds too harshly. Still kids and everyone has a journey to get better

That's fair too but I like to see mental or emotional growth in a player to help guide my mind.

I don't think there's been sufficient tangible growth there to warrant the change of opinion .Admittedly, part of that will be the environment that they're in but those early red flags have a habit of sticking long-term when they're not rectified soon after drafting.

Regardless, I hope he succeeds if he leaves * whether it's to us or elsewhere

 

[Soapy V]

That's fair too but I like to see mental or emotional growth in a player to help guide my mind.

I don't think there's been sufficient tangible growth there to warrant the change of opinion .Admittedly, part of that will be the environment that they're in but those early red flags have a habit of sticking long-term when they're not rectified soon after drafting.

Regardless, I hope he succeeds if he leaves * whether it's to us or elsewhere

Exactly. I don't know him at all. I just think judging a kid on what he said is a bit naive and ignorant. If we did that with everyone no one would get a chance

Anyway, it was just a name brought up by someone in conversation. Time will tell what happens with him but I don't think it will be with us

 

[Wickzki]

Do we reckon Cowan could train as a midfielder in the off season

I appreciate the thought process on this one. I believe we have a 250 game defender in Cowan. Love his mental make up as a defender who pushes through the midfield. If he can keep working on his disposal and creativity he could become that playmaker off of half back that I feel we desperately need (and will increasingly need as Saad ages out). Combine that with the upside of the Campo twins and Boyd, development of Wilson, etc. and it'll give us vastly different look down back just as we need it.

 

[Blue Pulse]

100%. The Hawks were the masters of blending skillsets to achieve the desired mix during their run of success.
I'm probably more open than most to trading out existing players to find a balance between inside muscle/ outside run & attack/defence than most for this reason.

They are doing it again, elite ball users in the back half and a hard running skilful midfield with a mix of fast annoying small forwards

 

[Stamos]

For what it’s worth, Riley Beveridge said he now expects Martin to leave on Gettable.
Freo one club interested.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

For what it’s worth, Riley Beveridge said he now expects Martin to leave on Gettable.
Freo one club interested.

Not going to lose any sleep over this. Need some more durability across the squad.

 

[Stamos]

Not going to lose any sleep over this. Need some more durability across the squad.

Incredible talent, just hasn’t worked out.
Hopefully we can get something usable for him.

 

[Soapy V]

Incredible talent, just hasn’t worked out.
Hopefully we can get something usable for him.

Be nice but I'd be surprised. Trades for injury prone or borderline players has really dropped in recent years.

I reckon we will delist him and a club may give him a pre season to see if he can stand up. Unfortunately, I think that's his best chance

 

[marleyblue]

The best thing we can hope from Martin is an injury-free run in the finals.

If I was Freo, I'd start the discussion on what we gave up for Acres (3rd rounder) and then walk it back on age and durability - a late pick, some cap space and a list spot is the best we can expect.