List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Soapy V]

I don't think Durdin is up to it.

Williams is 50/50 game style and his decision making is poor.

You maybe right.

I just don’t think the way we play helps anyone especially our forwards

 

[macky99]

Can they not get near it because they aren’t up to it or game style doesn’t allow it?

l would not blame the game style as a reason for Corey Durdin, he has been carried and is a non contributor, our small forwards are simply not at the level required.
Williams came on a big contract, l don't see him getting any better now.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Weitering
Cripps
Harry
Charlie
Williams
Tdk

Carlton love paying players a ton of coin leaving not as much to spread evenly for others.

You’ve raise the Hawks. I can’t find a player on their list that would be commanding a million plus.

Until Carlton get a much more even spread of players paid, we will continue to see not a consistent playing group.

Talk of players taking less sounds great an all but if they really want to take less and want a premiership, players need to drop from 1 million down to around 600-700k so we can add better players.

Let’s be honest, getting paid 600k a year is plenty. Taking a million especially when there’s 6 or 7 in a playing list close to that only impacts having a champion team, rather than a team of champions

They are paying about the same amount for their side as we anre and I guarantee you, you wouldn’t have taken their list over ours at the start of last season.
Geelong, Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond and West Coast all have very high paid top end players and they won a flag by doing it. I don’t think the answer to winning a premiership is letting Weitering and TDK walk at the end of next season.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

They are paying about the same amount for their side as we anre and I guarantee you, you wouldn’t have taken their list over ours at the start of last season.
Geelong, Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond and West Coast all have very high paid top end players and they won a flag by doing it. I don’t think the answer to winning a premiership is letting Weitering and TDK walk at the end of next season.

Never said let Weitering and TDK walk

 

[BluStreak]

Dangerfield is still going strong as a bull mid. I think Cripps needs to model his game more on Dangers than what he is doing.
Too often Cripps is positioned to receive the tap and he is not moving through the tap zone. This is allowing his defender to scrag him constantly because he is not moving at speed to the ball.

I love what Cripps is doing for our team and this is not a knock just believe that he could be less banged up trying this technique.

 

[Accidental genius]

Weitering
Cripps
Harry
Charlie
Williams
Tdk

Carlton love paying players a ton of coin leaving not as much to spread evenly for others.

You’ve raise the Hawks. I can’t find a player on their list that would be commanding a million plus.

Until Carlton get a much more even spread of players paid, we will continue to see not a consistent playing group.

Talk of players taking less sounds great an all but if they really want to take less and want a premiership, players need to drop from 1 million down to around 600-700k so we can add better players.

Let’s be honest, getting paid 600k a year is plenty. Taking a million especially when there’s 6 or 7 in a playing list close to that only impacts having a champion team, rather than a team of champions

This

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Never said let Weitering and TDK walk

They aren’t staying if we don’t pay them. They’ll take unders and still be at or very close to million dollar players

 

[BlueLocke]

Please don’t recruit any more small forwards who have the running capacities of 90’s full-forwards.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

They aren’t staying if we don’t pay them. They’ll take unders and still be at or very close to million dollar players

And that’s where the problem lays

 

[TENACIOUS]

As per usual, most people in here think you can secure trades for chump change.

The Curnow McKay tandem needs to be broken up. It’s clear in the current era two key forwards aren’t required to win a premiership; and playing it safe is guaranteed to repeat mistakes of the past.

Don’t see the need in trading out any of our core 6 players…

Trading a combination of:
Kennedy, Cerra, Owies, Motlop, Kemp, Pittonet, Durdin, Carroll, Cottrell or Williams

Would give us the pick currency to target positions of need both through trade and draft…

 

[dragonsblues]

Lots of criticism of Nick Austin but again, I rate him.

He has found us Boyd, Cincotta and Lord for nothing.

Got E Hollands for little. Acres for little.

If we aren’t doing a full rebuild, we are going to need Austin’s instincts to find us role players on the cheap.

Problem is that SOS built this list for an outdated style of football and non of his silk/fast players worked out - Martin, Fisher, SPS etc.

We need one more reliable key back, two good small forwards and pace.

Mini miracle needed

 

[dragonsblues]

Don’t see the need in trading out any of our core 6 players…

Trading a combination of:
Kennedy, Cerra, Owies, Motlop, Kemp, Pittonet, Durdin, Carroll, Cottrell or Williams

Would give us the pick currency to target positions of need both through trade and draft…

You’re sort of making their point.

What do you think you are getting for those players and what do you think you’re turning them into?

 

[HarryFlashman]

We are in for some serious hurt on TDKs contract.
He will want $1m+ & you can’t begrudge him that as he will easily be worth that and more on the open market.
It does not bode well for us when we have so much $ tied up in Weiters, Crippa, Charlie, H, Walsh & TDK.
Not saying they aren’t worth it just that it’s very top heavy.

 

[bradfisher14]

Having a cursory glance at our list and I would be happy to make 10+ changes without blinking. I know there's zero chance of it happening, but we either need to pivot this list toward the current way of playing or lobby the AFL to change the rules of the game to suit us. There are some players that I want to trade, but they are contracted/at their lowest value and I would like to see how they look under a new fitness regime. Here's where my head is at currently:

7. Kennedy	TRADE - We have too many slow inside mid types. Kennedy is the most valuable while also being the most expendable. Ben Campo replaces him in the depth chart.
16. Carroll	TRADE - Send him to West Coast for some points. Lord has shown enough to suggest he can replace his spot.
21. Martin	TRADE - Freo are interested, get some more points or delist. Moir has shown enough, Silvagni back from injury too.
22. Marchbank	DELIST/RETIRE - Haynes replaces him.
27. Pittonet	TRADE - Surely someone needs a back up ruckman? He can be replaced by literally anyone on this year's ruck merry-go-round. Ladhams? Soldo? I really couldn't care less.
28. Cuningham	DELIST - Apparently we're interested in Datolli in the draft.
32. M. Carroll	DELIST - He's shown that his body can't stand up to training. Hasn't made one VFL appearance. I'd rather use a rookie spot to take a gamble on a quick small forward or we could move Fantasia to this rookie spot.
38. Durdin	DELIST - The new McCartin could replace him.
41. Akuei	DELIST - Hopefully we can pre-list Lucas Campo in this rookie spot.
44. Owies	TRADE - OOC and has value. Hopefully we can get a 2nd rounder for him. Take Berry with our first rounder to replace him.
45. Mirkov	DELIST - Sadly hasn't worked out for reasons outside of his control. Showed a bit toward the back end of the VFL season, but he's still coming from too far back IMO. Opens up a rookie spot for Duffy.

 

[TENACIOUS]

You’re sort of making their point.

What do you think you are getting for those players and what do you think you’re turning them into?

Already said positions of need in original post…

Mid/Late First - Cerra
Late First/ Early Second - Kennedy & Kemp
Second - Owies & Pittonet (Inflated due to league shortage)
Early Third - Williams & Cottrell
Third - Motlop & Carroll
Fourth - Durdin

 

[M_I_G]

SDK not getting picked this week
Could we get him?
Plays def and back up ruck
Kemp rolls back to def to cover when SDK is doing ruck work..
crazy?

 

[Michael Jezz]

For what it's worth and should be taken with a grain of salt but told Carroll definitely off to the Eagles and we're interested in Liam Ryan.

Liam Ryan is no good. An injury prone highlight reel. Reputation exceeds output

 

[carlton_99]

Liam Ryan is no good. An injury prone highlight reel. Reputation exceeds output

Injuries a major issue ofc but there was a time there when he was close to a top 10 player in the comp imo

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

We have a need for speed! We need fast, high pressure half forwards who can get involved in transition and pressure when the ball hits thr deck.

I found it alarming last night when we had the ball in defence and you'd get the whole ground view. Everyone was just standing still and bunching up.

You watch hawthorn and they are constantly on the move all over the ground. Every single player doesn't stop running to space. This opens up gaps and holes for short options. It also spreads and confuses the defence.

Either/or of the following possibilities are happening - our gameplan is outdated (no good teams rely on the kick long down the line) or we simply don't have the cattle to be able to sustain that kind of running.

We should look to recruit from Ridgemont High

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Liam Ryan is no good. An injury prone highlight reel. Reputation exceeds output

If so we are only going back to the same flipping well again.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I would respect the club if it came out and said, off the bat we are in rebuild mode, rather than sugar coat things

 

[Accidental genius]

l don't see that he is quick, we need genuine line breaking speed with good skills.

On the outside yes but we still need a terrier for the in and under stuff…like libba

Lord is no libba but he’s best we have in that regard and he’s still young so scope for improvement.

On the outside it would be good to have a power/burst with a good kick.

A big part of our issues is how we pass into f50…fixing that would make us instantly better.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Do we need to go down the mature bodied acquisition path while Voss is at the helm? There’s enough evidence to suggest draftees won’t be getting games (other than Cowan and Ollie). Spending our primo picks on the Houston types is probably more beneficial than what we see with your Binns types.

Drafting smaller bodied players is a waste anyway unless they are highly skilled - binns types shouldn't be picked up through drafting you know he is three to four years off when you draft him. We have had to many of his body type through this rebuild - Dow sps fish obrien fin and more -- it's a physically demanding game the number of slight fragile built players that make it is few .

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

And that’s where the problem lays

I don’t see the problem then. You either want the star players to stay and pay them or you want them to walk.
What successful side has ever not paid their stars? Weitering and TDK will take unders to stay but like every successful side in the past you still have to pay them somewhat close to what they are worth.

If you don’t want too many million dollar players then you let TDK and Weitering walk. Or trade Cripps, Walsh, McKay, Curnow types. You can’t just pay them even less because they are already taking less then they could otherwise get

 

[Jimmyonesix]

McDonald from Melbourne good enough for our 2nd KPD - is Tomlinson big enough