List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[mochacinolatte]

Not sure what’s happening with Boyd this season, he seems to have lost alot of his line breaking run and carry. Wether he’s not quiet as fit or a little heavier? Looks have lost that little bit of bite out of his run. Maybe it’s coach instruction to lock down more.
If he’s been told to lock down more, then imo I’d change that and release him. Tell him when possible take the game on and break it open. Hopefully there not holding him back from playing his natural way.

Pretty sure he has been injured in the past month or 2 and we playing him out of desperation.

 

[myblueroan]

I agree. To the layman's eye our forward craft won't be solved merely by better kicking inside 50. Particularly when we set up front and centre for long bombs which effectively blocks leading lanes.

The worst of it is, it hasn't been corrected and so we've seen so many games where H and Charlie were completely under utilised.

 

[Revenant1995]

I like both the Haynes and Houston rumours. Haynes makes sense for the now (replacing Marchbank and S.Durdin and backup for Gov), and filling gap for Gen next (hopefully through the draft). Houston I like for what he brings, as long as we don’t overpay and compromise the future.

 

[Juice030103]

Houston's kicking kinda reminds me of Doc at his prime...

a massive get if we can get it done.

Houston is a lot like doc. Could see him transitioning into a on Baller or wing if need be. Beautiful kick would easily be our best

 

[Soapy V]

Form a List point of view, what is better? (Hypotheticals)

Houston for 1st and 2nd round pick and $800k over 5 years

or

Pick 10 in draft
Trade 2nd round pick for say Garcia and get picks back
Extra money in SC for FA next year
Not having to trade/move as many picks for Campo twins

*Haynes will be done regardless

 

[mochacinolatte]

Form a List point of view, what is better? (Hypotheticals)

Houston for 1st and 2nd round pick and $800k over 5 years

or

Pick 10 in draft
Trade 2nd round pick for say Garcia and get picks back
Extra money in SC for FA next year
Not having to trade/move as many picks for Campo twins

*Haynes will be done regardless

Unless there a stand-out prospect I prefer Houston. We don't have many quality HB coming through (Cowan looking nice).

But we do have shocking record in recruiting quality players with a big contract.

McGovern, Martin, Williams and more less Cerra (this year)

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Imo, I honestly don’t think we need Houston(I mean obviously a great player and would certainly be handy) but I feel it would be more beneficial for where we at now to be really targeting key position defenders and a few quick small/medium mid/forwards.
I get where everyone is coming from tho in acquiring Houston.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Worth the risk then, in you opinion.

I don't think we have any choice really as would seem he have committed them. For not too much draft capital - and the feel good story - they may be worth the risk.

Ben definitely get's lots of the ball and tough in close so maybe an Andrew Carrazo type - not great skills but a goer.

 

[Soapy V]

Unless there a stand-out prospect I prefer Houston. We don't have many quality HB coming through (Cowan looking nice).

100% disagree

Cowan Ollie Boyd Wilson Cincotta Campo on top of Saad Newman & Docherty. On a list that is heaps

 

[Chookaradley]

I like both the Haynes and Houston rumours. Haynes makes sense for the now (replacing Marchbank and S.Durdin and backup for Gov), and filling gap for Gen next (hopefully through the draft). Houston I like for what he brings, as long as we don’t overpay and compromise the future.

Yes but who is the second key back to partner up with Weitering. Is it Kemp?. Is he our best 3rd forward option?. Haynes or Houston as you rightfully point out can replace our 3rd and 4th defender, but aren't key backs.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Yes but who is the second key back to partner up with Weitering. Is it Kemp?. Is he our best 3rd forward option?. Haynes or Houston as you rightfully point out can replace our 3rd and 4th defender, but aren't key backs.

Or is it Harry…..

 

[BlueJet]

If any of our forwards went back, it'd probably be Charlie.
Better recovery & plays more of a 360 degree game.

 

[chipzac]

Form a List point of view, what is better? (Hypotheticals)

Houston for 1st and 2nd round pick and $800k over 5 years

or

Pick 10 in draft
Trade 2nd round pick for say Garcia and get picks back
Extra money in SC for FA next year
Not having to trade/move as many picks for Campo twins

*Haynes will be done regardless

For me, it's a no brainer ... keep our 1st and 2nd round picks as two high picks in the draft are far better than just one 28 year old HBF. Our recruiters should be able to draft 2 top prospects who are also good kicks.

 

[Crippa#9]

I’d give up 10 for a Houston and Josh Sinn combo.

I’d give up 10 and F2 for a Houston and Bergman combo.

Bergman is a rising star. Would be a great Docherty replacement. Plays very similar.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

If the club was shrewd we totally could have negotiated with Port that we’d allow them to use Peter O’Farrell for Houston’s tribunal defence in order to knock down the asking price.

 

[Revenant1995]

Yes but who is the second key back to partner up with Weitering. Is it Kemp?. Is he our best 3rd forward option?. Haynes or Houston as you rightfully point out can replace our 3rd and 4th defender, but aren't key backs.

It's a good question. I like a forward line built around H and Curnow as the chiefs, and Moir and Kemp as the sidekicks, and some good small (and Motlop and Durdin give us a good basis). Look good for next 6 years. Backs in 5 year's time...? Weitering and Cowan obviously, but Saad, McGovern, Docherty and Newman will most likely be gone. One would hope Young can step up (has shown real glimpses, but probably still on the fringes). So work to be done. I can see the sense in Houston, but hopefully we don't overpay. For me, defender depth will come from draft, smart trade/FA, and hopefully some internal growth.

 

[chipzac]

I like both the Haynes and Houston rumours. Haynes makes sense for the now (replacing Marchbank and S.Durdin and backup for Gov), and filling gap for Gen next (hopefully through the draft). Houston I like for what he brings, as long as we don’t overpay and compromise the future.

But that's exactly what we'll be doing

 

[SurreyBlue]

Form a List point of view, what is better? (Hypotheticals)

Houston for 1st and 2nd round pick and $800k over 5 years

or

Pick 10 in draft
Trade 2nd round pick for say Garcia and get picks back
Extra money in SC for FA next year
Not having to trade/move as many picks for Campo twins

*Haynes will be done regardless

Pick 10 option for me - every day of the week.

 

[majesticseacapt]

Yes but who is the second key back to partner up with Weitering. Is it Kemp?. Is he our best 3rd forward option?. Haynes or Houston as you rightfully point out can replace our 3rd and 4th defender, but aren't key backs.

I would expect Young to fill this role as a pure lockdown defender. If you provide him with more options to use by hand and better/experienced people and voices, he can focus on one on one contests and use a quick handball to Houston/Saad when he does find the pill.

We can't have superstars in every position, just need role players.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I think the moral to the story is that Lewis Young

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Lewis Young

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

is a viable lock down KPD when our midfield dominates clearances and thereby controls the flow of entry into our D50.

Bringing in Dan Houston

9

Dan Houston

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

enhances the above control.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

Port appealing the Houston tribunal case. #freedanhouston

 

[DangerousD]

Form a List point of view, what is better? (Hypotheticals)

Houston for 1st and 2nd round pick and $800k over 5 years

or

Pick 10 in draft
Trade 2nd round pick for say Garcia and get picks back
Extra money in SC for FA next year
Not having to trade/move as many picks for Campo twins

*Haynes will be done regardless

The length of contract isn’t a concern, if the LM decide its ok then I’m happy.

Houston is a known quantity, has over 160 games of evidence to go off, knows the coach, has friends at the club.

Pick 10 has never played AFL football, going off averages has roughly a 40-50% chance of not making the grade at all and if they do, its unclear of how long until they do.

If you can get Garcia for a 2nd with picks back, we can do that even if Houston comes.

We could get Houston imo for our 1st rounder this year and maybe something small extra, we get Haynes, we then have the opportunity to trade back in to the first round or early second to add more youth, we then take the two twins.

We would have addressed defensive needs, we would have improved our best 18 for the short and medium term and we haven’t neglected youth.

 

[BluStreak]

Second and third efforts sure, but that isn't applicable to defensive third only. So not sure why this is relevant to JSOS being in defence. Defensive pressure inside forward 50 is huge in the modern game.

He isn't the perfect size, he is 1.91m which would mean he would be the third tall at best and often find himself undersized. He would have to play intercept so would he take McGovern's spot? McGovern is probably a better user of the football and is quicker so not sure how this makes us better.

We have a best 22 medium forward spot availible due to Martin never being fit. If we can fit Mckay, Curnow and two rucks we can fit McKay, Curnow and JSOS.

Gov has very different attributes to JSOS, the main one being pace. McGovern is really quick off the mark.

If JSOS was closer to 200cm I would agree, fact is he isn't and we really don't have a burning need for medium defenders. We do have a need for a third tall forward who is consistent.

I don't think JSOS is a KPD defensive option, he isn't strong a big body that can wrestle and isn't tall.

I think we need to persist with L Young rather than throwing an undersized defender to the wolves as we have with Kemp this year.

Jack is 1.94m which puts him in the company of many Defenders currently playing. Jack 's body on body work is up there with May's (given his ruck work as an example) so I don't see any concern with him being trialled in Defense. His 2nd and 3rd efforts would improve our defense one on ones.

 

[bigm386]

Jack is 1.94m which puts him in the company of many Defenders currently playing. Jack 's body on body work is up there with May's (given his ruck work as an example) so I don't see any concern with him being trialled in Defense. His 2nd and 3rd efforts would improve our defense one on ones.

191cm on Blueseum regardless if its 191 or 194.

The fact of it for me is at his height and strength he won't be able to go with the bigger KPF and will get burnt for pace against those he can phyiscally match up against.

Not sure why we would do it when we don't have a third tall forward.

For context Kemp is listed as 1.92cm and was getting rinsed for weeks on bigger forwards.

 

[ferrisb]

The logic around JSOS playing back because his dad was a full back amazes me.

It's like saying Mia Fevola should play Full Forward because her dad did.

Spent chunks of his junior footy there, so it's not just nostalgia behind it.

He's hard working and a scrapper (meant as a compliment; he chases, tackles, scrounges at ground level etc). All qualities that would suit a 3rd defender. He's also not much of a contested mark, so might be better off spoiling rather than trying win the ball in the air.

I think he'd make an excellent defender IF NOT for the fact that his lack of speed would leave him exposed. Especially against 3rd tall types that should be quicker than the KPFs.