List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[tommy43]

A quality small forward who can milk a couple of high frees in front of goal a week would be nice.

 

[tommy43]

So trade our future pick 18, for current year 18 and 19

Like your thinking

Got zero inside info, but Noah Balta free agent next year. Maybe just looking at Haynes to hold the fort for a year and then make a big play at him?
Or maybe Jed Busslinger at dogs? I know he re-signed so clearly isn't home sick or desperate to get to WA, but could be another option. If not the current trade period but also 12 months time. Wouldn't want to play VFL every week and has now had a couple of years of development under his belt.
At the risk of bringing in another Marchy (talented kid who can't stay on the park), is Josh Gibcus worth a look at?

 

[tarczonandjane]

100%

Corey isn't a small forward. Play him in the midfield in the VFL and see what he can produce.

I thought it was notable in that West Coast game how far up the ground he was pushing. And he looked very comfortable in doing it.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Still don't understand why we delisted Martin. Especially if there is reportedly interest in him. If nothing else, the token picks may have given us some points in case bids come earlier than expected for the Campo boys.
It's not like we owe Martin any favours. If anything, he owes us. Poor Austin. Very very poor.

No club prepared to trade for Martin, so what were the options? Sign him up again for another year?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Still don't understand why we delisted Martin. Especially if there is reportedly interest in him. If nothing else, the token picks may have given us some points in case bids come earlier than expected for the Campo boys.
It's not like we owe Martin any favours. If anything, he owes us. Poor Austin. Very very poor.

Martin is worth Rhys Palmer compo, he’s as cooked as they come.


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[Jacks Seething Rage]

When was the last time we used a high value pick on a small forward?

Our first pick last year for a start.

Durdin was a high value pick

Motlop was a high value pick.

Williams is a significant chunk of coin.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Both Durdin and Motlop were in the 40’s, how is that high value?
They were the highest value of the draft picks we had in both drafts, is that what you mean?

Moir is not a small forward


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[Jacks Seething Rage]

Both Durdin and Motlop were in the 40’s, how is that high value?
They were the highest value of the draft picks we had in both drafts, is that what you mean?

Moir is not a small forward


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Try again

 

[DEliades]

If I was Austin, I’d be going hard for Frost from hawthorn. May get limited game time with Barass and Battle going there next year. Even a Serong or Phillips

 

[Soapy V]

Our first pick last year for a start.

Durdin was a high value pick

Motlop was a high value pick.

Williams is a significant chunk of coin.

Moir was Pick 29 and is 188cm. Not a small fwd

Durdin was Pick 37
Motlop was Pick 27
Williams was a FA and recruited to play midfield

Not sure I would classify any of these as "high value" picks

 

[DangerousD]

Ben Dickson highlighted that the AFL tweaked the rules around stoppages after round 10. They reduced the delay in restarting the game by about half. The timing roughly matches our decline and the surge of teams like Hawthorn, Brisbane and Bulldogs. They are all much quicker teams than Carlton, and were able to exploit the new gamestyle. Our lack of pace and our shocking run with injuries is what cruelled us. Maybe the coaching team was also slow to cotton on to what was such a major change in the game.

I thought we adjusted terribly to the new HTB interpretation, the other tweaks as you say could have made things worse.

 

[Soapy V]

I thought it was notable in that West Coast game how far up the ground he was pushing. And he looked very comfortable in doing it.

Durdin needs to get over his injury concerns. That's the first issue. Sounds like shoulder surgery which will again limit his pre season.

Hope he can get fit and at least do most of the pre season. If so, I hope it's in the middle.

Durdin has genuine leg speed, is a very good mark and good ball user. There is a bit of Liam Baker about him. I have no doubt if fit and used up the ground and even off HB he would do well.

IMO he is a smart footballer just not a natural small forward

 

[RAPPA]

Dylan Moore from the Hawks said he was a pure midfielder and had to learn his forward craft and now he’s one of the best.

Credits Luke Brest for his improvement. Maybe Corey needs some luck with injuries and a good mentor.

Having the equivalent of Breust and Gunston would be invaluable. We have neither in the forward line to provide the smart, craft and leadership.

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Moir was Pick 29 and is 188cm. Not a small fwd

Durdin was Pick 37
Motlop was Pick 27
Williams was a FA and recruited to play midfield

Not sure I would classify any of these as "high value" picks

It's largely semantics. Moir is there to generate goals and apply pressure...and certainly won't be deployed far from goal for a year or two.

It doesn't matter a jot where Williams was recruited to play. He's a high value forward pocket for the next two years or he's nothing.

I think most would agree early seconds are high value picks, Motlop, Durdin and Moir were our highest list priorities at draft for the year. Even Fog wasn't chump change.

It's a huge amount of resource to direct to the small forward role...partucularly in the context of where most quality small forwards are selected.

 

[DangerousD]

On very limited viewing Jai Serong looked ok last night, for any VFL watchers is he better than Young?

Is there any lower league players or players stuck in the 2s that we could target?

Other than Aleer who we’ve already discussed.

 

[Soapy V]

Our forward line has many question marks. Fitness will help

HF:...... McKay .........
F: Moir Charlie .......... plus ..........

The gaps need to be filled by smalls
Hopefully Williams has a full pre season
Fogarty or Cottrell can play a defensive role but is that enough?
Motlop is the one I still have hope for
Can the 7th person be a combo of Kemp/Cripps pushing through the midfield?
Do we rotate Walsh, Elijah, Cerra through here?

Durdin I want up the ground

We definitely need to add better options. Rosa, Kostanty are possibles. If Berry is as good as some suggest we seriously need to grab him at 11. It's a real need

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I’m worried about Williams. I know he was in and out this season with injuries and what not. But he looked sluggish to me and looked to struggle to run games out. Like a few, needs and hopefully gets a full pre season to really get up and going

 

[AB_Blue]

I’m worried about Williams. I know he was in and out this season with injuries and what not. But he looked sluggish to me and looked to struggle to run games out. Like a few, needs and hopefully gets a full pre season to really get up and going

He and Gov can’t stand up for a full season of AFL footy…notice how they are always flying through pre season but struggle to back up each week…

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I have no inside knowledge but just listening to the SEN this morning I think we will end up with Dan Houston

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Dan Houston

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

. Sam Edmund cited the 3-club trade between us sending Future 1st to Richmond for a first rounder this year then trading to Port for Houston as he said Port are desperate to get into this years draft. Some steak knives presumably also involved but you can see it working.

The more I think about this the more I'm all in. We need a big KPD but our other Achilles heel is ball movement from half-back. We have seen how damaging Saad is when operating at 100% but he seems to be slowing so Houston ready made replacement and allows us to bring Billy Wilson along in time.

Get speed on the ball out of the back line and all things start to fall into place up forward.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

He and Gov can’t stand up for a full season of AFL footy…notice how they are always flying through pre season but struggle to back up each week…

Yeah spot on. Next year will be a big year for those two for various reasons. I’m worried for them come the end of the year log they can’t find consistency in their bodies

 

[Blue_Fusion]

or you could blame the mids, Cripps aside, for going to water.... and delivering poorly - or not at all - inside 50.

There aren't many 30 a goal small forwards about... 33 goals ranked him #8 of the small forwards (and he dishes off a few too -15 goal assists this year).

And averages just shy of 3 tackles a game....

A few bloody harsh judges here me thinks.

I've been carrying on like a parrot lately about our midfield issues...

But low tackle and pressure numbers, low gbg numbers, low goals, low general impact in games... that's on the small forwards themselves...

Owies is the best of possibly one of the worst group of small forwards in the comp...

Having said that, we aren't going to let him go for nothing. If we can't pry a decent 2nd round pick for him, chances are we'll offer him another contract.

 

[AB_Blue]

Yeah spot on. Next year will be a big year for those two for various reasons. I’m worried for them come the end of the year log they can’t find consistency in their bodies

They definitely play within themselves in order to preserve their durability….its a real worry

 

[Y Goat]

IMO club needs to be unsentimental and quite aggressive to change the profile, now (this off-season), to a game style more based upon ‘Speed’ and ‘Precise ball use’ to mix it with the quick teams who will make up most of the final top 4 this year and ahead : Swans & GWS, Cats, plus Pies and Hawks also use a quick run spread style

High Pressure another key factor, but we have been good at that mostly (subject to availability of Fog types, injury, selection f*#% ups, etc)
- suggest we have no place for anyone who doesn’t apply heavy pressure including tackling. And no more playing underdone or significantly injured players

Hit this so-called High Quality draft hard with a couple of high picks (*re Houston), and this may require having to offer up a few decent role players who don’t fit the above need profile.

The above is the only way to get to the top and not be left behind by the above teams. Don’t Think relying on the ‘10-15% improvement from within will cut it. Ditto better run with injuries.

Campos, if to be taken would be great, but (if as reported not quick ) should not be placed before player-picks who fit the above characteristics

With the above said, we have some great assets, & opportunities to utilise or explore :

Ollie looked good on HBF - persist, upside
Corey looked good on HFF/middle - persist, upside (fix & rest shoulders. Kid can play)
Lord looked good in Mid - persist, must play
Binns looked good on Wing - persist, could be a good pairing with Acres on the other
Kemp looked good up Fwd - persist, teach develop


Tell Moir and Elijah to do the biggest pre season ever done (ditto Kemp who already seems fit to play out games) - try Moir and Kemp as 3rdTF (ie alternatively / cover/ 1-at-a-time) and teach them to be mobile and lead well out of H& C’s way, and sneak back into empty Goal square once they’ve led out, and so on : highly mobile role. Elijah the same out at high HFF
Elijah and Kemp also some mid rotations

JSOS join McGov train as 3rdTB Interceptors, (with Jack able to be general utility as a backup and put-out-fires role). Think Jack has great defensive instincts and ball reading so might go pretty well here too - think Sicily type reading & picking off entries.

Coaches need to embrace speed & creation of space for the above to work, and us to be a contender. May need a few specialist coaches into help vossy (ball movement, leading patterns)

There’s my rant. Hope we do most of this and contend next year.

(*re Houston: very good player: be opportunistic, but it’s a trade-off- if he falls toward us at a reasonable price which doesn’t jeopardise the above game style acquisition needs - say, using our future pick/s and what get for trade-outs, then you grab a player like that )

Now rant over

 

[Arr0w]

I have no inside knowledge but just listening to the SEN this morning I think we will end up with Dan Houston. Sam Edmund cited the 3-club trade between us sending Future 1st to Richmond for a first rounder this year then trading to Port for Houston as he said Port are desperate to get into this years draft. Some steak knives presumable also involved but you can see it working.

Very interesting

 

[Lukeblueboy]

They definitely play within themselves in order to preserve their durability….its a real worry

Add saady to that list ab.
You see he’s really conscious of not pinging the hammy. Very reluctant to go full noise imo