List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Blue_Fusion]

Who said they were on 500K? I’m just chiming in now so can’t be bothered going through pages

Soap threw a ball park range out of 3-4 mill including Williams.

I said 3 mill might not be far off the mark. For some reason, still keeps coming back to 4 mill

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Soap threw a ball park range out of 3-4 mill including Williams.

I said 3 mill might not be far off the mark. For some reason, still keeps coming back to 4 mill

Inflation.

 

[Arr0w]

Inflation.

"Facts matter"

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Off topic but watch the last 2 minutes of that Adelaide game (if you can stomach it).
Calamities everywhere.

The Owies debacle was directly after a dropped sitter for McKay.

Our stoppage setup which resulted in the Berry goal.

We then get an inside 50 where Charlie drops a pretty regulation uncontested mark for him.

Finally, last play of the game Walsh kicks a long ball to Corey Durdin with three of Adelaide’s tallest defenders standing next to him.

Absolute amateur hour.

Not to mention the disastrous effort from Kemp and Williams in the d50 a bit earlier which got the Crows going...

 

[TENACIOUS]

Konstanty for F3?
Rosas as DFA?
Berry with Pick 11?

F1 plus Owies for Houston

If we could add a KPD to that list and White and McMahon via rookie draft would be some off season…

Senior List
Houston < Martin
Rosas < Marchbank
Konstanty < Cuningham
KPD < Need to make a list spot
Berry < Need to make a list spot
Second Rounder < Need to make a list spot
Camporeale < Need to make a list spot
Camporeale < Need to make a list spot
Boyd < Need to make a list spot

Rookie List
McMahon < Mirkov
White < Need to make a list spot
Boyd < Lord

 

[Arr0w]

Okay, now that we all agree that our small forwards aren't on 500K, do we target a ready made KPD, or go to the draft

I think a KPD is a must at some stage this year

 

[BIuebagger]

Agree Arr0w. A KPD is as important an aquisition as the few small and half forwards we need. The problem is finding one that is good enough to pair with Weiters and is high enough quality for the best 23. Marchbank and probably Durdin as well in the near future getting the boot, means we need to find someone to come through the door this off season. I guess it’s why we were so upbeat about the Aleer link a month or so ago now

 

[Arr0w]

Agree Arr0w. A KPD is as important an aquisition as the few small and half forwards we need. The problem is finding one that is good enough to pair with Weiters and is high enough quality for the best 23. Marchbank and probably Durdin as well in the near future getting the boot, means we need to find someone to come through the door this off season. I guess it’s why we were so upbeat about the Aleer link a month or so ago now

Perhaps we could target a mature age UFA, like a MacDonald and still take one at the draft

It will be interesting to see how Austin massages the situation

 

[BIuebagger]

Perhaps we could target a mature age UFA, like a MacDonald and still take one at the draft

It will be interesting to see how Austin massages the situation

I think that would be the way to go.
I would love to maybe pick someone up to play FB, take the bigger forward and allow Weitering to move up the ground to CHB maybe, try and get him involved in more intercept marks. Can then be interchangeable with Gov or Kemp when down back. Despite his impressive year, it frees him up a little more

 

[Arr0w]

I think that would be the way to go.
I would love to maybe pick someone up to play FB, take the bigger forward and allow Weitering to move up the ground to CHB maybe, try and get him involved in more intercept marks. Can then be interchangeable with Gov or Kemp when down back. Despite his impressive year, it frees him up a little more

I agree, I do prefer Weitering on the 2nd tall. Young did reasonably well last couple of games, but no confidence he can remain consistent

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Apparently we've had a few meetings with a kid called Clancy Dennis from WA.

Not sure where he'll end up in the draft but is a KPD by trade so clearly the list teams having a look at filling that position too

 

[gbatman]

Very good reasoned post. Nice to see and read

Cheers.

Just to elaborate more on this for everyone so they understand these list management tactics.

Bottom teams like where we were, like where North have been and still are, like where Richmond are and are going.

Those clubs need to find players and they can grossly over pay. They need to meet there minimum player payments by overpaying mature quality players. NOT by increasing the salaries of their current young players on the list.

When your list is weak, overpaying for incoming players is actually good list management.

If you pay your young players 10% extra to meet your minimum total player payments. You will find you are paying them 10% extra in the future and for the rest of their careers. This is how player contracts get out of control. Player contracts rarely go down, they usually only go up. So you need to keep them as low as possible, with the knowledge they will be gradually going up, which keeps the player happy and the salary cap in control.

As a bottom club with a young list, you are better throwing big money around at trade period and overpaying to bring some good players in. It helps manage and keep in check the contracts of your long term prospects. It also is the only way to get good mature players into your club.

A club like our has a really poor reputation, we aren't a club that regularly plays in grand finals or premierships, there needs to be good reason to come here so if we want good players, particularly when we are on the bottom, we need to pay more. Front load the contracts, use them to meet the MPP.

We may have overpaid for guys like McGovern, Martin, Williams etc. deliberately and tactically for the betterment of the club's future salary cap. Because we did this, we have them and we were able to keep control over the contracts of our then young stars such as Cripps, Weitering, Curnow and McKay etc.

I don't think any of the players we overpaid for in the past would be on a great deal now. They would have been heavily front-loaded and that would have been used to manage other players contracts while meeting our MPP.

People get upset unnecessarily over something they don't understand. I am hoping people understand this now and get it.

Because we have managed our player salaries well, we find ourselves with a solid list that has made finals two years in a row, that has an extremely talented top end and we still have plenty of cap space to chase top line players.

What we do lack is trade/draft capital. Salary cap doesn't seem to be a problem at all.

 

[BIuebagger]

I agree, I do prefer Weitering on the 2nd tall. Young did reasonably well last couple of games, but no confidence he can remain consistent

100% agree. Hope it’s an identified need along side the revamp of small/half forwards we need to go through.

 

[Arr0w]

Apparently we've had a few meetings with a kid called Clancy Dennis from WA.

Not sure where he'll end up in the draft but is a KPD by trade so clearly the list teams having a look at filling that position too

Undersized for KPD at the next level, but still interesting

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Ridiculous how these discussions turn into a "he said" "she said" scenario......

 

[gbatman]

I think that would be the way to go.
I would love to maybe pick someone up to play FB, take the bigger forward and allow Weitering to move up the ground to CHB maybe, try and get him involved in more intercept marks. Can then be interchangeable with Gov or Kemp when down back. Despite his impressive year, it frees him up a little more

This really worked out well in the back end of this season. Young was good. Not sure we can go through a season and be happy with Young, but I am saying don't write him off. Young was better than Weitering in the final we got hammered in.

 

[Soapy V]

This really worked out well in the back end of this season. Young was good. Not sure we can go through a season and be happy with Young, but I am saying don't write him off. Young was better than Weitering in the final we got hammered in.

I find Young a real tease of a player. He will throw in a game where you think he can be more than handy. Then he plays games where he doesn’t even look interested. Frustrating

I find Pittonet a bit the same

 

[Earls Smother]

Again, why keep mentioning the 4mill when you quote my posts then?

Surely you can work out what's going on? Neither of them will reply directly to each other, but the rest of us have read this absolute shit. It's a complete joke and should be dealt with.

 

[Arr0w]

Think we are set for wingmen, Acres, Ollie, Binns, with cover from Doc and Cottrell

All determined and put their head over the pill

Half backs, probably our oldest line, Gov, Saad, Newman, need to focus on this area in time

 

[The Bighouse]

Is it? I listened to Paul Marsh the other day and he said avg now way over $400k base and bottom players on close to $300k. Draftees are different and staggered

Also, said that this number will really grow over next year or two

Think avg will be close to $550K within next year/s c/- Sam Edmund when discussing figures of Mac Andrew. Need to get used it, as every club will be able to afford this under the bulging S/C.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

I get it Soapy and Arrow don't play on the same swings! Maybe the acolytes are the ones who need to move on from pedantic discourse!?! BF that's you bro......

 

[The Bighouse]

Perhaps we could target a mature age UFA, like a MacDonald and still take one at the draft

It will be interesting to see how Austin massages the situation

McDonald has or is re-signing. Think he has already.

 

[Arr0w]

McDonald has or is re-signing. Think he has already.

Shame, hope we move on from S Durdin, seems his body is shot too

 

[Y Goat]

At face value it makes sense... but imo, the system we play and our midfield is what causes that poor ball movement from hb.

Unless Houston is going to be able to nail pin point passes (and I'm talking to team mates surrounded by opponents) over and over again, game after game for a whole season, we're going to get less of an improvement than we expect by adding him to our side.

Our biggest issue is our one dimensional, mostly one paced mid field and its reliance on Cripps. You would find that our ball movement from half back would improve tenfold if we change our midfield mix by adding players with leg speed, work rate (they're so stagnant and always flood the wing) and the ability to hit i50 targets more often than what the current crop can.

Cripps does the grunt work, dishes a handball off to:

Walsh - who (imo) under the new htb rule feels more pressured to dispose of it... so he either kicks forward blindly or rushes a hb to a team mate under pressure or gets caught htb.

Kennedy - cross your fingers he can hit an i50 target.

Hewett - a smart decision maker, but more often than not, he's not quick enough and when he doesn't have time his ball use suffers dramatically.

Cerra - hits an i50 target and pings his hammy.

And given they're pretty much one paced, they don't spread well enough to create options, they flood the wing (which imo is also due to instruction and work rate) and in turn, our ball use off half back looks like shit.

It is ultra reliant on Cripps and TDK (who pretty much plays as another mid)

Yep - think if we don’t overhaul the midfield (for pace& agility) this off season, we will slide out of top 8

 

[gbatman]

Onball group and small forwards are the biggest needs.

Fix that and we beat Brisbane and a whole heap of the other sides who beat us at the back half of this season.

Add Houston to halfback and a key position defender and Brisbane still torch us and we still limp into finals. Maybe we finish 5th instead of 8th.

Fix the onball and forward issues and we are top 4. Fixing the key position defender and adding HOuston does not make us top 4.

I am actually somewhat confident in Young holding down full back and our former AA half backs, Saad and Docherty doing well at half back, supported by up and comers in Hollands, Wilson, Cowan etc.

We just need to put feelers out there to fix all issues.