List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown

[wormy]

Hypothetical.

West Coast have picked.

Robey, CDT and Grlj are all still on the board.

Who would we take

 

[Ballin]

Jesus he really is pushing Taylor & Grlj to Richmond isnt he
Based on list needs , Surely he should know when drafting specially in the 2nd year of a rebuild you dont draft for needs but the best talent and when was the last time a HBF with speed or a HBF interceptor was drafted with picks #3 & #4 ?

Grlj is not a mid he is a HBF that should be selected #8+ and similar to Taylor
Inside / Outside mids or Fwd / Mids with special traits should be the focus with Richmond 2nd year rebuild

But our list profile shows we are in the 5th year of our rebuild .... these will be our 13th and 14th pick inside the Top 30, and our 7th and 8th Top 10 pick added to the list, in the last 5 years.

In the open pool of this years draft players ranked 4-16 are the same level - everyone from Sharp and Cumming through X Taylor to O Taylor have elite characteristics but also deficiencies in their game. In a strong draft pool none of this group would be taken Top10. Absolutely if there was a Smilie or a Jagga or a FOS in this draft available at Pick 3 you would take them (and there is ... their names are Duursma , Zeke, Patterson and Annabelle) But unless WCE take Robey and Sharp we ain't getting Duursma. So this year most of the first round will be taken on a needs basis.

Our need is speed and dynamic players that can rotate through the midfield while playing elsewhere

Grjl played the entire Coates talent league season as a midfielder averaging 20 possessions and 5 tackles (elite). He played HBF for Vic Metro(co-captsin) and RFC VFL. This versatility is a bonus not a negative.

X Taylor played 1 game in the Eastern Ranges midfield and looked good but was quickly forgotten as it was swallowed up by the Robey hype the following week when he took his spot in the midfield rotation.

With Taranto, Hopper, MacAuliffe and Smilie all inside midfielders what are you going to do? add more midfielders? You already see with Ross and Sonsie what happens when you take an inside mid and play them elsewhere - Meh

(Ross was sensational as a midfield tagger this year. How? Because he's a midflielder!)

With Robey and Cumming you have forward/mids but we already have that in Lalor and Hotton (and MRJ)

So I can understand completely if Grjl and XTaylor are top of our board as they both have elite characteristics and if the club rates them as back/mids then they are perfect for our list

 

[Drunken Wookie]

people wanting grjl for his speed but dont want cdt let me remind you:

Cooper Duff-Tytler	VIC M	Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket	2.922
Sam Grlj	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Camberwell	2.926

 

[Stylo]

Jagga and FOS are light years ahead of Grlj IMO, it’s not even close but spot on with your second point. If FOS or Lalor were going to be available at pick 3 last year there’s every chance you would have had picks 1, 2 and 3 in this year’s draft.

Yeah agree he’s def a tier below those 2 on talent, but solely in terms of VFL performances I thought he stacked up pretty well. Was probably better than Langford too.

 

[Jimmy123]

Hypothetical.

West Coast have picked.

Robey, CDT and Grlj are all still on the board.

Who would we take

I think if CDT is there it's a no brainer to take him.
He might take a bit longer too develop, but that lines up well with Nank's decline and retirement.
I would take Robey as well, as good as Grlj looks, I think that he is not a unique prospect like Robey is, and could be found in anoter draft.

 

[Ballin]

Hypothetical.

West Coast have picked.

Robey, CDT and Grlj are all still on the board.

Who would we take

Sharp and Cumming ,

 

[eaglevision]

Yeah agree he’s def a tier below those 2 on talent, but solely in terms of VFL performances I thought he stacked up pretty well. Was probably better than Langford too.

Sorry didn’t read the entire thread and the VFL context. Yes he acquitted himself very well in the VFL, pace is pace.

 

[eaglevision]

I don't see the Will Phillips comparison at all. Phillips is slow, Grlj is not. I also think Grlj has him well and truly covered when it comes to his competitiveness. I think Grlj has a pretty high floor, it's hard to see him not being at least a handy HBF, as we saw at VFL level.

In this draft with so many question marks about the top prospects, I'm taking that floor combined with his high upside/potential to turn into a Butter type midfielder.

I don’t think he’s a high floor type, I think he’s more of a high ceiling. He’s not a Jagga or Sharp type that will just rack up the ball no matter what. He’s the ultimate athletic mix of speed, endurance and agility and if he can develop his footballing my word he’ll be a player.

 

[Ballin]

I don’t think he’s a high floor type, I think he’s more of a high ceiling. He’s not a Jagga or Sharp type that will just rack up the ball no matter what. He’s the ultimate athletic mix of speed, endurance and agility and if he can develop his footballing my word he’ll be a player.

He is both high floor (HBF) and high ceiling (MID) ...

 

[Calcium Man]

Hypothetical.

West Coast have picked.

Robey, CDT and Grlj are all still on the board.

Who would we take

We would take cdt, 2nd pick is probably Grlj but that’s lineball.

Personally I take Robey and Grlj. Better rucks are coming next year and cdt is still a massive development project. He’s had 2 good games for the season the rest were meh to shit.

people wanting grjl for his speed but dont want cdt let me remind you:

Cooper Duff-Tytler	VIC M	Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket	2.922
Sam Grlj	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Camberwell	2.926

Yeah but you also know CDT has Samson Ryan arms

 

[hammer180]

Unpopular opinion here, if we are going for need opposed to best talent, I would try to trade one of our picks for 7 and 8 and try to move up the draft board from 38 to get Barker or NHH.
A scenario where we get robey or CDT, then get 2 of taylor cumming grlj sharp lindsay, seems the best situation as well as Barker (wing) seems to like a great draft to fill holes. NHH would be great just very inconsistent thinking injuries may have cost him a bit.

 

[hammer180]

Hypothetical.

West Coast have picked.

Robey, CDT and Grlj are all still on the board.

Who would we take

I'd be looking to split with essendon or Melbourne in this scenario.

 

[eaglevision]

He is both high floor (HBF) and high ceiling (MID) ...

I don’t think we can switch floors and ceilings according to which position they’re playing. Midfielders followed by KPFs would generally have the highest ceiling and true A graders are very difficult to replace.

Flankers are generally the other end of the spectrum and can be replaced by lower cost specialists (eg. Jordan Clark) or players that didn’t make it as midfielders (Whitfield, Andrew McGrath etc.).

 

[tigs2010]

people wanting grjl for his speed but dont want cdt let me remind you:

Cooper Duff-Tytler	VIC M	Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket	2.922
Sam Grlj	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Camberwell	2.926

When the AFL move to runners on a basketball court I will take this into consideration lol

 

[Ballin]

people wanting grjl for his speed but dont want cdt let me remind you:

Cooper Duff-Tytler	VIC M	Calder Cannons/Woodend-Hesket	2.922
Sam Grlj	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers/Old Camberwell	2.926

Yes and CDTs 2km time was elite too ... 6min 21s, same time as Annabelle from memory ...

 

[Ballin]

I don’t think we can switch floors and ceilings according to which position they’re playing. Midfielders followed by KPFs would generally have the highest ceiling and true A graders are very difficult to replace.

Flankers are generally the other end of the spectrum and can be replaced by lower cost specialists (eg. Jordan Clark) or players that didn’t make it as midfielders (Whitfield, Andrew McGrath etc.).

What is this ... The Block?

 

[baazzaa]

Based on list needs , Surely he should know when drafting specially in the 2nd year of a rebuild you dont draft for needs but the best talent and when was the last time a HBF with speed or a HBF interceptor was drafted with picks #3 & #4 ?

According to PMBangers there's only 3 players we can pick who would have been top ~20 last year: Duursma, CDT and Robey. So if we don't want CDT due to Sims etc. and the other 2 get picked by WC, you're only getting a choice of 20+ picks.

Also ordinarily you don't, immediately prior to your rebuild, spend a huge amount of draft capital on 2 inside-mids, which kind of means we can't follow the usual recipe.

 

[hammer180]

Jesus he really is pushing Taylor & Grlj to Richmond isnt he
Based on list needs , Surely he should know when drafting specially in the 2nd year of a rebuild you dont draft for needs but the best talent and when was the last time a HBF with speed or a HBF interceptor was drafted with picks #3 & #4 ?

Grlj is not a mid he is a HBF that should be selected #8+ and similar to Taylor
Inside / Outside mids or Fwd / Mids with special traits should be the focus with Richmond 2nd year rebuild

This is one the main issues with completely ignoring the whole entire pool. We get fixated that we have pick 3 4 and then say we shouldn't pick this type of player because of the position he plays at this pick because it's to high. It's why we need the full context. Picks 3 4 will likely be 6-8 in the complete pool. Over the last 4 drafts there have been similarish players taken between 9-11 meaning Taylor may only be a slight reach.

 

[lvt06]

Jagga and FOS are light years ahead of Grlj IMO, it’s not even close but spot on with your second point. If FOS or Lalor were going to be available at pick 3 last year there’s every chance you would have had picks 1, 2 and 3 in this year’s draft.

They're different players. I loved / love FOS and think he is a special talent.

But if we are comparing VFL highlights, both against Sandringham, I am not sure light years ahead is 100% right.

 

[hammer180]

So if we were to bid on Uwland Patterson Annable & Dean before drafting Grlj & Taylor at 7 & 8 you'd have no issue.

We should be doing that anyway so pick 38 comes in earlier

 

[eaglevision]

They're different players. I loved / love FOS and think he is a special talent.

But if we are comparing VFL highlights, both against Sandringham, I am not sure light years ahead is 100% right.

The reference I was making was on talent, not on VFL performance. Grlj could be a very special player, have rated him highly since his futures game after being stuck behind FOS and Jagga at Oakleigh which probably stunted his midfield development. Big upside.

 

[Calcium Man]

Unpopular opinion here, if we are going for need opposed to best talent, I would try to trade one of our picks for 7 and 8 and try to move up the draft board from 38 to get Barker or NHH.
A scenario where we get robey or CDT, then get 2 of taylor cumming grlj sharp lindsay, seems the best situation as well as Barker (wing) seems to like a great draft to fill holes. NHH would be great just very inconsistent thinking injuries may have cost him a bit.

It’s not unpopular, I read about sliding every page, it’s more that it’s highly unlikely.

 

[Danog]

For those dumping on Dylan’s mock drafts, he had sharp way down when this board were touting him as the clear no1. Now most are hoping we don’t take him, me included.

His rankings now are more reasonable than they were. He was clickbaiting.

 

[Lacustrus]

The reference I was making was on talent, not on VFL performance. Grlj could be a very special player, have rested him highly since his futures game after being stuck behind FOS and Jagga at Oakleigh which probably stunted his midfield development. Big upside.

I’d be worried about the go home factor also and why you guys are hesitant about the vicmetro kids.

 

[Danog]

We would take cdt, 2nd pick is probably Grlj but that’s lineball.

Personally I take Robey and Grlj. Better rucks are coming next year and cdt is still a massive development project. He’s had 2 good games for the season the rest were meh to shit

I'd take Robey then slide pick 4 down to Essendon for 5 and something extra (21).

Let them take CDT while we take Grlj and have a pick that could land us NHH, Emmett, etc