List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft

[Ancient Tiger]

I told you guys SAM WALSH next year as a free agent
He would be the perfect player to target

Bad backs are not good for sportsmen....

 

[Wrenny]

He sort of downplayed his baseball ability on gettable with Cal.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Regarding the talk around picking CDT with an early pick and the correlation of Premiership winning rucks with where they come from, just wanted to add this. Not sure the validity and how accurate this may be, but still something I wanted to add:

When teams were constructing lists to try and win Premierships over the last couple years (Us, WCE, Demons, Geelong etc.), you build it up with what you know, and when you go to rucks, it's either someone who competes (whether through bash and crash, elite tap work, or as a bigger bodied midfielder) and plays a kick behind the ball to intercept. When you look at those kind of rucks, you're not looking for an athletic player like TDK or Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

, but rather much more mature bodied players, so more often than not, you look to other clubs with rucks who've been on a list for 5-7 years, but not getting game time. That makes sense.

But if the future prototype ruck isn't this traditional idea of what a ruck is, but rather rucks in the mould of TDK or Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

(athletic freaks who have the tap work, can act as an extra midfielder, and either push fwd hard or act as an intercepting ruck), then I don't see how you get that by looking at picking up a second ruck from another club.

Is there a risk? No doubt. But I also think that ever since the COVID draft, clubs have gotten far better at picking up talents, especially within the top 10 to 15, so if we were to go early with CDT, then I trust the people there enough for it not to be a bust pick.

 

[sabso]

When was the last time a player in the afl had a Christian name Gabriel??

AFL tables has no one named Gabriel (unless one has debuted since 2024)

 

[Coach_Required]

Looks like we will have 2 picks between 1-5 (most likely) .
I'm not particularly concerned if wet toast get picks 1 and 2 ..as if Allen leaves I feel they will look to home grown talent or South Australian talent before Vic players..if they took 2 of curtin .sharp and Rodriguez I really wouldn't care
To those in the know how close is CDT tracking to what TDK did in the juniors ..because if it's close I'd take CDT with our first pick in a heartbeat .As for the next pick Duursma or Greeves will be available for our next pick .
If the Kellaway lad keeps tracking as he is he'd easily replace Dow or Ross so that would be a win
As for 2026 we get Brian Leys boy whose tracking well and we'll probably finish bottom 4 next year so we will have access to a top end mid of the type we don't have ...
Not to mention a war chest of cash to entice a very high end free agent or two ..
All in all we have some pain coming but not without reward ..think it's going to pan out well for us in the long run

The only problem to that plan is Essendon have the Dees 1st pick so they could possibly end up with a pick before ours and CDT is in their sights.

 

[THE_GUN]

Regarding the talk around picking CDT with an early pick and the correlation of Premiership winning rucks with where they come from, just wanted to add this. Not sure the validity and how accurate this may be, but still something I wanted to add:

When teams were constructing lists to try and win Premierships over the last couple years (Us, WCE, Demons, Geelong etc.), you build it up with what you know, and when you go to rucks, it's either someone who competes (whether through bash and crash, elite tap work, or as a bigger bodied midfielder) and plays a kick behind the ball to intercept. When you look at those kind of rucks, you're not looking for an athletic player like TDK or Luke Jackson, but rather much more mature bodied players, so more often than not, you look to other clubs with rucks who've been on a list for 5-7 years, but not getting game time. That makes sense.

But if the future prototype ruck isn't this traditional idea of what a ruck is, but rather rucks in the mould of TDK or Luke Jackson (athletic freaks who have the tap work, can act as an extra midfielder, and either push fwd hard or act as an intercepting ruck), then I don't see how you get that by looking at picking up a second ruck from another club.

Is there a risk? No doubt. But I also think that ever since the COVID draft, clubs have gotten far better at picking up talents, especially within the top 10 to 15, so if we were to go early with CDT, then I trust the people there enough for it not to be a bust pick.

Only thing i will add to that is

If a player that is over 200cm tall and is an athletic freak , Not just a great athlete but an athletic freak
that can play football to a high level then you should not consider them as just a Ruckman but more a tall footballer that is multi positional. These players will be worth their weight in gold.
Now im not sure just how good CDT is athletically or if he has that win at all cost mentality but this season will say alot about the player he will become and the combine results will show his athletic traits.
A top 5 pick or even #1 should not be out of the question if he is actually that good

 

[Charlie Pannam]

The only problem to that plan is Essendon have the Dees 1st pick so they could possibly end up with a pick before ours and CDT is in their sights.

Let’s hope Melbourne can find a bit of form.
Bumbers are looking good re draft prospects this year, a couple of NGAs and Dee’s first. And they’ve * off Dodoro

 

[Joey longshadow]

The only problem to that plan is Essendon have the Dees 1st pick so they could possibly end up with a pick before ours and CDT is in their sights.

Yes Melbourne are proving more sh!t than I'd anticipated..I still think they will finish above us and the Roos.. especially if Goodwin gets the flick to much talent not to put together a few wins then

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Yes Melbourne are proving more sh!t than I'd anticipated..I still think they will finish above us and the Roos.. especially if Goodwin gets the flick to much talent not to put together a few wins then

yeah as shit as theyre playing theyre capable of a lot better. theyve got a seasoned line-up theyll get some junktime wins at the end of the year against younger teams who start to drop off.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Problem taking a young ruckman is he's up against men straight away so he loses alot of his advantages he had against his junior opponents.
By the time he's put on some size it might be too late.
Bigger risk taking a ruckman top 10 let alone top 5.

As long as we have mature rucks he doesn't have to play immediately against men. We could easily play him in the VFL as a ruck.

Also I reckon we'd only take him early if he was a godo mid. So play him as a mid first and develop him as a ruck over time.

 

[Calcium Man]

Regarding the talk around picking CDT with an early pick and the correlation of Premiership winning rucks with where they come from, just wanted to add this. Not sure the validity and how accurate this may be, but still something I wanted to add:

When teams were constructing lists to try and win Premierships over the last couple years (Us, WCE, Demons, Geelong etc.), you build it up with what you know, and when you go to rucks, it's either someone who competes (whether through bash and crash, elite tap work, or as a bigger bodied midfielder) and plays a kick behind the ball to intercept. When you look at those kind of rucks, you're not looking for an athletic player like TDK or Luke Jackson, but rather much more mature bodied players, so more often than not, you look to other clubs with rucks who've been on a list for 5-7 years, but not getting game time. That makes sense.

But if the future prototype ruck isn't this traditional idea of what a ruck is, but rather rucks in the mould of TDK or Luke Jackson (athletic freaks who have the tap work, can act as an extra midfielder, and either push fwd hard or act as an intercepting ruck), then I don't see how you get that by looking at picking up a second ruck from another club.

Is there a risk? No doubt. But I also think that ever since the COVID draft, clubs have gotten far better at picking up talents, especially within the top 10 to 15, so if we were to go early with CDT, then I trust the people there enough for it not to be a bust pick.

lions - the big O
Gc - witts
Hawks - meek
Pies - cameron
GWS - briggs
Cats - Stanley/sdk/blicavs
Crows - ROB
Saints - marshall

That’s the current top 8. SDK is probably the only one not picked up off the scrap heap and he is a pinch hitter.

Rucks are slow and unpredictable to develop because it’s so hard to align their talent against their u/18 opponents, as they are often play against undersized and no where near as athletic rucks. In state league they start coming up against comparable sized opponents.

CDT is an athletic freak (which imo is magnified in Coates where 80-90% of the players in the league top out at div 1 seniors at best) but he needs to show he can be a KPF in mould of Darcy/Thilthorpe or that he’s a genuine midfielder that you’d play in midfield with Nank/ryan the ruck before I’d consider him with our picks.

Edit: for reference CCJ had a 30 touch national champs game and averaged 23 at SANFL u/18s (yeah shitter league than CTL) and Dodson did something similar last year.

 

[matt_y106]

lions - the big O
Gc - witts
Hawks - meek
Pies - cameron
GWS - briggs
Cats - Stanley/sdk/blicavs
Crows - ROB
Saints - marshall

That’s the current top 8. SDK is probably the only one not picked up off the scrap heap and he is a pinch hitter.

Rucks are slow and unpredictable to develop because it’s so hard to align their talent against their u/18 opponents, as they are often play against undersized and no where near as athletic rucks. In state league they start coming up against comparable sized opponents.

CDT is an athletic freak (which imo is magnified in Coates where 80-90% of the players in the league top out at div 1 seniors at best) but he needs to show he can be a KPF in mould of Darcy/Thilthorpe or that he’s a genuine midfielder that you’d play in midfield with Nank/ryan the ruck before I’d consider him with our picks.

Reminds me too much of Nik Cox. I desperately wanted him in his draft year, elite skills and 200cm and a freak athlete. But is just as soft as they come. Will not make it. Can’t help but see CDT in the same mould.

 

[Calcium Man]

Reminds me too much of Nik Cox

 

[_RT_]

Our potential depth chart for KPP/Ruck should we get CDT:

KPD - Balta Miller Blight Gibcus Trainor Young Gray Koschitzke

KPF - Lynch* Armstrong Faull Fawcett Lefau

Ruck - Nankervis Hayes-Brown Colina

Ruck/Foward - Ryan Sims CDT

* - Has possibly 2 years left
Bold - Has 3-4 years left

That is a well balanced group that should give us a solid foundation to build from. Obviously some of them will be moved on in the next 12-24 months with Koschitzke Young Lefau & Gray needing a lot to go right for them to still be around come 2027 when we should start to climb the ladder.

 

[Barnzy]

lions - the big O
Gc - witts
Hawks - meek
Pies - cameron
GWS - briggs
Cats - Stanley/sdk/blicavs
Crows - ROB
Saints - marshall

That’s the current top 8. SDK is probably the only one not picked up off the scrap heap and he is a pinch hitter.

Rucks are slow and unpredictable to develop because it’s so hard to align their talent against their u/18 opponents, as they are often play against undersized and no where near as athletic rucks. In state league they start coming up against comparable sized opponents.

CDT is an athletic freak (which imo is magnified in Coates where 80-90% of the players in the league top out at div 1 seniors at best) but he needs to show he can be a KPF in mould of Darcy/Thilthorpe or that he’s a genuine midfielder that you’d play in midfield with Nank/ryan the ruck before I’d consider him with our picks.

Edit: for reference CCJ had a 30 touch national champs game and averaged 23 at SANFL u/18s (yeah shitter league than CTL) and Dodson did something similar last year.

Reminds me too much of Nik Cox. I desperately wanted him in his draft year, elite skills and 200cm and a freak athlete. But is just as soft as they come. Will not make it. Can’t help but see CDT in the same mould.

People joining me jumping off the CDT hype train.

 

[Calcium Man]

Our potential depth chart for KPP/Ruck should we get CDT:

KPD - Balta Miller Blight Gibcus Trainor Young Gray Koschitzke

KPF - Lynch* Armstrong Faull Fawcett Lefau

Ruck - Nankervis Hayes-Brown Colina

Ruck/Foward - Ryan Sims CDT

* - Has possibly 2 years left
Bold - Has 3-4 years left

That is a well balanced group that should give us a solid foundation to build from. Obviously some of them will be moved on in the next 12-24 months with Koschitzke Young Lefau & Gray needing a lot to go right for them to still be around come 2027 when we should start to climb the ladder.

Now do our midfielders after TT and hopper, remembering that Hotton is a hff who was only just starting to play midfield before his knee.

 

[THE_GUN]

CDT is an athletic freak (which imo is magnified in Coates where 80-90% of the players in the league top out at div 1 seniors a

Is he though ?
What are his testing numbers like

Vertical leap
20 mtr sprint
YoYo times
Agility

 

[Barnzy]

Now do our midfielders after TT and hopper, remembering that Hotton is a hff who was only just starting to play midfield before his knee.

Yep. Positional value and opportunity cost.

Only have to watch the Brisbane Lions yesterday or anytime recently. Journeyman ruck and lost their best forward and it doesn't matter. When all of their blue chip mids (They have 5 of them) decide it's time to stop having their premiership hangover and put their foot down...it's game over.

You get the blue chips mids at the top of the draft.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Regarding the talk around picking CDT with an early pick and the correlation of Premiership winning rucks with where they come from, just wanted to add this. Not sure the validity and how accurate this may be, but still something I wanted to add:

When teams were constructing lists to try and win Premierships over the last couple years (Us, WCE, Demons, Geelong etc.), you build it up with what you know, and when you go to rucks, it's either someone who competes (whether through bash and crash, elite tap work, or as a bigger bodied midfielder) and plays a kick behind the ball to intercept. When you look at those kind of rucks, you're not looking for an athletic player like TDK or Luke Jackson, but rather much more mature bodied players, so more often than not, you look to other clubs with rucks who've been on a list for 5-7 years, but not getting game time. That makes sense.

But if the future prototype ruck isn't this traditional idea of what a ruck is, but rather rucks in the mould of TDK or Luke Jackson (athletic freaks who have the tap work, can act as an extra midfielder, and either push fwd hard or act as an intercepting ruck), then I don't see how you get that by looking at picking up a second ruck from another club.

Is there a risk? No doubt. But I also think that ever since the COVID draft, clubs have gotten far better at picking up talents, especially within the top 10 to 15, so if we were to go early with CDT, then I trust the people there enough for it not to be a bust pick.

Not buying what the future ruck will look like(Jackson/TDK),
Current flag favs have a lumbering type in Meek who they traded in for.
I mean the best ruckman the past decade went pick 30+(Gawn)
The Ruckman should be near the last puzzle in our rebuild jigsaw.
In fact we should just go with a Balta/Sims combo.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not buying what the future ruck will look like(Jackson/TDK),
Current flag favs have a lumbering type in Meek who they traded in for.
I mean the best ruckman the past decade went pick 30+(Gawn)
The Ruckman should be near the last puzzle in our rebuild jigsaw.
In fact we should just go with a Balta/Sims combo.

If Richmond draft CDT i doubt we will draft him for just being a Ruckman but more his midfield and foward abilities and the flexibility it gives in the team structure. A Ruck that can play as a mid and a foward. Thinking a Blicavs type player with better Rucking ability

 

[Danog]

Our potential depth chart for KPP/Ruck should we get CDT:

KPD - Balta Miller Blight Gibcus Trainor Young Gray Koschitzke

KPF - Lynch* Armstrong Faull Fawcett Lefau

Ruck - Nankervis Hayes-Brown Colina

Ruck/Foward - Ryan Sims CDT

* - Has possibly 2 years left
Bold - Has 3-4 years left

That is a well balanced group that should give us a solid foundation to build from. Obviously some of them will be moved on in the next 12-24 months with Koschitzke Young Lefau & Gray needing a lot to go right for them to still be around come 2027 when we should start to climb the ladder.

No ****ing chance Colina stays on our list

 

[Barnzy]

Not buying what the future ruck will look like(Jackson/TDK),
Current flag favs have a lumbering type in Meek who they traded in for.
I mean the best ruckman the past decade went pick 30+(Gawn)
The Ruckman should be near the last puzzle in our rebuild jigsaw.
In fact we should just go with a Balta/Sims combo.

Yeah people keep bringing up TDK and Jackson but their teams haven't won anything with them as the lead rucks. Carlton won more games when Pittonet was rucking and Darcy for Freo.

They've got good fantasy scores. Other than that there's really no solid argument that having an athletic ruck whose best strength is getting touches around the ground is the archetype to target going forward if you want to win flags.

 

[Calcium Man]

Is he though ?
What are his testing numbers like

Vertical leap
20 mtr sprint
YoYo times
Agility

From what I’ve seen from an unverified source

2.97 20m
21 yo-yo

So above average speed and elite midfielder endurance. Matches what I’ve seen of him at ctl

Emmett has a sub 6min 2km which is ridiculous.

 

[THE_GUN]

From what I’ve seen from an unverified source

2.97 20m
21 yo-yo

So above average speed and elite midfielder endurance. Matches what I’ve seen of him at ctl

Emmett has a sub 6min 2km which is ridiculous.

They look like good numbers with more improvement left in the next 2 years
if he has a 80cm standing vertical and is close to 6.0 - 6.3 2klm time
then he will have all the athletic traits needed to be the player we are all talking about him becoming

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If Richmond draft CDT i doubt we will draft him for just being a Ruckman but more his midfield and foward abilities and the flexibility it gives in the team structure. A Ruck that can play as a mid and a foward. Thinking a Blicavs type player with better Rucking ability

Then go with Balta in the Ruck or even someone like Fawcett who is agile for a big man