2026 Trade / FA Thread

[The Royal Sampler]

We really stuffed up the compensation for the noble trade.

We stuffed up by not playing him in the 2023 GF and then trading him out.

 

[sr36]

Win rate at home of over 85%, giving them a walk up start to finals every year - often flattering them, to the extent that they had a 75% loss rate in finals up to 2021?.

And same number of flags since we were both flag winners in 2010/11.
So how do you measure this “superiority” if not flags.

Not sure how you figure out they had worst picks?

Most of that has nothing to do with recruiting, except the final question. With that final question, do you understand how draft picks are allocated?

 

[manicpie]

We stuffed up by not playing him in the 2023 GF and then trading him out.

We under received for Noble and then overpaid for Houston. Not sure what the thinking was but it was an error

 

[The Royal Sampler]

HDM, Jiath.
It is not the players. It is the process where Collingwood take action against a player for performance where that is not done. It hurts the club.

I could see the delist/re-rookie switch being flicked though.

 

[WanderingDude]

We stuffed up by not playing him in the 2023 GF and then trading him out.

We one 2023 as the best team, I cannot find fault there.

I can remember an emotional interview with Fly post GF. He absolutely wanted Noble to stay. He talked about Collingwood being a family club, as a player Noble was a loved/wanted player and Noble wanting to leave for family reasons. Fly's appreciation of Noble was raw. He stressed how could a family club want to stop a player moving for family reasons. I am sure he said it breaks your heart. That was the context at the time.

The return at the time felt so wrong. We paid for Shultz and got nothing for Noble. Both were for family reasons.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

We stuffed up by not playing him in the 2023 GF and then trading him out.

Markov over Noble was the right call throughout the 2023 Finals.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Markov over Noble was the right call throughout the 2023 Finals.

I would have played Noble and left out Ginnivan… even if that meant Lipinski in the side and Noble sub.

 

[footballsack35]

In regard to list changes at the end of the year this is who I see not playing on in 2027:

• Jakob Ryan, one senior game after four years in the system doesn't warrant another contract
• Smit, has never done anything impressive in the VFL and now with Coe on the list as depth and Steene hopefully coming back in the second half of 27 I can't see him being offered a contract
• Bobby, goes to WC for a fourth rounder and that's the end of that chapter
• Sidebottom, I think he retires and as much as I love Sidey there is no reason to offer a contract next year, enjoy the next few months

Then there a couple more depth players who I'm sure won't be offered a contract

• One of Howes, Cochran or Puncher I'm almost certain will be delisted, just not sure which one yet
• Sullivan is an interesting one as he is handy depth but will be 29 next year and won't be close to the best 23
• Then we have HDM and Jiath who are both contracted next year but we all know they won't make it and don't even offer serviceable depth. They stay next year but that will be their last
• Membrey is another interesting one as now that we have Pods who is a few years younger and West hopefully cements a spot in the best 23 I can't see him playing on especially if we land Jed Walter
• Howe is a 50/50 to play on, I wouldn't be mad at him for retiring but we could use him for an extra year as Moore is unreliable and we don't have any real promising young defender
• Pendles to go once more in 2027

 

[HFF]

We stuffed up by not playing him in the 2023 GF and then trading him out.

No we didnt
He was a massive weakness going into finals as he was leaking goals badly of all our small backs.

The right move was made and we needed an extra forward too for a balance despite Ginnivan doing sweet faaark all.

WHE playing in defence also was a master stroke really that finals campaign

 

[ZEV]

Speaking objectively , geelong would technically be the best place for neale given it's proximity to the sa/vic border.

But its geelong, so they can go and and get stuffed.

It’s Geelong and he is recently single….

 

[satty]

In regard to list changes at the end of the year this is who I see not playing on in 2027:

• Jakob Ryan, one senior game after four years in the system doesn't warrant another contract
• Smit, has never done anything impressive in the VFL and now with Coe on the list as depth and Steene hopefully coming back in the second half of 27 I can't see him being offered a contract
• Bobby, goes to WC for a fourth rounder and that's the end of that chapter
• Sidebottom, I think he retires and as much as I love Sidey there is no reason to offer a contract next year, enjoy the next few months

Then there a couple more depth players who I'm sure won't be offered a contract

• One of Howes, Cochran or Puncher I'm almost certain will be delisted, just not sure which one yet
• Sullivan is an interesting one as he is handy depth but will be 29 next year and won't be close to the best 23
• Then we have HDM and Jiath who are both contracted next year but we all know they won't make it and don't even offer serviceable depth. They stay next year but that will be their last
• Membrey is another interesting one as now that we have Pods who is a few years younger and West hopefully cements a spot in the best 23 I can't see him playing on especially if we land Jed Walter
• Howe is a 50/50 to play on, I wouldn't be mad at him for retiring but we could use him for an extra year as Moore is unreliable and we don't have any real promising young defender
• Pendles to go once more in 2027

We don't have to keep HDM and jiath. Their contracts would be modest and it is worth paying them out just to have the benefit of having two list spots.

 

[Anzacday]

Smit, has never done anything impressive in the VFL

I will confess to thinking he might be too much of a project.
The bits that I saw yesterday have changed my mind.
He’s still only 20, has some nice traits and is a competitor.

 

[GreekLunatic]

McRae could be saying that due to Hines picks were duds now with obree we seeing a ray of light

 

[Babylove]

In regard to list changes at the end of the year this is who I see not playing on in 2027:

• Jakob Ryan, one senior game after four years in the system doesn't warrant another contract
• Smit, has never done anything impressive in the VFL and now with Coe on the list as depth and Steene hopefully coming back in the second half of 27 I can't see him being offered a contract
• Bobby, goes to WC for a fourth rounder and that's the end of that chapter
• Sidebottom, I think he retires and as much as I love Sidey there is no reason to offer a contract next year, enjoy the next few months

Then there a couple more depth players who I'm sure won't be offered a contract

• One of Howes, Cochran or Puncher I'm almost certain will be delisted, just not sure which one yet
• Sullivan is an interesting one as he is handy depth but will be 29 next year and won't be close to the best 23
• Then we have HDM and Jiath who are both contracted next year but we all know they won't make it and don't even offer serviceable depth. They stay next year but that will be their last
• Membrey is another interesting one as now that we have Pods who is a few years younger and West hopefully cements a spot in the best 23 I can't see him playing on especially if we land Jed Walter
• Howe is a 50/50 to play on, I wouldn't be mad at him for retiring but we could use him for an extra year as Moore is unreliable and we don't have any real promising young defender
• Pendles to go once more in 2027

My opinion:
Smit - We proved this year that 3 rucks, albeit one developing, is not enough depth when injuries strike. I think if we let Smit go we’ll need to recruit another ruck to replace him.
Sidebottom/Pendlebury/Howe - will not be pushed into retirement or to seek opportunities elsewhere. If they want to play on they get another contract. That being said it’s doubtful they all go round again. But it will be entirely their call.
Sullivan - is a reliable depth player when injuries strike. For that reason you keep him unless younger players go past him.
Cochrane/Howes/Puncher - this is another area of the field where we have needed depth. Like Smit, I think if we move one on we’ll need to recruit to replace.

 

[stormskye]

We don't have to keep HDM and jiath. Their contracts would be modest and it is worth paying them out just to have the benefit of having two list spots.

Can you name a club that’s delisted two kids under contract?

 

[No SPIN]

Most of that has nothing to do with recruiting, except the final question. With that final question, do you understand how draft picks are allocated?

Finishing higher and poorer picks, is balanced out by walk up start to finals with phenomenal HGA win rate. So achieving finals as a metric is skewed more in favour of HGA than recruiting- hence why they had a 75% loss rate in finals between 2012 and 2019. In fact “, Scott was highly criticized accordingly at the time.

So again if flags are the metric they are no better than us from 2010/11.

Which begs the question, are they really the benchmark and do they really need to be lauded so passionately?

 

[gouki88]

I hate these retrospective comments, they're so brain dead. You aren't some kind of list genius. By this logic we should have picked up every other player in the league that performed better than our own similarly numbered pick. You don't know if they're going to make it until they make it. It's a gamble.

I agree it's nice to see Fly publicly light the fire under some of our plodders. That doesn't mean it wasn't already being done internally though. It isn't like the head coach saves important development criticisms solely for the weekly presser. There'd be plenty of internal discussion around where those players are at.

It should read "I can't believe we (and every other club) didn't go for Logan Morris"

 

[manicpie]

I will confess to thinking he might be too much of a project.
The bits that I saw yesterday have changed my mind.
He’s still only 20, has some nice traits and is a competitor.

I think he has the best forward craft of our ruckman. He can spray them though

 

[WanderingDude]

We don't have to keep HDM and jiath. Their contracts would be modest and it is worth paying them out just to have the benefit of having two list spots.

It hurts culture and club.

 

[satty]

Can you name a club that’s delisted two kids under contract?

carlton delisted jaxon binns last year. He was a 21yrd old player drafted in the 2022 draft and still was contracted at the time of his delisting. hollands while contracted was also delisted , think it enabled them to clear his salary from the 2026 books.

yes he became a ssp signing, but it would have been at a very basic contract.

So if we value our list spots and want to prioritize bringing in more fresh talent next year , then we should strongly consider sending those 2 packing because I cant see them making any further strides .

 

[pablo disco bar]

It should read "I can't believe we (and every other club) didn't go for Logan Morris"

Its the fact at OUR pick he was there and many many on here wanted him...looked a sure thing...

IF HDM at least showed promise im sure myself and others would not comment...however its one of the most ridiculous draft choices ive witnessed in my time

 

[stormskye]

carlton delisted jaxon binns last year. He was a 21yrd old player drafted in the 2022 draft and still was contracted at the time of his delisting. hollands while contracted was also delisted , think it enabled them to clear his salary from the 2026 books.

yes he became a ssp signing, but it would have been at a very basic contract.

So if we value our list spots and want to prioritize bringing in more fresh talent next year , then we should strongly consider sending those 2 packing because I cant see them making any further strides .

We rookied johnson from memory but I just can’t see it happening, as in completely delisting both

 

[WanderingDude]

carlton delisted jaxon binns last year. He was a 21yrd old player drafted in the 2022 draft and still was contracted at the time of his delisting. hollands while contracted was also delisted , think it enabled them to clear his salary from the 2026 books.

yes he became a ssp signing, but it would have been at a very basic contract.

So if we value our list spots and want to prioritize bringing in more fresh talent next year , then we should strongly consider sending those 2 packing because I cant see them making any further strides .

Binns I was not aware of.
Holland's issue was on the edge of being out of two clubs. Time away indicates a further issue. Does not count.

Our players do not have off field issues.
Only rabble clubs just delist and payout players for performance reasons.
Are you suggesting we look to Carlton for direction?

 

[Jen2310]

We rookied johnson from memory but I just can’t see it happening, as in completely delisting both

We have never delisted them outright, only thing we have done is delist and honour their contracts by rookie them. Jonson. Murley, are the two that come to mind.

 

[SchuPie]

It should read "I can't believe we (and every other club) didn't go for Logan Morris"

Not really
Not all clubs were on the hunt for a KPP
West Coast went the taller option in Reid
At the time we were desperately looking for a forward

• evident that the following year we were doing everything possible to grab KPPs at 47 / 50 - Leppa saying as much as they watched all the KPPs come off the board and getting nervous
• evident in that we then tried to move up to pick him in the same draft (baffling then why we didn’t take him at 25)
• he had just performed under high pressure kicking 4 goals in the champs

Anyway, as I said before, just a decade until he retires and I can move on

Thanks, now I need another cup of tea and a lie-down