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Player Watch #30: Reece Conca

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Thought Conca's game was poor and most of the things he cops criticism for reared their ugly heads again.I dont think him best 22 but hes a Dimma favorite and wont be dropped anytime soon. One thing for sure it was not as bad as McIntosh's game, now theres a bloke whos not done a whole lot for the last 5 weeks.
 
mopsy said:
Thought Conca's game was poor and most of the things he cops criticism for reared their ugly heads again.I dont think him best 22 but hes a Dimma favorite and wont be dropped anytime soon. One thing for sure it was not as bad as McIntosh's game, now theres a bloke whos not done a whole lot for the last 5 weeks.
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A favourite of mine, McIntosh. But has been relatively poor in a few games this season.
Happy for him to be sent back to the Twos to work on things.
 
Goldust said:
A favourite of mine, McIntosh. But has been relatively poor in a few games this season.
Happy for him to be sent back to the Twos to work on things.
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Nope his last 5 have been below standard and he needs to go back and find his feet.
 

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TigerImposter said:
Conca is a turnover merchant and a poor decision maker. Graham is not.
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Richmond players averaging more turnovers per game than Conca:
Prestia 6
Cotchin 5
Riewoldt 4.8
Caddy 4.75
Houli 4.6
Short 4.3
Martin 4
B.Ellis 4
Grigg 3.8
Edwards 3.6
Lambert 3.6
McIntosh 3.5
Conca 3.5

Can we label all them turnover merchants too? Or is just the other whipping boy in Ellis that gets to wear the label?
 
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Richmond players averaging more turnovers per game than Conca:
Prestia 6
Cotchin 5
Riewoldt 4.8
Caddy 4.75
Houli 4.6
Short 4.3
Martin 4
B.Ellis 4
Grigg 3.8
Edwards 3.6
Lambert 3.6
McIntosh 3.5
Conca 3.5

Can we label all them turnover merchants too? Or is just the other whipping boy in Ellis that gets to wear the label?
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Who cares as the first six players you’ve mentioned are guns or A graders and are expected to perform and create more opportunities under higher pressure.You expect guns to have more errors as they’re in the thick of things and more involved in the tougher contests. This is why they’re paid more Only a fool would compare them to Conca.
Martin Ditto. Sheds Ditto.
Short, Grigg , Houli play different roles anyway as I was comparing him to the inside mid theory by all his fans on here. KMac is under scrutiny and Bellis has been dropped. Lambert is a better decision maker and can hurt you on the scoreboard.
Also the player I was comparing him to was Graham who surprisingly or conveniently was missing from that list.
Bravo for your wasted exercise and the only thing you’ve demonstrated is why stats are stupid by comparison .Oh and why haven’t you been on the Corey Ellis thread of late as I’ve missed all your bull shit on him? Strange to see you trolling around in here with all your useless stats ??
 
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69% game time? i say that is indeed short shrift.

i wouldn’t have played him at all off a five day break with his injury plagued body, he has all the reliability of a grey shopping bag. but it looks likely that they have managed his minutes quite considerably yesss

a bit more vibrancy required this week young man, perhaps a goal or two hey hayyy
 
parmy2balmey said:
69% game time? i say that is indeed short shrift.

i wouldn’t have played him at all off a five day break with his injury plagued body, he has all the reliability of a grey shopping bag. but it looks likely that they have managed his minutes quite considerably yesss

a bit more vibrancy required this week young man, perhaps a goal or two hey hayyy
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The reality is..........
 
Stats stats stats stats!

Do you guys quoting stats get text based updates of the game or something? If you watch the game you can see the brain fades and poor skills. You can see Martin, Edwards, Cotch etc doing things guys like a Conca (and the vast majority of the football world) can’t do.

But no it’s all about DE% and the like.

Stats aren’t everything. Open the other eye and look at it objectively. Conca has his good qualities and has had some good games this season. But he’s on the fringes and it’s cos he’s also capable of games like on Sunday. That was a finals like game and he went missing. He did one or two good things and was involved in some scoring chains but he had only 11 touches with 4 clangers and a really really dumb 50M penalty.

I’m not even saying he should be dropped. I’m saying I’m not sure he’ll be best 22 for finals, and games like against the Pies are why.
 

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TigerImposter said:
Who cares as the first six players you’ve mentioned are guns or A graders and are expected to perform and create more opportunities under higher pressure.You expect guns to have more errors as they’re in the thick of things and more involved in the tougher contests. This is why they’re paid more Only a fool would compare them to Conca.
Martin Ditto. Sheds Ditto.
Short, Grigg , Houli play different roles anyway as I was comparing him to the inside mid theory by all his fans on here. KMac is under scrutiny and Bellis has been dropped. Lambert is a better decision maker and can hurt you on the scoreboard.
Also the player I was comparing him to was Graham who surprisingly or conveniently was missing from that list.
Bravo for your wasted exercise and the only thing you’ve demonstrated is why stats are stupid by comparison .Oh and why haven’t you been on the Corey Ellis thread of late as I’ve missed all your bull shit on him? Strange to see you trolling around in here with all your useless stats ??
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Just as I expected you labelled Conca a turnover merchant are presented with facts that show others are worse than him and they are all excused with the exception of the whipping boys.

Fact is Conca is playing as an inside mid often winning possession and disposing of the ball under the same pressure that the likes of Martin Cotchin Edward's Lambert & Prestia are. Despite this you sink the boots in as him being a poorly skilled player who panics under pressure yet Concas DE% is the same as those same players. On that logic those guys should also be labelled as panicky poorly skilled turnover merchants, if not then you're being nothing more than a hypocrite.
 
One of the great themes of 2017 for Richmond was, to paraphrase, "Celebrate Your Strengths".
Every player from every club and every era will make mistakes... some are marked harder than others, human nature.
One of the major differences, perhaps the biggest, between 2016 and today's Richmond is that our mistakes are mainly positive mistakes as we are taking the game on. Reece takes the game on, beyond his abilities at times maybe but I believe that is what the coaches want.
Reece also exerts tremendous pressure, along with all our players, when we don't have the ball and this enables us to "Shorten The Pitch". Those that have read Yellow & Black know how vital to our game plan that is.
I would be very surprised if Cotchin, Martin, Edwards, Prestia and co. didn't value Reece Conca's strong body in the clinches and his willingness to work hard for them.
We are a pretty complete TEAM at the moment and Reece has more than played his part and his positives this season have far outweighed his negatives.
He will know that Ellis x 2, Markov, Mendue, Townsend and others are waiting in the wings if his intensity drops.
Great position for the club to be in.
 
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Just as I expected you labelled Conca a turnover merchant are presented with facts that show others are worse than him and they are all excused with the exception of the whipping boys.

Fact is Conca is playing as an inside mid often winning possession and disposing of the ball under the same pressure that the likes of Martin Cotchin Edward's Lambert & Prestia are. Despite this you sink the boots in as him being a poorly skilled player who panics under pressure yet Concas DE% is the same as those same players. On that logic those guys should also be labelled as panicky poorly skilled turnover merchants, if not then you're being nothing more than a hypocrite.
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It’s not hypocritical as you’re suggesting guys like Prestia Conca Martin are in the same class as Conca . It’s nonsense on stilts and you know it , but just want to troll. Conca has never performed to their level and never impacted or influenced games to their level. As I said in the intensity and pressure situations they work under bc they’ve often been tagged or double tagged of course they err, but it’s their ability to perform and create positively / cleanly more often than not makes them guns. Conca should be killing it as he’s basically just a role player under least attention, yet he coughs it up and has brain fades with little resistance. Now please stop your stupidity and go back to the CEllis thread and stop derailing another thread with nonsensical stats and comparisons. So by your evaluation of the stats sheet your telling us Martin Cotchin Jack Prestia Houli etc etc etc are on the verge of being dropped as this brackets them into the bottom 22-30 bracket. Thanks for the nonsense and I will iterate again this is why stats are dangerous when they fall in the hands of people like you who don’t have a visual feel for the game and are unable to decipher between reality and dream team points. Move on as you seem to constantly backing the wrong horse of late and derailing threads with poorly researched stats and comparisons.
 
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parmy2balmey said:
69% game time? i say that is indeed short shrift.

i wouldn’t have played him at all off a five day break with his injury plagued body, he has all the reliability of a grey shopping bag. but it looks likely that they have managed his minutes quite considerably yesss

a bit more vibrancy required this week young man, perhaps a goal or two hey hayyy
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Wonder if they only paid 69% of his wage. :think::D
 

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He didn't have a good game against Hawks because sat on the pine more than normal and I can't remember him lining up once in the centre square after goals.
So from going from starting centre mid to not there at all means they were resting/managing him. That is obvious no matter how you look at it. Collingwood played very well, so not the sort of game where HF get a stack of possessions.
He was swung into the centre in the last Q, and played well, in his natural position. He has drawn praise from Hardwick the previous two games as an inside mid, and works very well with Prestia and Cotchin because when one of them is resting, we still have two mids burrowing in to get the hard ball. How many times in the previous games was it Conca getting up from the bottom of the pack or shovelling out a handball to a team mate. Occasionally the ball goes to the nearest team mate, like all bottom of the pile mids. Hence why their possessions can sometimes seem average.
He also has the ability with ball in hand to separate himself from the pack due to his way above average agility. His use of the ball will only get better with continuity, bit like Prestia last year who only came good in the last part of the season. Hand up if you were labelling Prestia a dud half way through the season, because plenty on here were.
Those who do not like Conca are almost sweating on him to make mistakes, it is only natural. And those like me in his corner have to acknowledge he does have some issues and that he is far from cemented in the side. I think he has a great up side and makes us better when he is playing well. Time will tell who wins this argument, in the meantime why such acrimony to one of our own.
 
TigerImposter said:
It’s not hypocritical as you’re suggesting guys like Prestia Conca Martin are in the same class as Conca . It’s nonsense on stilts and you know it , but just want to troll. Conca has never performed to their level and never impacted or influenced games to their level. As I said in the intensity and pressure situations they work under bc they’ve often been tagged or double tagged of course they err, but it’s their ability to perform and create positively / cleanly more often than not makes them guns. Conca should be killing it as he’s basically just a role player under least attention, yet he coughs it up and has brain fades with little resistance. Now please stop your stupidity and go back to the CEllis thread and stop derailing another thread with nonsensical stats and comparisons. So by your evaluation of the stats sheet your telling us Martin Cotchin Jack Prestia Houli etc etc etc are on the verge of being dropped as this brackets them into the bottom 22-30 bracket. Thanks for the nonsense and I will iterate again this is why stats are dangerous when they fall in the hands of people like you who don’t have a visual feel for the game and are unable to decipher between reality and dream team points. Move on as you seem to constantly backing the wrong horse of late and derailing threads with poorly researched stats and comparisons.
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Your assertion is that Conca is a poorly skilled panicky turnover merchant who shouldn't be playing in the seniors and give him no leeway for making errors or having a poor game but offer others every excuse possible. Classic example is Graham and Concas games Sunday.

When taken to task about it you bleat about give me facts not opinions. Then when you're presented with facts you dismiss them as meaningless for no other reason than they don't fit your narrative.

Am I saying those ranked worse than Conca should be dropped, not in the slightest, what I'm saying is that if you're going to harshly judge the whipping boys you should be just as harsh on every player in the interest of fairness.
 
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Your assertion is that Conca is a poorly skilled panicky turnover merchant who shouldn't be playing in the seniors and give him no leeway for making errors or having a poor game but offer others every excuse possible. Classic example is Graham and Concas games Sunday.

When taken to task about it you bleat about give me facts not opinions. Then when you're presented with facts you dismiss them as meaningless for no other reason than they don't fit your narrative.

Am I saying those ranked worse than Conca should be dropped, not in the slightest, what I'm saying is that if you're going to harshly judge the whipping boys you should be just as harsh on every player in the interest of fairness.
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lol The whipping boy line . XXXX me how old are you?
Which my assertion are facts and whilst yours are rubbish as you compared him to our elite players. Move on as IMO he's not best 22.
 
TigerImposter said:
lol The whipping boy line . XXXX me how old are you?
Which my assertion are facts and whilst yours are rubbish as you compared him to our elite players. Move on as IMO he's not best 22.
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You haven't produced a single fact, just opinions.

Fact Concas DE% is the same as those elite players.

Fact Concas pressure rating is as high if not better than a number of those elite players.

Fact Conca turns the ball over less than at least 10 teammates despite winning almost as much of it as they do.

Fact Conca is best 22 as witnessed by him playing every game this year despite your opinion saying he has been good in no more than 2 games.

Now where are your facts?
 

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