Player Watch #32 - Corey Ellis

[Tiger_Of_Old]

So the actual play was a ball up in the middle after Butler Banana goal in the second, CEllis lays a tackle in the middle gets up and then sprints after Cripps who picked up the loose ball and kicks kicks into forward 50, rance spoils grimes chases the ball to HF and kicks it off the ground to centre of the wing. Corey has worked back to HBF and is running across the line of ball on a 45 degree angle and has to turn to give chase whereas grimes was running full pelt the direction he kicked the ball, he then ran off past Corey who sagged back onto Silvaghni Grimes's man, Carlton picked up the loose ball and booted it back into forward 50.

He would have needed 3-4m long arms to pick up the loose ball

The point is,He chose not to go for that 2nd effort.All it would have taken was a 10mtr sprint(not even a sprint if Grimes could see Ellis was between him & the ball) to the ball knowing that Grimes would have held his opponent back.

 

[mopsy]

A question that i keep asking is what does playing this bloke in front of others who have literally torn the door down do for club morale and those players morale.Its one sure way to sow seeds of discontent.

Surely its better for the team to have players in it who will make a bigger contribution.
It makes sense to have him play in the twos to develop and reward those who have actually done the hard yards with games.

People carrying on about his role or roles in the team and use it as an excuse for what is quite simply poor performances.
people need to ask the simple question are there better options on the list to perform those roles atm?? I think just about everyone would agree there are numerous better options for every role that Cory performs atm.

People talk as if its shameful to have a player Develop in the two's. In this case it is clearly the place Corey needs to develop and theres nothing wrong with that.

 

[Michaels]

It’s not too high bc atm it’s completely lopsided to lack of quality as well as a lack of quantity . As I said in the jlt Game he needs to work harder in the gym and develop in the seconds. Even in the twos he still goes through large phases where he disappears. He also needs to work on improving his speed and there are many websites showing this by professionals. A mate of mine took note of these sites and it was incredible what an increase in a couple of yards did to his game. I’m sure the club have the pros onto it, but we ain’t seeing the fruits of it atm.
I also see a lack of quality in his game with his intensity and this comes about again due to his lack of strength. Really he’s undersized for a fourth year player and this is why his game at the top notch level is lacking both quality and quantity.

But how many elite dangerous possessions are you expecting him to have each match and more importantly what are you classing as dangerous?

2 have already been mentioned that resulted in goals, that'
Not bad IMO. If everyone averaged 2 goal assists per game we would be laughing.

Agree he needs to maybe find an extra yard of pace to really get himself into more space.

 

[prodigy]

A question that i keep asking is what does playing this bloke in front of others who have literally torn the door down do for club morale and those players morale.Its one sure way to sow seeds of discontent.

Surely its better for the team to have players in it who will make a bigger contribution.
It makes sense to have him play in the twos to develop and reward those who have actually done the hard yards with games.

People carrying on about his role or roles in the team and use it as an excuse for what is quite simply poor performances.
people need to ask the simple question are there better options on the list to perform those roles atm?? I think just about everyone would agree there are numerous better options for every role that Cory performs atm.

People talk as if its shameful to have a player Develop in the two's. In this case it is clearly the place Corey needs to develop and theres nothing wrong with that.

I think the main point in dispute is that some believe that CEllis earned his call up to round 1, whereas others believe he didn’t.


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[tropicaltiger]

The point is,He chose not to go for that 2nd effort.All it would have taken was a 10mtr sprint(not even a sprint if Grimes could see Ellis was between him & the ball) to the ball knowing that Grimes would have held his opponent back.

wow if your going hard on ellis for this youd better check out shai's game in the scheme of things that would make hardwick cringe..... then check out grigg, lambert, vlossy and even dusty where they should have went a bit harder.

 

[_RT_]

The point is,He chose not to go for that 2nd effort.All it would have taken was a 10mtr sprint(not even a sprint if Grimes could see Ellis was between him & the ball) to the ball knowing that Grimes would have held his opponent back.

Lets just recap that passage of play.

Ellis is at the centre bounce where he lays a tackle(first effort) gets up and chases after Cripps(second effort), then runs from inside the square to a contest near the HBF (third effort) and is expected to sprint after a ball that Grimes kicks past him, and is criticised for not making a 2nd effort????????

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

wow if your going hard on ellis for this youd better check out shai's game in the scheme of things that would make hardwick cringe..... then check out grigg, lambert, vlossy and even dusty where they should have went a bit harder.

Seriously?
Your questioning someone like Lamberts attitude?

 

[Goldust]

Nice little bullet pass to castagna in the forward pocket while tucked up on the boundary line that resulted in a goal class as one?

Genuine question by the way

Which is why we all log in every weekend and hail that one piece of play where CEllis was good.
And that's what it is ... 'one'.
I look forward to 2022 when we are hailing two bits of good play per week.

 

[Goldust]

Can't let facts and analysis get in the way of vibe and feelings. Its why Trump is turning into the most successful president of all time.

May I ask Milk Man???
What does the stats sheet say about Trump????

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Seriously?
Your questioning someone like Lamberts attitude?

No questioning Lambert's attitude at all...but...but all his gut running against the blues came a bust!

 

[Goldust]

Once again Ellis doesn't have to be a prime mover or a star. Right now all he has to do is play his role and on Thursday night, that is what he did. He got his dozen or so disposals, laid tackles, linked up in play and put on defensive pressure. The way you and TI post it's like he needs to be a game breaker or he needs to do something that makes the crowd stand up and applaud. This is what I don't agree with regards the constant talking down of him.

Oh and BTW, I have never claimed he is some tackling master, I have talked about his improvement in that area of his game, from averaging 2-3 tackles a game in the VFL in his first 2 years to averaging 6 tackles a game last year and I have said that he needs to bring that sort of effort to the AFL as well. What I find strange that a kid who is labelled as being timid increases his tackling numbers by double and it is still not considered a step in the right direction, which is why I asked what it is that you guys want from him and by your explanation above it is that the kid should be some sort of star, rather than a role player in a premiership winning line up.

To me that is unrealistic and having that sort of expectation put on him is always going to lead you and TI to talking him down unless he does star.

Put down your stats sheet for a minute ... when did CEllis lay that bone-jarring tackle we all remember; or genuinely stopped someone dead in their tracks???? No one has ever presented he doesn't tackle, he's just not any damn good at it.

 

[prodigy]

Which is why we all log in every weekend and hail that one piece of play where CEllis was good.
And that's what it is ... 'one'.
I look forward to 2022 when we are hailing two bits of good play per week.

Well, 2022 has come early because he had two...


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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Lets just recap that passage of play.

Ellis is at the centre bounce where he lays a tackle(first effort) gets up and chases after Cripps(second effort), then runs from inside the square to a contest near the HBF (third effort) and is expected to sprint after a ball that Grimes kicks past him, and is criticised for not making a 2nd effort????????

Thats the old Richmond.Done enough that will do.

 

[prodigy]

Thats the old Richmond.Done enough that will do.

You’re back tracking now though. You claimed he couldn’t make a second effort, but it’s been proven, he actually had three or four efforts in the passage of play.
Is that not good enough?


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[JAKLAUGHING]

 

[Goldust]

A question that i keep asking is what does playing this bloke in front of others who have literally torn the door down do for club morale and those players morale.Its one sure way to sow seeds of discontent.

Surely its better for the team to have players in it who will make a bigger contribution.
It makes sense to have him play in the twos to develop and reward those who have actually done the hard yards with games.

People carrying on about his role or roles in the team and use it as an excuse for what is quite simply poor performances.
people need to ask the simple question are there better options on the list to perform those roles atm?? I think just about everyone would agree there are numerous better options for every role that Cory performs atm.

People talk as if its shameful to have a player Develop in the two's. In this case it is clearly the place Corey needs to develop and theres nothing wrong with that.

Agree.
Imagine looking blokes like Miles and Lloyd in the eye every week when they're busting a gut and here we are gifting games to an inferior bloke!
Almost like the club is digging as deep for excuses as some on here.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Seriously?
Your questioning someone like Lamberts attitude?

Did you see his first half, ran around and didnt get near it....obviously credits in the bank and all that. Im just mentioning when your side is 5 goals down and you hadnt had a touch or a tackle, maybe get amongst it a bit more which he did..... so yes, if your gunna pot corey be fair about it.

 

[prodigy]

Agree.
Imagine looking blokes like Miles and Lloyd in the eye every week when they're busting a gut and here we are gifting games to an inferior bloke!
Almost like the club is digging as deep for excuses as some on here.

Surely you can’t think a professional organisation that just won the premiership would conduct themselves like that?
Is there any chance that you might consider that you’re actually off the mark on this one?



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[_RT_]

A question that i keep asking is what does playing this bloke in front of others who have literally torn the door down do for club morale and those players morale.Its one sure way to sow seeds of discontent.

Surely its better for the team to have players in it who will make a bigger contribution.
It makes sense to have him play in the twos to develop and reward those who have actually done the hard yards with games.

People carrying on about his role or roles in the team and use it as an excuse for what is quite simply poor performances.
people need to ask the simple question are there better options on the list to perform those roles atm?? I think just about everyone would agree there are numerous better options for every role that Cory performs atm.

People talk as if its shameful to have a player Develop in the two's. In this case it is clearly the place Corey needs to develop and theres nothing wrong with that.

Who are the numerous better options that can play HF/HB/Wing/On Ball which are the 4 roles that Ellis has played across the JLT games and round 1?

Miles is an inside midfielder who can kick goals when forward, but has never played wing or HB that I know of.

Lloyd is a forward who can pinch hit on ball, but again has not played HB or wing.

Higgins is a first year kid who has done well in his 2 VFL practice matches but he'd be cooked by half time in the AFL

Menadue isn't an inside midfielder

Markov is a HBF/winger

Naish is a skinny outside type in his first season

So who else would you suggest play ahead of Ellis?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

You’re back tracking now though. You claimed he couldn’t make a second effort, but it’s been proven, he actually had three or four efforts in the passage of play.
Is that not good enough?


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Is there a team limit on how many efforts your allowed to do?
If so somebody better pull Graham up.

 

[Goldust]

Surely you can’t think a professional organisation that just won the premiership would conduct themselves like that?
Is there any chance that you might consider that you’re actually off the mark on this one?



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No .. I'm not off the mark.
Ellis is a plain and ordinary footballer and not in our best 22, even with four or five players out.
He was again mediocre on Thursday night ... and unlike some I didn't have to rush to afl.com.au to check the stats and find out ... I saw it with my eyes.
He's on a par with Lennon and I wasn't wrong on that either.
Four years in and we're making excuses still and being told we can't compare him to any other player ... yet someone in defending him referred to him as a cross between Sam Mitchel and Pendlebury.
**** me!!!!

 

[prodigy]

Is there a team limit on how many efforts your allowed to do?
If so somebody better pull Graham up.

Alright. Let’s start bashing kids for making 3-4 efforts in one passage of play.


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[Goldust]

Is there a team limit on how many efforts your allowed to do?
If so somebody better pull Graham up.

Critique him in any way and you'll get a 'Corey is not in the team for that'.
So m,any things he's not in the team to actually do.

 

[TigerImposter]

If it's about quality over quantity why get upset when I mentioned that Miles' disposals don't hurt despite him getting plenty of the ball. We have 4 premiership players out of the side at present, we need to pick someone to fill those spots and we've gone with 3 unproven types to give them opportunity. If they don't step up they'll find themselves back in the VFL soon enough. If they do maintain their spots when the others come back then that can only be a good thing as it means our depth has improved again

Aaahhhhmm bc he lacks in both quality and quantity and if you follow back on those posts you were the one that contradicted yourself. Remember???Or are you just sliding back into your deceptive and lying little tactics . I can go and place all the non edited posts into order for you if you need me to. I’m sorry I need to do this with you bc you’ve been found doing these dirty tactics. You picked up on Miles bc you were using CEllis tackling as some big thing yet Miles out performed him. In the end my gripe with Corey is he’s getting a game over better players and is physically not up to afl standard atm. He should be developed at vfl level . Now stop wasting my time with lies and come back to me when you can conjure up a highlights reel for Corey which improves on Fiora.
Comparing CELlis to Miles shows how football ignorant your are as if CEllis ever achieves anywhere near Miles achievements we’d be all smiling .

 

[prodigy]

No .. I'm not off the mark.
Ellis is a plain and ordinary footballer and not in our best 22, even with four or five players out.
He was again mediocre on Thursday night ... and unlike some I didn't have to rush to afl.com.au to check the stats and find out ... I saw it with my eyes.
He's on a par with Lennon and I wasn't wrong on that either.
Four years in and we're making excuses still and being told we can't compare him to any other player ... yet someone in defending him referred to him as a cross between Sam Mitchel and Pendlebury.
**** me!!!!

That comparison was made in terms of type of player and style of play. Not quality of player. It was made abundantly clear.


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