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Because Peter Fitzsimmon's daughter's friend says so...
In all seriousness I can see a regional NSW team in 40 years. But I'll be past caring by that point. I'll be too busy uploading my consciousness into an immortal, android body and booking my solar system cruise before settling down in a nice condo on Mars.
In all seriousness I can see a regional NSW team in 40 years. But I'll be past caring by that point. I'll be too busy uploading my consciousness into an immortal, android body and booking my solar system cruise before settling down in a nice condo on Mars.
S#*t bump of a s#*t thread.
Pretty much sums up Big Footy lately.
Pretty much sums up Big Footy lately.
No way should we have more sides in NSW/QLD than in WA/SA
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theRainbowGame
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Why not?
At the moment there are more football fans in SA/WA, but the tide is turning. NSW will overtake these states.
I understand your sentiment for QLD.
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Would be a damn shame to have a third NSW team over a Tassie team.
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Because Peter Fitzsimmon's daughter's friend says so...
In all seriousness I can see a regional NSW team in 40 years. But I'll be past caring by that point. I'll be too busy uploading my consciousness into an immortal, android body and booking my solar system cruise before settling down in a nice condo on Mars.
And where would that regional team be, maybe Canberra encompassing the Riverina ?
There is only 2 spots in NSW, both involve Sydney, one North and one S/SW, both are big population areas that would need big funding, although North to CC and Newcastle has arguably better grass roots football than Sydney south and south west.
From Liverpool across to the airport and down to Heathcote and Cronulla across to Campelltown is a huge area and that would be the next Sydney team in 30 years
And where would that regional team be, maybe Canberra encompassing the Riverina ?
There is only 2 spots in NSW, both involve Sydney, one North and one S/SW, both are big population areas that would need big funding, although North to CC and Newcastle has arguably better grass roots football than Sydney south and south west.
From Liverpool across to the airport and down to Heathcote and Cronulla across to Campelltown is a huge area and that would be the next Sydney team in 30 years
Sure. GWS is in the sweet spot for growth. But the Hunter region is predicted to have a population of around 1m by 2050. So Newcastle?
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If Newcastle is chosen, you will be able to hear the howls from the NRL boys at Etihad.
theRainbowGame
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Sounds like a great place. The Black Diamond cup in Newcastle is supposedly the oldest continuous cup in Australian Football.
Not sure why people are pushing around numbers like 30 years. I'd say 20 years at max, probably aiming for 15 years.
30 years ago was 1986. ALOT had changed in football and other sports since then.
20 years ago was 1996, and think how much the landscape has changed since then.
The more teams we add, the more it dilutes the talent, the more that makes the game less attractive. Perhaps when GWS and the Swans are resounding successes then they can think about it.
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I think by the time GWS has very strong junior growth in its area and sells out its membership at spotless it is time for a third team, when that is is anyones guess, my guess is 10 years.
Agreed, they need to get going first. Expanding the comp dilutes the talent. New sides need to support this by growing the game and expanding the participation in Aussie rules.
NOTE: the following is not to be taken seriously. Haha
Thing is we don't need to increase the number of teams, just rationalize the number of teams in Melbourne. Instead of relocating teams (nearly) everyone could merge.
Bulldogs and Essendon = Calder Bulldogs: Keep the sash but make the black royal blue
North and Carlton = Hume Blues: Lose the monogram and add white pin stripes to represent Norths stripes. (Just changing royal blue to navy would look too much like Collingwood)
Melbourne and Richmond = Melbourne Tigers: Richmond's colours Melbourne's design.
Hawks and Saints = Monash Hawks: Saints design but yellow and brown instead of black and white.
Let Collingwood go it alone seeing as they think they are so much bigger than everyone else.
That gives 4 new teams that can be created.
Thing is we don't need to increase the number of teams, just rationalize the number of teams in Melbourne. Instead of relocating teams (nearly) everyone could merge.
Bulldogs and Essendon = Calder Bulldogs: Keep the sash but make the black royal blue
North and Carlton = Hume Blues: Lose the monogram and add white pin stripes to represent Norths stripes. (Just changing royal blue to navy would look too much like Collingwood)
Melbourne and Richmond = Melbourne Tigers: Richmond's colours Melbourne's design.
Hawks and Saints = Monash Hawks: Saints design but yellow and brown instead of black and white.
Let Collingwood go it alone seeing as they think they are so much bigger than everyone else.
That gives 4 new teams that can be created.
I think GWS will need 20 years to consolidate its position. And no...beating a few sides this year and making finals doesn't count. The Swans made the finals in 1987 and were almost extinct within a couple of years. We're talking 20 years to build a supporter base of 24k rusted on supporters which will future proof the side. The Swans landed in '83 and didn't have that until the late 90's.
If the AFL were serious about basing a team north of Sydney, they would need to invest a lot of money over the next 20-30 years to build the grassroots support necessary to justify the money.
As for the AFL talent pool, that's why the Academy system is so important. It needs to be producing local talent on a regular basis (and enough of it, so that it's feeding players directly into other clubs around the country) before any of that will be possible.
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It will be a while before GWS's academy is regularly producing representative footballers from GWS itself, ATM it is full of footballers from the Riverina, ACT and not much more.
Looking at NSW rep teams the bulk are from the Riverina, ACT, Broken Hill, Eastern and Northern Suburbs of Sydney with a couple from northern NSW, GWS ( the region) has next to no representation, it will be a very slow burn to tap into this region.
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merging Baulko-Penno would be like having the Collingwood Blues or Adelaide Power in the AFL.
Do not merge 2 fierce rivals.
As an ex Penno player, I'd completely stop giving a shit about the club if we got in bed with Baulko/East Coast.
Perth Pirates (WA/SA - 5)
Castle Coast Cougars (NSW/QLD - 5) - Newcastle & Central Coast - it's the biggest populated area in Australia without an AFL team. Over 1 million people there - plus the NSW North Coast obviously.
20 Team AFL.
4 Divisions of 5.
AFL West (WA/SA)
AFL North (NSW/QLD)
AFL South (5 VIC)
AFL Central (5 VIC)
Too easy.
Play own division twice (Home & Away) - 8 Games and every other team once (15 games) - total 23 Matches spread over 25 weeks.
Perth Pirates (WA/SA - 5)
Castle Coast Cougars (NSW/QLD - 5) - Newcastle & Central Coast - it's the biggest populated area in Australia without an AFL team. Over 1 million people there - plus the NSW North Coast obviously.
20 Team AFL.
4 Divisions of 5.
AFL West (WA/SA)
AFL North (NSW/QLD)
AFL South (5 VIC)
AFL Central (5 VIC)
Too easy.
Play own division twice (Home & Away) - 8 Games and every other team once (15 games) - total 23 Matches spread over 25 weeks.
The rankings below don't include the Central Coast obviously.
Rank GCCSA/SUA State/Territory June 2014[1]
population Percentage of
national population
1 Sydney New South Wales 4,840,628 20.61%
2 Melbourne Victoria 4,440,328 18.90%
3 Brisbane Queensland 2,274,560 9.68%
4 Perth Western Australia 2,021,203 8.60%
5 Adelaide South Australia 1,304,631 5.55%
6 Gold Coast-Tweed Heads Queensland/New South Wales 614,379 2.62%
7 Newcastle-Maitland New South Wales 430,755 1.83%
8 Canberra-Queanbeyan Australian Capital Territory/New South Wales 422,510 1.80%
* Australian Capital Territory Australian Capital Territory[a] 386,000 1.64%
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The really big, huge, enormous problem with Newcastle is the lack of a decent ground, NSW AFL and NSW cricket are willing to provide some funds to upgrade Newcastle number 1 sportsground but so far the council has not come to the party, Newcastle City AFL club plays there.
But as far as grassroots footy goes it is probably as strong as GWS, maybe stronger.
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Well i am not, i seriously think a 3rd side is inevitable in Sydney and i reckon it will be down south south west, which is part of the Swans and GWS territory.
They need to be talking to Cricket Australia. "We" (AFL & Cricket Australia) could go all in on a new 35,000 seat oval ground in Newcastle if Cricket Australia commits to a Big Bash franchise in Newcastle.
Keep in mind, I'm looking at 2030 here for this team.
No real hurry. The TV rights deal after the TV rights deal that comes after the TV rights deal that comes after the current TV rights deal.
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