Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

Indigenous trackers say that animals are very good at hiding their own tracks.

They can't be that good or indigenous trackers wouldn't know that.

 

[Lady O]

In the outback, you can actually see quite well on a clear night. If he wasn't under a bush he'd be spotted but in the daylight it might also be hard to find him under a bush.

Most people on farms would have a spotlight in their vehicles to help them after dark. It's just a matter of scanning the area whilst moving slowly. You can cover quite a large area quickly if someone is on the back of a ute. The dams look to me like the most likely place to find him.

 

[Underarrest_]

They can't be that good or indigenous trackers wouldn't know that.

Maybe to the normal eye but Indigenous trackers have a different connection to the land.
Animals or not, maybe the trackers have given police info from their knowledge of the land that we don’t know about.

 

[Wallace52]

Maybe a combination of animals could leave no trace. Indigenous trackers say that animals are very good at hiding their own tracks. Who knew?

That would be a sex offender in a vehicle.

That's probably the only animal a First Nations tracker cannot track.

It's unlikely in this case for an opportunistic human predator to come across Oak Park... It's unlikely but it is not without precedent.

 

[Wallace52]

Correct.

The police have very little substantiated fact to work with. They can't even prove he was there on the day.

Well maybe Gus was not there on 27 September.

That's what the evidence says, right?

 

[Jim Cricket]

Because locals have reported they have not been interviewed by police. Nor have neighbours of Gus's Dad. If police were investigating alibis of family members then locals and associates would also need to be interviewed to corroborate. Police have publicly stated repeatedly they don't suspect foul play. This may be a tactical statement but there is no evidence that they are pursuing any theory other than 'wandered off'.
DM journos are trying to get a story. Nobody they spoke to has mentioned being asked anything by police which isn't in line with the 'wandered off' theory. Nobody has been asked when they saw Gus last, for example.

So SOME locals and neighbours of the father said however long ago that they hadn't been interviewed YET. Clearly the police have only done a couple of searches of the property and nothing else is being done. Makes you wonder how it can take years to solve a crime when it should only take a month to cover every possible scenario.

 

[31550]

Maybe to the normal eye but Indigenous trackers have a different connection to the land.
Animals or not, maybe the trackers have given police info from their knowledge of the land that we don’t know about.

It is fairly poignant that despite all the perceived advancements in forensics, investigatory techniques and technology, modern police cannot match the knowledge of a 50,000 year old civilisation. We think we are on a sort of upward path when it comes to knowledge and technology, but the reality is we actually lose a lot of skills and abilities as we 'evolve'.

 

[31550]

So SOME locals and neighbours of the father said however long ago that they hadn't been interviewed YET. Clearly the police have only done a couple of searches of the property and nothing else is being done. Makes you wonder how it can take years to solve a crime when it should only take a month to cover every possible scenario.

Work smarter not harder.

 

[MP_]

It is fairly poignant that despite all the perceived advancements in forensics, investigatory techniques and technology, modern police cannot match the knowledge of a 50,000 year old civilisation. We think we are on a sort of upward path when it comes to knowledge and technology, but the reality is we actually lose a lot of skills and abilities as we 'evolve'.

Which is why it was amazing they didn’t get a tracker straight away.

 

[Frank Bunn]

So SOME locals and neighbours of the father said however long ago that they hadn't been interviewed YET. Clearly the police have only done a couple of searches of the property and nothing else is being done. Makes you wonder how it can take years to solve a crime when it should only take a month to cover every possible scenario.

It's a bit like the Dezi Freeman investigation. A local caravan park owner said police didn't search his property even after he reached out to them. I think we have to assume a fair amount of police incompetency in these major incidents.

 

[CodyRose]

So SOME locals and neighbours of the father said however long ago that they hadn't been interviewed YET. Clearly the police have only done a couple of searches of the property and nothing else is being done. Makes you wonder how it can take years to solve a crime when it should only take a month to cover every possible scenario.

Yep far too slow, makes me wonder about stalling? Time passing gets rid of a lot of evidence. Why put out a photo 7 months old? Why accept a photo 7 months old? No more recent ones? Most parents, carers and grandparents take hundreds. A lot can happen in 7 months and children's features change as well. As an outsider looking on, it sometimes seems neither side wants to him found. A resounding "move on, nothing to see here" theme, too exclusive, too private. We got more information about William Tyrell's carers and they were way more affluent.

 

[CodyRose]

It's a bit like the Dezi Freeman investigation. A local caravan park owner said police didn't search his property even after he reached out to them. I think we have to assume a fair amount of police incompetency in these major incidents.

They need to listen much more to the public.

 

[CodyRose]

Why do you assume the police aren't doing all of this? Just because they show up at the property every week or two doesn't mean there's not a heap of other stuff happening behind the scenes unrelated to searching the property.

Also how can they establish a verified timeline of Gus's movements and those of his connections when they're on a sheep station in the middle of nowhere? It's very unlikely anyone else will know where they were and when. People looking for verified information from around the time of his disappearance won't be getting it.

Convenient though

 

[Kurve]

You might want to do a bit of research on wedge tailed eagles. The birds generally weigh up to 5kg and under ideal conditions can lift up to 50% of their body weight. They don’t take kangaroos, a Joey maybe and they certainly wouldn’t have taken a child that may have weighed 2-3 times the birds weight. Now if Yunta had Pterodactyls then I could believe it .

Wedge-tailed Eagle

The Wedge-tailed Eagle is Australia's largest living bird of prey and one of the largest eagles in the world.

australian.museum

I will add it’s not to say an eagle wouldn’t attempt to attack a small child but it’s not going to swoop and lift the child away. A lot of reports of eagles and large animals are because the animal is already dead, not due to the eagle attacking it.

Wedgies tend to avoid humans I think, even if one was bold or stupid enough to swoop on a kid four times it's weight it wouldn't get far with him.

Also, Nana seems kind of willing to shoot and regardless of the legalities out there wedgetails when your sheep are lambing, wouldn't be welcome. A couple of shots and they're not coming near the house.

I'm not an expert but I've seen them a lot eating roadkill, mostly roos and they just tear at them for days until it's all gone. It's not like they're picking big stuff up and flying it back to the nest.

 

[CodyRose]

Because locals have reported they have not been interviewed by police. Nor have neighbours of Gus's Dad. If police were investigating alibis of family members then locals and associates would also need to be interviewed to corroborate. Police have publicly stated repeatedly they don't suspect foul play. This may be a tactical statement but there is no evidence that they are pursuing any theory other than 'wandered off'.
DM journos are trying to get a story. Nobody they spoke to has mentioned being asked anything by police which isn't in line with the 'wandered off' theory. Nobody has been asked when they saw Gus last, for example.

It's like amateur hour

 

[BonzaRam]

Wedgies tend to avoid humans I think, even if one was bold or stupid enough to swoop on a kid four times it's weight it wouldn't get far with him.

Also, Nana seems kind of willing to shoot and regardless of the legalities out there wedgetails when your sheep are lambing, wouldn't be welcome. A couple of shots and they're not coming near the house.

I'm not an expert but I've seen them a lot eating roadkill, mostly roos and they just tear at them for days until it's all gone. It's not like they're picking big stuff up and flying it back to the nest.

Yes I must admit i spent more times dodging Wedgies on the road than cattle and roos between Uluru and Alice, but then i have also seen with my own eyes a wedgie take a small roo from a roo pen, fly up with it and then drop it and follow it down.

Who ever said wedgies take their kill back the their nest? More often than not they eat it where they catch/find it.

 

[BonzaRam]

I'm thinking they should've had a reasonable chance of finding his hat in that scenario?

Do we know what he was wearing when he disappeared?

 

[Kurve]

Who ever said wedgies take their kill back the their nest? More often than not they eat it where they catch/find it.

There's a story back in 1932 where a child was found 180m up a tree in an eagles nest, unhurt.

I'm not really buying it.

 

[dc3]

As an earlier poster said there must be heaps the police know that we don’t as I can’t see how they can openly say on numerous times they don’t suspect foul play and have to take that on face value as they don’t seem to really be putting a
Lot of distance between them and the family and as the deputy commissioner said they drained the dam out of an abundance of caution

Where’s the abundance of caution on a time line of last non family member seeing Gus ? Or last time his dad seen him

The lack of physical evidence would be driving me bonkers , he can’t just vanish

Someone knows something and its time
To turn the screws

 

[maggiethecat]

It took about a year for the police to arrest krist Abrahams if I remember right… just saying

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

They need to listen much more to BigFooty.

FIFY

 

[31550]

It took about a year for the police to arrest krist Abrahams if I remember right… just saying

So the sad case of Keisha was another that happened 'right under the nose' of authorities. 'Everybody' knew about the problems in the family, yet nobody did anything to protect Keisha - and even after her death nobody wanted to believe the actual truth. If the body hadn't been discovered eight months later, the case might have remained open.
Child abuse is often a generational thing - affected families are often 'known to authorities'.

I am not suggesting that this is the case with Gus - there is no public evidence to indicate that (except for his disappearance). BUT, I would hope that the authorities have looked into the family history to see if there is any evidence or reports of alleged domestic violence or child abuse or neglect concerning Gus, his brother, or the immediate family (including mother, father, grandparents,...)

 

[31550]

It's unlikely in this case for an opportunistic human predator to come across Oak Park... It's unlikely but it is not without precedent.

Doesn't have to be opportunistic.

 

[Cataholic]

Do we know what he was wearing when he disappeared?

Yes.

A grey, wide brimmed hat was one item.

 

[Cataholic]

There's a story back in 1932 where a child was found 180m up a tree in an eagles nest, unhurt.

I'm not really buying it.

That's a tall tree