Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

Why do they have to tell us everything, it’s an investigation and releasing information to the public has the potential to damage anything they are working on.

They don't have to tell us everything. But they do need to be accountable.

If they are going to make statements such as, "we are considering all possibilities", and "we don't suspect foul play", then it is reasonable for them to provide examples of what possibilities they are considering other than foul play, and why they have ruled foul play out. Otherwise don't make such statements.

 

[MP_]

They don't have to tell us everything. But they do need to be accountable.

If they are going to make statements such as, "we are considering all possibilities", and "we don't suspect foul play", then it is reasonable for them to provide examples of what possibilities they are considering other than foul play, and why they have ruled foul play out. Otherwise don't make such statements.

They don’t have to be accountable to internet sleuths.

 

[31550]

They don’t have to be accountable to internet sleuths.

Even Internet sleuths are still people, generally speaking.

 

[Kurve]

The reporter has said in her online video she will swear under oath that there is no snake.

She can swear that she saw no snake and or that she heard no shot, she can't swear under oath that there absolutely was no snake and make it believable because she couldn't see everything.

 

[the_navyblue]

Not the same grandmother.

And you know this how? You have no way of knowing whether there was a snake or not. But that country is full of them.
This thread is just getting full of victim blaming and wild conspiracy theories.

How is this thread `getting full of victim blaming and wild conspiracy theories? I don`t blame any of Gus` family for not wanting to talk to the media but if you`re going to take a loaded shotgun out of your house to essentially confront a reporter, then you most certainly should be scrutinised.

Regardless of which paper the journalist is from, I don`t believe she is lying as she is willing to testify that the gun was discharged under the excuse a snake was around.

I have no idea like just about everybody else who is commenting and is not directly involved with this odd case about what happened but I do know that there has been a heavy emphasis from the start of how the public should not be questing the family or in fact regional folk who apparently deserve all the benefit of the doubt.

If nobody in the family has anything to do with Gus` disappearance, yes it`s hard for them to know that they are being discussed as under suspicion.

But the questioning is reasonable as on the balance of probability and on documented precedents of missing people especially children, there is a basis for thinking that at least one family member has something to do with it.

I am open to thinking this is a rare uncanny event but the precedent of what usually happens in cases like this is there is human intervention. And the circumstances of this isolated station etc point to those being in that station as having something to do with it even if covering for another family member.

I am hoping Gus was removed somewhere by a family member and is fine but I hope whoever did it if it has happened gets the full force of the law for the deception involving the police, military, trackers and everybody who has put in the energy and effort to look for Gus.

 

[passball]

Was the snake said to be on the verandah?

 

[winyhill]

Victim blaming? Who is blaming Gus?

I guess you could say the police and family are 'blaming' Gus for wandering off?
But I wouldn't 'blame' a 4YO boy - I'd blame the people who allowed him to 'wander off'.

There are no other 'victims' in this case - unless you believe that Jonica was threatened with a shotgun - in that case she is also a secondary victim.

The family are not 'victims' - as they allege he wandered off. And police "do not suspect foul play".

The family certainly are victims as well. How could they not be?

 

[MP_]

Even Internet sleuths are still people, generally speaking.

I personally don’t expect them to share every snippet of information they have and I don’t think we should expect them to because it is an ongoing investigation.

 

[winyhill]

If nobody in the family has anything to do with Gus` disappearance, yes it`s hard for them to know that they are being discussed as under suspicion.

But they are not under suspicion, SA Police have repeatedly said they are looking for a lost/wandered child. The people throwing suspicion are the "internet sleuths"

 

[FR0GGY]

Can anyone see what this is? Is it a light?

Honestly looks like a dome camera

 

[FR0GGY]

The family certainly are victims as well. How could they not be?

Well if they are the reason he is no longer?

 

[31550]

The family certainly are victims as well. How could they not be?

Victims of what exactly?

 

[theouthouse]

We should dismiss the snake on the veranda story as nonsense. It should be viewed as Josie threatening a media reporter with a shotgun. It's unclear why SAPOL went along with this narrative.

Try rocking up to most of these stations unwelcomed, sheep rustling etc is still very much existant, its essentially a private business and intruders are treated as suspicious.

 

[Cataholic]

Try rocking up to most of these stations unwelcomed, sheep rustling etc is still very much existant, its essentially a private business and intruders are treated as suspicious.

I doubt they'd be very good rustlers if they rock up to the owners door.

 

[passball]

Victims of what exactly?

Sounding familiar?

 

[Bostonian]

Victims of what exactly?

Victims of circumstance.

 

[Frank Bunn]

They don’t have to be accountable to internet sleuths.

The police are accountable to the public. The media plays a crucial role in that. They can highlight incompetence, misleading police statements, cover-ups etc.

With the 'shotgun for a snake on the veranda' narrative and the subsequent 'stay off the property' order, it seems that SAPOL are trying to avoid independent scrutiny in this investigation.

 

[Wallace52]

Victims of circumstance.

What’s the circumstance?

 

[Kurve]

I personally don’t expect them to share every snippet of information they have and I don’t think we should expect them to because it is an ongoing investigation.

Generally, on this board we go along with what the cops say knowing we're only getting the bare minimum of information, that pressers are very carefully prepared under whatever media strategy they decide is appropriate.

If they suspect a crime may have been committed, a media strategy is absolutely in play.

If they strongly suspect a crime's been committed, whatever they say in a media release, is for the offender's ears first, not the public. They're talking to the offender.

Agree, we can't expect them to share everything. We just let them do their jobs and wait it out.

 

[Wallace52]

She can swear that she saw no snake and or that she heard no shot, she can't swear under oath that there absolutely was no snake and make it believable because she couldn't see everything.

Yeah maybe. Let’s see!!

Josie was definitely yelling at a human, not a snake. That’s pretty clear.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Unfortunately, I think the grandparents did something either by force or accident. I suppose it's possible he did wander off and get kidnapped/killed by accident by someone else.

More unfortunate is that I am worried this will never be solved with SAPOL's history in missing children cases.

Hope they have something they are working on that will eventuate for everyone's sake.

 

[Lady O]

Not the same grandmother.

And you know this how? You have no way of knowing whether there was a snake or not. But that country is full of them.
This thread is just getting full of victim blaming and wild conspiracy theories.

You or someone sees a snake. You go and get the shotgun. Snake has disappeared. Or, gun person sees these media people illegally on their property and decides not to fire a gun at a snake in their close proximity. He does not wave the gun at them. The gun is in one hand and the other hand is waving a finger at them. Perhaps DM can't tell the difference between a pointing finger and a gun barrel?

 

[Curious Clues]

The family certainly are victims as well. How could they not be?

At this early stage I would say they are the family of a missing child.

Come on Winy are you going to be a Gary Jubelin again or try and take Ron Iddles ABC approach this time?
Assume nothing
Believe nothing
Check everything

 

[Kurve]

You or someone sees a snake. You go and get the shotgun. Snake has disappeared. Or, gun person sees these media people illegally on their property and decides not to fire a gun at a snake in their close proximity. He does not wave the gun at them. The gun is in one hand and the other hand is waving a finger at them. Perhaps DM can't tell the difference between a pointing finger and a gun barrel?

Having looked at that footage a couple of times, it appeared to me that she raised the gun so the journalists could clearly see it.

I don't want to go picking on these people because they're not suspects (not yet anyway) their grandson is missing and they're under enormous pressure but ... it did look like a threat to my eyes.

 

[31550]

The police are accountable to the public. The media plays a crucial role in that. They can highlight incompetence, misleading police statements, cover-ups etc.

With the 'shotgun for a snake on the veranda' narrative and the subsequent 'stay off the property' order, it seems that SAPOL are trying to avoid independent scrutiny in this investigation.

The police primarily have a duty to Gus to find out what happened to him, and if a crime has been committed, to investigate thoroughly. It doesn't matter whether he is 4 years old or 40 years old. A life is a life. A 4YO child is a human being, not a piece of missing property, and should be respected and trusted as such.
What would happen if a wealthy or influential or high profile person went missing in circumstances like this? Would the response be the same? Same resources? Same lack of information? Same dismissal of the media?

Once again, plenty of advocates for police and the family. No advocates for Gus. Why?