Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Bostonian]

What’s the circumstance?

The loss of a child...

 

[31550]

The loss of a child...

Who would you blame for losing the child?

 

[Cataholic]

The loss of a child...

For sure, if there's been no foul play from within.

 

[Cataholic]

Who would you blame for losing the child?

It's hard to point the finger in too many directions if the narrative is to be believed.

 

[Curious Clues]

The police primarily have a duty to Gus to find out what happened to him, and if a crime has been committed, to investigate thoroughly. It doesn't matter whether he is 4 years old or 40 years old. A life is a life. A 4YO child is a human being, not a piece of missing property, and should be respected and trusted as such.
What would happen if a wealthy or influential or high profile person went missing in circumstances like this? Would the response be the same? Same resources? Same lack of information? Same dismissal of the media?

Once again, plenty of advocates for police and the family. No advocates for Gus. Why?

I agree, and why I’m all for the Daily Mail or any other source digging deep into Gus’ case if they want to. It baffles me why anyone would want to advocate against them finding out information about Gus and the people who were in his life before he disappeared. It’s like the anti media people think we should just feel only sadness for the family and accept it’s ok for people in the outback to have their child disappear, no questions asked.

Imo, one of the only William Tyrrell journos who hasn’t had to hang their head in shame and slink away over the years is Candace Sutton from yes, omg the awful Daily Mail. She has kept us informed and remained objective for William and didn’t side with anyone’s fake charm.

 

[31550]

It's hard to point the finger in too many directions if the narrative is to be believed.

The question is for those who make the accusations of victim blaming, and refer to the family, rather than Gus as victims. If the family are victims of losing a child, then who can they blame but themselves?

 

[Frank Bunn]

I agree, and why I’m all for the Daily Mail or any other source digging deep into Gus’ case if they want to. It baffles me why anyone would want to advocate against them finding out information about Gus and the people who were in his life before he disappeared. It’s like the anti media people think we should just feel only sadness for the family and accept it’s ok for people in the outback to have their child disappear, no questions asked.

Imo, one of the only William Tyrrell journos who hasn’t had to hang their head in shame and slink away over the years is Candace Sutton from yes, omg the awful Daily Mail. She has kept us informed and remained objective for William and didn’t side with anyone’s fake charm.

The Daily Mail is a strange mix of clickbait rubbish and real investigative journalism. It was the DM that had the video of the half-hour attempted forced entry into Dezi Freeman's home, that all other sources were describing as an 'ambush'.

 

[Bostonian]

Who would you blame for losing the child?

Nobody in this case if he unfortunately wandered off.

Because I'd bet he's been outside playing where he was constantly without it ever being an issue previously.

 

[Wallace52]

Was the snake said to be on the verandah?

Yes

 

[Curious Clues]

Nobody in this case if he unfortunately wandered off.

Because I'd bet he's been outside playing where he was constantly without it ever being an issue previously.

Just blame complacency then.

 

[Curious Clues]

The big mistake cops made in hunt for Gus revealed by top private eye

Ken Gamble said one change early on during the search could have shed light on the boy's whereabouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lady O]

Just blame complacency then.

In their defence (if they actually need a defence), this is their home. Aside from the odd snake, which I am sure Gus was well aware should be avoided, there is really no danger in his playing close to the house. However, water is a magnet for kids and the dams still pose the greatest danger to a 4yo. The fact that they are a good distance from the house would be enough to limit the danger of drowning and he has probably been warned not to stray. In fact, he was not known to stray. The chances of a random kidnapper turning up at the house and taking him is so slim as to not even be worth a mention.

 

[norway blue]

You say 'probably', but where is the evidence?

Police have not spoken publicly about any investigative activity, other than the (now) four searches of the property itself.
They have referred to 'outback survival experts', and 'human physiological experts'.
Everything police have done and spoken about publicly relates to "wandering off, getting lost".
Yet ALL the experts agree that there is NO evidence supporting the "wandering off, getting lost" narrative. Nothing. One footprint, believed to be weeks old. No clothing, no scent, no tracks, no remains.

Police say there is no suggestion of foul play. But, IMO all the evidence points to foul play - it's the most likely scenario.

Where is the evidence that police have accounted for every phone ping in the area on the day Gus disappeared (and in the days leading up to his disappearance)? Where is the evidence that Gus was even alive and on the property at 5pm? Or even that day? Or the day before?

If this evidence exists, why not just come out and say, "We have investigated all the people on the property that day, and are satisfied that they are not involved"? That would at least shut down all the speculation which seems to be upsetting people.

Keeping cards close and investigating

 

[dc3]

Exactly. Possibility

Yes this!! We’ve got 3 weeks to cover our tracks

 

[dc3]

Not the same grandmother.

And you know this how? You have no way of knowing whether there was a snake or not. But that country is full of them.
This thread is just getting full of victim blaming and wild conspiracy theories.

Because he isn’t a moron

 

[Percel]

You or someone sees a snake. You go and get the shotgun. Snake has disappeared. Or, gun person sees these media people illegally on their property and decides not to fire a gun at a snake in their close proximity. He does not wave the gun at them. The gun is in one hand and the other hand is waving a finger at them. Perhaps DM can't tell the difference between a pointing finger and a gun barrel?

Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[dc3]

The police primarily have a duty to Gus to find out what happened to him, and if a crime has been committed, to investigate thoroughly. It doesn't matter whether he is 4 years old or 40 years old. A life is a life. A 4YO child is a human being, not a piece of missing property, and should be respected and trusted as such.
What would happen if a wealthy or influential or high profile person went missing in circumstances like this? Would the response be the same? Same resources? Same lack of information? Same dismissal of the media?

Once again, plenty of advocates for police and the family. No advocates for Gus. Why?

Yes but you can walk and chew gum at the same time

Grant Steven’s is a better man than most as much as your spot on that primarily Gus is the focus perception does matter in SA and at the back of his mind he would have to be thinking this is the last thing SAPOL need , another flagship case that they fail to solve.

 

[Curious Clues]

In their defence (if they actually need a defence), this is their home. Aside from the odd snake, which I am sure Gus was well aware should be avoided, there is really no danger in his playing close to the house. However, water is a magnet for kids and the dams still pose the greatest danger to a 4yo. The fact that they are a good distance from the house would be enough to limit the danger of drowning and he has probably been warned not to stray. In fact, he was not known to stray. The chances of a random kidnapper turning up at the house and taking him is so slim as to not even be worth a mention.

Would you say all this if Gus disappeared while he was being looked after poorly by an employed nanny? ‘Oh it’s not their fault, it happened at home’. Bet you wouldn’t!

 

[Lady O]

Would you say all this if Gus disappeared while he was being looked after poorly by an employed nanny? ‘Oh it’s not their fault, it happened at home’. Bet you wouldn’t!

Need I say that there is a difference between a person paid to take care of a child and a grandparent who has the responsibility of their two grandchildren? Regardless, I doubt the result would have been much different. There would, of course, be people who would blame the carer(s) regardless of who they were.

 

[Wallace52]

Would you say all this if Gus disappeared while he was being looked after poorly by an employed nanny? ‘Oh it’s not their fault, it happened at home’. Bet you wouldn’t!

Or if he disappeared whilst at pre school.

 

[Curious Clues]

Need I say that there is a difference between a person paid to take care of a child and a grandparent who has the responsibility of their two grandchildren? Regardless, I doubt the result would have been much different. There would, of course, be people who would blame the carer(s) regardless of who they were.

That’s a bit confusing. It sounds like basically you believe that Gus would have gone missing no matter who was asked to be responsible for his safety. So a grandparent should not be at fault because they are not a paid worker?

If I lost a grandchild on my watch, I can assure you I’m taking full responsibility.

 

[passball]

This needs an IMO.

I wonder where Gus's dad is in all of this and why he hasn't come out and said anything to the media?
Why he hasn't thanked the services looking for his son, that he will continue to search for Gus.
Why is it that all of Gus's family are silent when it comes to their own child/grandchild?
This is why the whole disappearance has become suspicious to the public imo.
When William Tyrrell vanished the public knew there was something odd, something seemed off, they were right.
The foster parents presented themselves as William's parents when in fact they weren't. The media were in on this. I think the lie did affect William's case.
Their faces were hidden in interviews and all we saw was the back off their heads. They are, and continue to be, faceless, continually changing their stories.
The carers were ruled out until years later one wasnt.

I get the same vibe from Gus's family. While it could be, or is, innocent, i don't feel that it is, yet again.
Its the silence. Might be on advise from Police so I'm just saying how it appears to me by what information has been provided.
The mum and Grandmas might be private people but the dad too?
Something feels off.

What do these 2 cases have in common so far? 2 little boys still missing.

All of this is in my opinion.
I'm saying how I view it.
Would love to be wrong.
Snakes on a plane, i mean verandah

 

[Kurve]

This needs an IMO.

I wonder where Gus's dad is in all of this and why he hasn't come out and said anything to the media?
Why he hasn't thanked the services looking for his son, that he will continue to search for Gus.
Why is it that all of Gus's family are silent when it comes to their own child/grandchild?
This is why the whole disappearance has become suspicious to the public imo.
When William Tyrrell vanished the public knew there was something odd, something seemed off, they were right.
The foster parents presented themselves as William's parents when in fact they weren't. The media were in on this. I think the lie did affect William's case.
Their faces were hidden in interviews and all we saw was the back off their heads. They are, and continue to be, faceless, continually changing their stories.
The carers were ruled out until years later one wasnt.

I get the same vibe from Gus's family. While it could be, or is, innocent, i don't feel that it is, yet again.
Its the silence. Might be on advise from Police so I'm just saying how it appears to me by what information has been provided.
The mum and Grandmas might be private people but the dad too?
Something feels off.

What do these 2 cases have in common so far? 2 little boys still missing.

All of this is in my opinion.
I'm saying how I view it.
Would love to be wrong.
Snakes on a plane, i mean verandah

They don't have to say anything and the public can't help at all in the circumstances of a child wandering off on such a massive sheep station.

If that's what has happened, tough, hard nosed farmers in the outback would know there's no point.

 

[Wallace52]

They don't have to say anything and the public can't help at all in the circumstances of a child wandering off on such a massive sheep station.

If that's what has happened, tough, hard nosed farmers in the outback would know there's no point.

There’s no proof Gus wandered off. Nothing, no evidence. No tracks, and one footprint that may have been discounted.

But I think it might be possible that someone might have taken him imo.

They’ve had no cameras or any surveillance at the house up until now-ish.

Anyone could have turned up, taken him, put him in their car and taken off with him.

IMO

How do the Murray family “know” that no one abducted Gus? How do they know?

How do they know they don’t need help from the public?

 

[Kurve]

There’s no proof Gus wandered off. Nothing, no evidence. No tracks, and one footprint that may have been discounted.

But I think it might be possible that someone might have taken him imo.

They’ve had no cameras or any surveillance at the house up until now-ish.

Anyone could have turned up, taken him, put him in their car and taken off with him.

IMO

How do the Murray family “know” that no one abducted Gus? How do they know?

How do they know they don’t need help from the public?

His photo is up everwhere, he's got a head full of curly bright gold hair and a distinctive smile that the public has, who of course if he's spotted anywhere out there, I'd expect he'd be taken straight off the person who's got him and held until the cops get there, taking every opportunity to give them a kick in the ribs. Probably ...

If the cops start focusing on an abduction theory, someone in the family might be advised to do a presser.