Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[CodyRose]

I am not privy to there reason for not engaging a cadaver dog. I simply listed the most likely and logical reasons IMO why they haven't gone down that route. If you don't think those are the reasons, I would be interested to hear your theory as to why they haven't done that.

I am not sure if my maths are correct, but I estimate that covering a 40m sweep, it would take approx 3,100 kms with the dog to do a grid search of a 5km radius. How many KMS can a dog do per day?
Of course, for humans searching on a 2meters grid, it would be about 62,000 kms to cover the same area.

Teaching your grandmother to suck eggs. Why do you think the Police and Search&Rescue have not already done all that? And the family will still be searching as well and no-one knows the area better than them.

What "expert" organisations and people that they could bring are going to magically know more than the personnel and family already there?

Not making excuses for them at all, but they have done everything humanly possible and I just dont think they can learn anything from random internet experts.

Always good to have other viewpoints IMO

 

[CodyRose]

No they haven't. They haven't used cadaver dogs. I don't know why. You don't know why. It is not for economic/financial reasons as you suggested - the SAPOL ADF and SES teams would consume more resources as dog teams. It is not for bureaucratic reasons - it's entirely within SAPOL powers to engage the organisations I mentioned. They may have their reasons, but they haven't made these public. But whatever they have been doing for the past two months hasn't worked, so maybe it's time to try something else. Something which has been proven to work in the past?

I hope the cadaver dogs wouldn't fall down the mine shafts.

 

[CodyRose]

As much as they are taught from a young age, some kids just don't keep their hat on at all times. My 2 grandkids 2 and 4 know it's a must to wear their hats out in the scorching Mallee sun....but gee their hat's come off many times and we are always constantly putting their hat's back on their heads unfortunately.

yes where is the hat?

 

[Underarrest_]

It’s a 60,000 hectare property, not all mine shafts would be on a register for people to know about. Review satellite and drone footage would be a very time resourceful task. The disregard for the police in this thread is astounding.

This is true and it’s not known how long (older or more recent) these shafts have been there neither.

 

[Percel]

It’s a 60,000 hectare property, not all mine shafts would be on a register for people to know about. Review satellite and drone footage would be a very time resourceful task. The disregard for the police in this thread is astounding.

You only have to look at the alleged Ballarat murder to get am appreciation of mineshafts/tunnels etc..no one really mapped these things properly back in the day, only those known to them.
People should back off the coppers when there is no public knowledge of how they’re working through this case.

 

[Curious Clues]

Apparently locals have been wondering why police hadn’t searched in any old mine shafts near the area.

Police drop bombshell in the search for little Gus Lamont

Police will begin searching a series of remote mine shafts in South Australia 's mid-north as the hunt for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont continues, two months after he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[31550]

Apparently locals have been wondering why police hadn’t searched in any old gold mines near the area.

Police drop bombshell in the search for little Gus Lamont

Police will begin searching a series of remote mine shafts in South Australia 's mid-north as the hunt for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont continues, two months after he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ah, the 'Bombshell' headline rears its head for the first time. How long before, "Another bizarre twist in the Gus Saga!" headline?

 

[Kurve]

Major update in search for missing GusView attachment 2484534
https://www.news.com.au/national/so...n/news-story/dc8bf95bb89cce80d7161bdaa12e42b4

I think he might just be found now down one of those mine shafts. How police did t even know of their existence on the property has me frustrated honestly! Solid police work there to only now uncover this detail.

The mineshafts are outside the perimeters of their search, it wasn't expected Gus could have got that far.

Nothing suspicious about the police not knowing. They've done more work obviously and are widening their search, they've had a look and asked a few more questions, now they understand there's mineshafts just outside of their original search area.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

It just occurred to me, regarding him losing his hat and shoes, that people who do not live in Australia may not be aware that Australian children are taught from a very young age that due to our extremely high UV levels they MUST wear a sun protection hat at all times when outside. 'Australia has some of the highest levels of UV radiation in the world –in fact, just 15 minutes of unprotected exposure (when the UV levels are 3 or above) is enough to start to cause damage to your skin.' states the Australian cancer council.
There are no exceptions to this rule with the slogan ' NO HAT NO PLAY' used constantly and The Australian Cancer Councils 'SLIP SLOP SLAP' - slip on a shirt, slop on some sun screen and slap on a hat'. With this in mind, there is a high possibility he would not lose his hat. Also being on a farm, for safety reasons, he was likely wearing shoes that were chosen specifically because would not fall off.

You've obviously never driven or been on a school bus then, little critters are constantly leaving hats behind/losing them.
Most bus companies would have lost property tubs full of school hats.
The #1 lost item of any school kid.

 

[Underarrest_]

Maybe Gus had a string on his hat and just pulled it down instead of off (if he took it off.)

 

[Wallace52]

A dead sheep. They would not even ever find most of them. The ones they do find would just be bone's.
To put this into perspective, an excavator would be 300 approx per hour for a small one. Then mobilisation/demobilisation. Then Min hire fee. $1,000 to bury a sheep. You do not have any experience of life on an outback sheep station.
A sheep is worth about 100 if young. 10 if old. Old ones would be dying every day.
Sheep die by hundreds on that property every year. Just the way it is.
Not an opinion, a fact from my experience from a lifetime on the land.

Where I live, folks will lend one another an excavator for the day to bury a dead animal.

There is no charge.

No I don’t live on an outback sheep station. You’re right.

 

[BonzaRam]

Where I live, folks will lend one another an excavator for the day to bury a dead animal.

There is no charge.

No I don’t live on an outback sheep station. You’re right.

Yes it is not uncommon for farmers to share machinery but i have never heard of any burying one sheep at a time, i guess it could happen though. Horses and sometimes cattle yeah sure.
There is generally an offal pit that smaller animals end up in if they don't end in the belly of scavengers. I worked the land for half my long life...

 

[zedx]

You've obviously never driven or been on a school bus then, little critters are constantly leaving hats behind/losing them.
Most bus companies would have lost property tubs full of school hats.
The #1 lost item of any school kid.

yes, yes, yes. I was just giving one of many plausible reasons why the hat may not have fallen off and so has not been found.

 

[Lady O]

I don't think there was any mention of local gold mines till I suggested that they may have been fossicking for gold with the trommel. Now, all of a sudden, the cops have discovered there are gold mines in the area. Coincidence?? I think not!

 

[passball]

I don't think there was any mention of local gold mines till I suggested that they may have been fossicking for gold with the trommel. Now, all of a sudden, the cops have discovered there are gold mines in the area. Coincidence?? I think not!

I want to know what they were using the trommel for.
Someone said for the lawn but why would you dig a godamn big hole for that.
What is/was going to go where the hole is?

If they don't find Gus in the mine shafts what next do you think?
I have read a theory which makes complete sense to me.
That theory didn't say where Gus has ended up, more about why he became missing

 

[Lady O]

I want to know what they were using the trommel for.
Someone said for the lawn but why would you dig a godamn big hole for that.
What is/was going to go where the hole is?

If they don't find Gus in the mine shafts what next do you think?
I have read a theory which makes complete sense to me.
That theory didn't say where Gus has ended up, more about why he became missing

Not saying they didn't put some of the dirt on the lawn, but I don't think that was the primary purpose. Gold mines close handy. Trommel separates the gravel etc from the gold. Simples!

 

[passball]

Not saying they didn't put some of the dirt on the lawn, but I don't think that was the primary purpose. Gold mines close handy. Trommel separates the gravel etc from the gold. Simples!

I think trommels and gold needs it own thread.
Maybe the locals are keeping the gold on the quiet, god forbid there was a rush to the area.
Probably be a few more snake shootings

 

[Kurve]

This was on October 4th, so I'm not sure why the police now say they had no idea about mines?

Could there be a miracle ending in search for four-year-old who vanished in Australia's Outback? Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive in a well or mine​

Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive

August 'Gus' Lamont vanished from his grandparents' remote Outback homestead, about 25 miles south of Yunta, north-east of Adelaide , on Saturday afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Curious Clues]

Where I live, folks will lend one another an excavator for the day to bury a dead animal.

There is no charge.

No I don’t live on an outback sheep station. You’re right.

They must have some kind of earthmoving equipment or a bucket for a tractor. Some farms own millions of dollars worth of equipment/heavy vehicles. I doubt they made those sand piles with a shovel and wheel barrow.

 

[latinoheat]

I want to know what they were using the trommel for.
Someone said for the lawn but why would you dig a godamn big hole for that.
What is/was going to go where the hole is?

If they don't find Gus in the mine shafts what next do you think?
I have read a theory which makes complete sense to me.
That theory didn't say where Gus has ended up, more about why he became missing

What was your theory?

 

[Underarrest_]

This was on October 4th, so I'm not sure why the police now say they had no idea about mines?

Could there be a miracle ending in search for four-year-old who vanished in Australia's Outback? Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive in a well or mine​

Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive

August 'Gus' Lamont vanished from his grandparents' remote Outback homestead, about 25 miles south of Yunta, north-east of Adelaide , on Saturday afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Maybe they weren’t
aware of these shafts.

 

[CodyRose]

I don't think there was any mention of local gold mines till I suggested that they may have been fossicking for gold with the trommel. Now, all of a sudden, the cops have discovered there are gold mines in the area. Coincidence?? I think not!

They read the websites

 

[passball]

What was your theory?

I dont think I can post it here as I read it elsewhere.
It ties all my strings together, makes sense.
It's sad but there has to be consequences for what might have happened

 

[Kurve]

I dont think I can post it here as I read it elsewhere.
It ties all my strings together, makes sense.
It's sad but there has to be consequences for what might have happened

You can say what the theory is in your own words.

 

[Wallace52]

This was on October 4th, so I'm not sure why the police now say they had no idea about mines?

Could there be a miracle ending in search for four-year-old who vanished in Australia's Outback? Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive in a well or mine​

Police scale back search for boy but admit he MAY still be alive

August 'Gus' Lamont vanished from his grandparents' remote Outback homestead, about 25 miles south of Yunta, north-east of Adelaide , on Saturday afternoon.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I can’t read it because it’s behind a paywall.

What on earth is going on with SAPOL and this case. Truly.