Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Wallace52]

You can say what the theory is in your own words.

I have a theory.

My theory is that Gus was neglected, had an accident and it was covered up to stop the other child from being taken by child services.

IMO

 

[Wallace52]

They must have some kind of earthmoving equipment or a bucket for a tractor. Some farms own millions of dollars worth of equipment/heavy vehicles. I doubt they made those sand piles with a shovel and wheel barrow.

Yeah I would guess the Murrays would have an excavator machine of their own.

If someone on the property dug a large or deep hole near to 27 September 2025, then hopefully SAPOL’s fancy geo imaging equipment (the name of which escapes me!) will have picked up on a large hole having been dug on the property, with the earth being disturbed, but maybe not.

Also, Cadaver dogs can only smell a body to a certain level under the ground.

I can’t imagine their little noses would pick up on a body 6 feet underground.

IMO

 

[Kurve]

I can’t read it because it’s behind a paywall.

What on earth is going on with SAPOL and this case. Truly.

The police had expert advice on where the borders of their search area should be and which is thought to cover how far he could have got.

I think SApol have done everything they can and called for resources we usually don't see, now they're taking the search further out after having "identified' six disused mines.

They're being very thorough imo.

 

[Kurve]

It's a good thing the mine shafts are being investigated, even if they're quite a distance away from where it's proposed he could have walked himself.

If he's in one of them, an autopsy might provide something in the way of how he might have got down there.

 

[shorsky]

It’s a 60,000 hectare property, not all mine shafts would be on a register for people to know about. Review satellite and drone footage would be a very time resourceful task. The disregard for the police in this thread is astounding.

I can only speak for myself when I say there is no disregard for Police. A missing child is something of huge concern, particularly when they are only 4 years old. . and for me that concern doesn’t change be it in the city or the bush, as each demographic has its own specific set of familiarities & challenges.

This particular property has been in GM Shannon’s family for generations, and by marriage quite some 10’s of years ago, GM Josie forged a living & working relationship with the place. Working land owners know every inch of their place, they can every gully, rocky ridge, dry creek & water hole spring.

It’s my guess that these mine shafts were uncovered by the aerial / drone / perhaps lidar inspections that were done a few weeks ago, analytical results of which we’ve been waiting for.

that the search starting today brings results and that Gus can be brought to rest in a place of eternal love and serenity.

 

[shorsky]

The Police Australia wide have earned that disregard

Sad eh. . I don’t envy them their jobs in this age where human life is extinguishable as swatting a fly ( maybe the flies are saying ‘so now you know what it feels like !)

Yes I too get frustrated, annoyed etc at what seems often to be blatant waste of what we’re told are meagre $$ in allocation to investigations, with no measurable results. .. and I’ll suggest that most of the investigators on those teams (who are stretched to the max handling who knows how many cases ) feel exactly the same way.

Most of the Gov departments in Aus need a broom through them - cut the bureaucracy and allocate the funds to doing what the department is set up to do IMO … lol, if only they asked for my opinion

 

[Frank Bunn]

The police had expert advice on where the borders of their search area should be and which is thought to cover how far he could have got.

I think SApol have done everything they can and called for resources we usually don't see, now they're taking the search further out after having "identified' six disused mines.

They're being very thorough imo.

I don't have a lot of confidence in the competency of SA police.

They were slammed by the coroner of the nearby Bullyaninnie incident.
They claim to have done everything right but then they did some reviews which suggested they missed a few things.
Josie Murray was clearly using a shotgun to intimidate a reporter, which is a criminal offence. But SApol defended her and warned other reporters from investigating.
The press conference with cops getting beard trims in the background was bizarre.

 

[31550]

The police had expert advice on where the borders of their search area should be and which is thought to cover how far he could have got.

Yes but that expert advice was from a survivalist expert and a human (child) behaviour expert only. Not an expert criminologist or investigator. With the starting premise that Gus wandered off on foot.

It's a basic assumption which may be false. Tunnel vision.

What if there was foul play? Abduction? Human intervention?

The search area needed to be expanded to cover places Gus may have been taken to by someone else. It didn't, and still hasn't.
IMO.

 

[passball]

I don't have a lot of confidence in the competency of SA police.

They were slammed by the coroner of the nearby Bullyaninnie incident.
They claim to have done everything right but then they did some reviews which suggested they missed a few things.
Josie Murray was clearly using a shotgun to intimidate a reporter, which is a criminal offence. But SApol defended her and warned other reporters from investigating.
The press conference with cops getting beard trims in the background was bizarre.

If they don't find Gus in this search maybe they should look at Bullyaninnie.
Hope this place is one of their avenues of investigations

 

[Wallace52]

I don't have a lot of confidence in the competency of SA police.

They were slammed by the coroner of the nearby Bullyaninnie incident.

It was embarrassing the way the Coroner unpacked their many, many shortcomings.

They claim to have done everything right but then they did some reviews which suggested they missed a few things.
Josie Murray was clearly using a shotgun to intimidate a reporter, which is a criminal offence. But SApol defended her and warned other reporters from investigating.

Exactly and why?

Since when is it the police’s job to defend criminals and run interference for them? It’s scary that Josie is still able to use her weapons. She should have been charged as imo she’s clearly a danger in that regard.

The press conference with cops getting beard trims in the background was bizarre.

Wasn’t it! <BBM>

Like what on earth was that about?

 

[CodyRose]

Yeah I would guess the Murrays would have an excavator machine of their own.

If someone on the property dug a large or deep hole near to 27 September 2025, then hopefully SAPOL’s fancy geo imaging equipment (the name of which escapes me!) will have picked up on a large hole having been dug on the property, with the earth being disturbed, but maybe not.

Also, Cadaver dogs can only smell a body to a certain level under the ground.

I can’t imagine their little noses would pick up on a body 6 feet underground.

IMO

Lets hope they have long camera's

 

[CodyRose]

It's a good thing the mine shafts are being investigated, even if they're quite a distance away from where it's proposed he could have walked himself.

If he's in one of them, an autopsy might provide something in the way of how he might have got down there.

Poor little fella

 

[passball]

I have a theory.

My theory is that Gus was neglected, had an accident and it was covered up to stop the other child from being taken by child services.

IMO

Amongst other things

 

[Earls Smother]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

 

[Collie_wobbles]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

What post was that?

 

[MP_]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

 

[Underarrest_]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

The game?

 

[31550]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

Aliens?

 

[theouthouse]

The pic posted recently showed a supposedly 'fresh' pile of dirt. Do you think they are/were actively prospecting as well as running sheep? Has anyone found any gold of significance in the area in recent years? Might explain the 'lack of hospitality' shown towards strangers. But I don't see any prospecting / processing equipment around anywhere.

If there are historical diggings there is the possibility there are mine shafts on the property, which would all also be worth investigating with GPR or cadaver dogs.

In SA all the gold belongs to the state so with non mining permits gold is only able to be kept and not sold.

"Dirt" piles most likely for road maintenance or some form of property tidiness.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I think there is one post in this thread that provides a massive clue as to what has happened.

Yet hardly anyone seemed interested?

I don't think that poster was serious when they wondered if William Tyrell had kidnapped Gus.

 

[31550]

You only have to look at the alleged Ballarat murder to get am appreciation of mineshafts/tunnels etc..no one really mapped these things properly back in the day, only those known to them.
People should back off the coppers when there is no public knowledge of how they’re working through this case.

"Back off the coppers" IMO is a little strong IMO. (Not 'champworthy', mind )

Nobody AFAIK actually criticised any police. What people have done is question and challenge their methods, processes and priorities. The police on the scene and doing the actual work are only following orders and doing as they are directed by Command. The strategic decisions as to which direction the investigation heads, timing, resources, and priorities are all set by a handful of folks well up the food chain. Dare I suggest there is a little bit of political influence in how these decisions are made? They are not made by the folks on the ground.

But SAPOL (meaning the entire force) is accountable to the people of South Australia. Agree there is no detailed "public knowledge of how they are working through the case". But the public are entitled to know (generally) how their money is being spent, so they can be assured it is spent wisely, without compromising the integrity of ongoing investigations, of course. The public statements such as, "We don't suspect foul play", are not particularly reassuring without any further explanations. If you cant say why, then don't say it at all. E.g. "We are pursuing all possible lines of enquiry, and won't be commenting on specific theories or internal processes in an ongoing investigation."

Probably, nobody directed the ground force to identify mineshafts, map them or search them. That's why they didn't do it initially, even though some folks may have known of their existence.

The fish rots from the head down.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

"Back off the coppers" IMO is a little strong IMO. (Not 'champworthy', mind )

Nobody AFAIK actually criticised any police. What people have done is question and challenge their methods, processes and priorities. The police on the scene and doing the actual work are only following orders and doing as they are directed by Command. The strategic decisions as to which direction the investigation heads, timing, resources, and priorities are all set by a handful of folks well up the food chain. Dare I suggest there is a little bit of political influence in how these decisions are made? They are not made by the folks on the ground.

But SAPOL (meaning the entire force) is accountable to the people of South Australia. Agree there is no detailed "public knowledge of how they are working through the case". But the public are entitled to know (generally) how their money is being spent, so they can be assured it is spent wisely, without compromising the integrity of ongoing investigations, of course. The public statements such as, "We don't suspect foul play", are not particularly reassuring without any further explanations. If you cant say why, then don't say it at all. E.g. "We are pursuing all possible lines of enquiry, and won't be commenting on specific theories or internal processes in an ongoing investigation."

Probably, nobody directed the ground force to identify mineshafts, map them or search them. That's why they didn't do it initially, even though some folks may have known of their existence.

The fish rots from the head down.

Maybe the next time the Victorian police commissioner goes on a weekend jaunt he and his wife could visit Yunta and do a helicopter search.

 

[Wallace52]

Probably, nobody directed the ground force to identify mineshafts, map them or search them. That's why they didn't do it initially, even though some folks may have known of their existence.

The fish rots from the head down.

It’s embarrassing. IMO

And it’s not like one individual officer but as you said, it’s coming from the top.

 

[Cataholic]

Apparently locals have been wondering why police hadn’t searched in any old mine shafts near the area.

Police drop bombshell in the search for little Gus Lamont

Police will begin searching a series of remote mine shafts in South Australia 's mid-north as the hunt for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont continues, two months after he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It seems odd the police have only just become aware of these mineshafts.

Have they deliberately or inadvertently failed to interact with the locals to glean local knowledge, or have they ignored what they were told, until now?

 

[Earls Smother]

What post was that?

Post #1626

It seems very specific to look at 6 mines, with 6.5km between the nearest and furthest.

I think they will be all in a line which corresponds roughly with the route driven by Jess and Josie on the afternoon of 27/9. This line will probably head out past the dam that was fully drained.

It has probably taken LE time to analyse the drone data to a) confirm the route driven (I'm assuming there would be telltale signs), and b) determine where the mines close to that route are.