Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

Obviously needs sign-off from higher up bureaucrats in two states. Very costly. Police do not believe any crime has been committed.
Those would be the main reasons it hasn't happened.

No states have "teams of dogs and handlers". Just one and where would they start the dog? They have to be in the close vicinity to alert on a body. 30-40 meters.
They have no idea where he initially wandered, which direction and how far. So it would be a needle in the haystack situation.

They have already engaged the SES and ADF. Even if no crime has been committed, there is still a body to recover. Does not require any additional bureaucracy - there are organisations such as SARDA https://www.sarda.net.au/ and ASAR-K9 https://asark9.com.au/ which can provide resources. So, those proposed reasons are not valid.
They have already identified places of interest to be searched. As stated before, I would begin with buildings and man-made structures. Go over all vehicles and machinery. Then follow roads, trails and watercourses leading away from the homestead. It really isn't that complicated. These organisations, people and dogs are experts. They will know what to do.

Why so apologetic for SAPOL when they have turned up donuts in almost two months?

 

[Curious Clues]

I would like to know if Gus’ parents and grandparents were taken to the nearest police station and had separate recorded formal interviews by a cop who knows how to do proper interrogations.
Surely no police force in Australia is going to replicate the mistakes of William Tyrrell’s investigation.

 

[Wallace52]

I would like to know if Gus’ parents and grandparents were taken to the nearest police station and had separate recorded formal interviews by a cop who knows how to do proper interrogations.
Surely no police force in Australia is going to replicate the mistakes of William Tyrrell’s investigation.

No, I shouldn’t say so.

IMO

**surely, not.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Fresh dirt.
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Needs to be flattened. Plus the pile where he was playing.

 

[BonzaRam]

On any farm, there is so much that can go wrong. As an aside, it appears they dont have power there and only a couple of solar panels. That means there is a big generator in one of those buildings powering the homestead complex.

In the photo Lady O posted i can see at least 4 solar panels on the left (that building maybe be for battery storage), not sure if that is a solar array at back of all the buildings in center of photo but it looks like one. The two on the main house are hot water not power, but yeah they will have a generator somewhere as back up at least.

 

[Lady O]

Needs to be flattened. Plus the pile where he was playing.

I haven't been keeping up with all the posts, do you know what all the dirt is about? Are they doing some fossicking?

 

[passball]

"Gamble suggested that during the initial search, police could have underestimated the distance the four-year-old was able to travel by foot.

By the time the search area was expanded, the private investigator theorised Gus may have sought shelter in a difficult-to-reach location that searchers missed.

'I would have searched in a much wider range than two kilometers', Gamble said."

Well, isn't he just the expert?... Dont know how the Police get anything done without him.

Mostly click bait. I dont see any mention of the grand-parents in that article. Where does it say they just peace and quiet? Who can blame them? They will spend the rest of their days searching that property for his body, always looking, always wondering. His death will cast a shadow over that family for a generation.

Why do you think the DM is doing a good job, stirring up public sentiment against the family in their quest for a headline.

The public are watching
Too many kids have disappeared and are are still missing in South Australia.
A lot connected to a not nice 'child loving' people.
There is no information coming out apart from the Daily Mail who seem to be trying everything to get answers which the public are asking.
They aren't stirring up anything, they are asking questions to get some truth.
What are your thoughts with the media in the William Tyrrell case? Were they stirring up anything?
Foster carers were not his parents

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I haven't been keeping up with all the posts, do you know what all the dirt is about? Are they doing some fossicking?

I don’t know. It just seems to me that a heap of dirt should be investigated and not dismissed because “the dogs didn’t smell anything “.

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t know. It just seems to me that a heap of dirt should be investigated and not dismissed because “the dogs didn’t smell anything “.

Quite. Maybe it should be sifted through, the way that Strike Force Roseann sifted through the soil underneath the veranda at Benaroon Drive.

IMO

 

[Lady O]

I don’t know. It just seems to me that a heap of dirt should be investigated and not dismissed because “the dogs didn’t smell anything “.

Should have googled it: "Yanta was an early spelling. In 1866 the district was known as part of the Tattawappa and Yanta Run.[11] Yunta township was established in 1887 after the discovery of gold at the nearby diggings at Teetulpa and Waukaringa, when more than 5,000 miners made their way through here."

So that probably explains the piles of dirt.

 

[31550]

Should have googled it: "Yanta was an early spelling. In 1866 the district was known as part of the Tattawappa and Yanta Run.[11] Yunta township was established in 1887 after the discovery of gold at the nearby diggings at Teetulpa and Waukaringa, when more than 5,000 miners made their way through here."

So that probably explains the piles of dirt.

The pic posted recently showed a supposedly 'fresh' pile of dirt. Do you think they are/were actively prospecting as well as running sheep? Has anyone found any gold of significance in the area in recent years? Might explain the 'lack of hospitality' shown towards strangers. But I don't see any prospecting / processing equipment around anywhere.

If there are historical diggings there is the possibility there are mine shafts on the property, which would all also be worth investigating with GPR or cadaver dogs.

 

[31550]

I would like to know if Gus’ parents and grandparents were taken to the nearest police station and had separate recorded formal interviews by a cop who knows how to do proper interrogations.
Surely no police force in Australia is going to replicate the mistakes of William Tyrrell’s investigation.

SAPOL have done some things differently in this case.

• Public have been discouraged from participating in search activities. This prevents evidence at the scene being compromised, but also impedes the progress of the search.
• Gus's parents and carers have been publicly named and identified.
• No public appearance by or on behalf of the parents (except for the enigmatic statement from Bill Harbison).
• Only one photo of Gus released, not current, and not in the clothing he was allegedly wearing.
• Public declaration that there is no suspicion of foul play

But some things appear to be the same.

• No immediate quarantine of crime scene
• No immediate or thorough forensic examination of crime scene, persons present, vehicles, buildings, computers, devices etc.
• (Apparently) no separation of witnesses to obtain independent statements or alibis
• Initial adoption of the "little boy lost" scenario as the primary theory

 

[passball]

The pic posted recently showed a supposedly 'fresh' pile of dirt. Do you think they are/were actively prospecting as well as running sheep? Has anyone found any gold of significance in the area in recent years? Might explain the 'lack of hospitality' shown towards strangers. But I don't see any prospecting / processing equipment around anywhere.

If there are historical diggings there is the possibility there are mine shafts on the property, which would all also be worth investigating with GPR or cadaver dogs.

There’s the trommel thing, left hand side of the dirt/sand/sandpit mound where Gus was digging.

Where was he playing?
Did Grandma say in the sand? Did she say sandpit? Did she say sand or dirt?
There's a few mounds of dirt so which one?
We don't even know exactly where Gus was at 5pm. Have Police stood at the space and said he was last seen here?

 

[passball]

Maybe Police just need cadaver dogs on ALL the vehicles and a thorough forensic on ALL of them.
Be much easier doing that sooner than later. Don't want to have to track a vehicle years that's been given to a family member or friend of a friend

 

[Lady O]

There’s the trommel thing, left hand side of the dirt/sand/sandpit mound where Gus was digging.

Where was he playing?
Did Grandma say in the sand? Did she say sandpit? Did she say sand or dirt?
There's a few mounds of dirt so which one?
We don't even know exactly where Gus was at 5pm. Have Police stood at the space and said he was last seen here?

Trommel is a rotating cylinder with holes that acts like a classifier, allowing only gold materials to pass through the holes, while the large materials go out of the machine.


It is used for mining operations of all sizes, but the main purpose is to separate gold by removing large pebbles, boulders and rocks.


The procedure starts when the gold bearing material enters the rotating drum. The rotating drum is mainly constructed of screen material, which allows the smaller gravel to fall freely into the sluice box.


The combination of rotating drum and high-pressure water enables the machine to break any dirt and clay inside the rotating drum. This action continues until the material is broken into small gold bearing pieces that can exit the gold trommel through the cylinder holes.(Robinson, 2014).


As the gold bearing material gets run through the drum, the smaller particles are able to flow through the screen material with which the drum is made, and then the material proceeds to the sluice box or even other systems of operation. The larger rocks run all the way through the trommel and are discarded(Nuggets, 2018).


The trommel itself does not separate out the gold. It is simply used to help separate and classify out the material for further process. On larger operations, the trommel is generally incorporated into an entire wash plant setup, so that the smaller material that drops through the trommel is run through is simple sluice system to capture the heaviest materials and discharge the lighter sands(How Does a Gold Trommel Work? Basic Mining Equipment Building, n.d.).

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Trommel is a rotating cylinder with holes that acts like a classifier, allowing only gold materials to pass through the holes, while the large materials go out of the machine.


It is used for mining operations of all sizes, but the main purpose is to separate gold by removing large pebbles, boulders and rocks.


The procedure starts when the gold bearing material enters the rotating drum. The rotating drum is mainly constructed of screen material, which allows the smaller gravel to fall freely into the sluice box.


The combination of rotating drum and high-pressure water enables the machine to break any dirt and clay inside the rotating drum. This action continues until the material is broken into small gold bearing pieces that can exit the gold trommel through the cylinder holes.(Robinson, 2014).


As the gold bearing material gets run through the drum, the smaller particles are able to flow through the screen material with which the drum is made, and then the material proceeds to the sluice box or even other systems of operation. The larger rocks run all the way through the trommel and are discarded(Nuggets, 2018).


The trommel itself does not separate out the gold. It is simply used to help separate and classify out the material for further process. On larger operations, the trommel is generally incorporated into an entire wash plant setup, so that the smaller material that drops through the trommel is run through is simple sluice system to capture the heaviest materials and discharge the lighter sands(How Does a Gold Trommel Work? Basic Mining Equipment Building, n.d.).

Thats its use in prospecting, a trommel can also be used to simply separate soil from stone which appears to be the case for the one in question.
Its just a mechanical sieve.

 

[Lady O]

"Situated near Yunta in the Flinders Ranges region of South Australia, Teetulpa experienced a gold rush in October 1868, following the discovery of gold by Thomas Brady and Thomas Smith. By 1868, there were reportedly 5,000 miners on the goldfield. In a typical pattern of goldfields’ settlement, Teetulpa rapidly became a densely populated frontier goldfield town during the brief initial phase of the rush and returned to a more sedentary pattern of life by the early 1890s.
Although gold yields were small by national and international standards, Teetulpa is important in terms of South Australian history as, in the late 1880s, it was briefly the most profitable field in the colony. Although it was not a remote goldfield, diggers faced difficult conditions as a result of a lack of water and firewood, and in some instances had to resort to the dry blowing technique of gold mining (also used on the Western Australian goldfields)."

Teetulpa, SA - Place - Electronic Encyclopedia of Gold in Australia

www.egold.net.au

Quite possible that people might have been searching for gold on Oak Park, which is not far away.

 

[MP_]

"Situated near Yunta in the Flinders Ranges region of South Australia, Teetulpa experienced a gold rush in October 1868, following the discovery of gold by Thomas Brady and Thomas Smith. By 1868, there were reportedly 5,000 miners on the goldfield. In a typical pattern of goldfields’ settlement, Teetulpa rapidly became a densely populated frontier goldfield town during the brief initial phase of the rush and returned to a more sedentary pattern of life by the early 1890s.
Although gold yields were small by national and international standards, Teetulpa is important in terms of South Australian history as, in the late 1880s, it was briefly the most profitable field in the colony. Although it was not a remote goldfield, diggers faced difficult conditions as a result of a lack of water and firewood, and in some instances had to resort to the dry blowing technique of gold mining (also used on the Western Australian goldfields)."

Teetulpa, SA - Place - Electronic Encyclopedia of Gold in Australia

www.egold.net.au

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Quite possible that people might have been searching for gold on Oak Park, which is not far away.

Yeah when you look at the property from google imagery you can see plenty of river/creeks running through it from the ranges nearby, there’s gold in them hills

 

[passball]

I would like to know if Gus’ parents and grandparents were taken to the nearest police station and had separate recorded formal interviews by a cop who knows how to do proper interrogations.
Surely no police force in Australia is going to replicate the mistakes of William Tyrrell’s investigation.

Id like to know that too.
I feel like the mum, dad, and the Grandmas haven't been ASKED to go to the police station, away from Oak Park Station, and been questioned individually.
Don't know why I get that feeling, probably because I feel they are making the same mistakes

 

[passball]

"Situated near Yunta in the Flinders Ranges region of South Australia, Teetulpa experienced a gold rush in October 1868, following the discovery of gold by Thomas Brady and Thomas Smith. By 1868, there were reportedly 5,000 miners on the goldfield. In a typical pattern of goldfields’ settlement, Teetulpa rapidly became a densely populated frontier goldfield town during the brief initial phase of the rush and returned to a more sedentary pattern of life by the early 1890s.
Although gold yields were small by national and international standards, Teetulpa is important in terms of South Australian history as, in the late 1880s, it was briefly the most profitable field in the colony. Although it was not a remote goldfield, diggers faced difficult conditions as a result of a lack of water and firewood, and in some instances had to resort to the dry blowing technique of gold mining (also used on the Western Australian goldfields)."

Teetulpa, SA - Place - Electronic Encyclopedia of Gold in Australia

www.egold.net.au

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Quite possible that people might have been searching for gold on Oak Park, which is not far away.

I looked up trommels when someone here mentioned what it was by name.
There's a lot of interest looking for gold, i was really surprised how popular it is.
A lot of work and time for a tiny, tiny, tiny nugget but they seem to make money off it

 

[Curious Clues]

I can’t get the link to load sorry, but there’s an interesting new podcast episode with Karleigh Smith from DM and PI Ken Gamble.
The podcast is called “The Trial Australian Edition” Episode name - New details in the mystery of Gus Lamont.

 

[Underarrest_]

I can’t get the link to load sorry, but there’s an interesting new podcast episode with Karleigh Smith from DM and PI Ken Gamble.
The podcast is called “The Trial Australian Edition” Episode name - New details in the mystery of Gus Lamont.

 

[passball]

I wonder if the rumour that the Murray's are thinking about selling up are true. Was this in their plans before Gus's disappearance?

 

[passball]

I have been thinking, and this is in case there was foul play involved, which i will point out the police at this time have said there is not.
How likely would it be that Gus would be buried on the property?
I would think he would be buried elsewhere

 

[dc3]

I wonder if the rumour that the Murray's are thinking about selling up are true. Was this in their plans before Gus's disappearance?

This cases gets worse on the nose as every day passes

The silence will only get more deafening in coming weeks Schoolies, into Xmas and new years

By Australia Day little Gus will just become another cold case sapol
Have failed at