Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Wallace52]

Sad eh. . I don’t envy them their jobs in this age where human life is extinguishable as swatting a fly ( maybe the flies are saying ‘so now you know what it feels like !)

Yes I too get frustrated, annoyed etc at what seems often to be blatant waste of what we’re told are meagre $$ in allocation to investigations, with no measurable results. .. and I’ll suggest that most of the investigators on those teams (who are stretched to the max handling who knows how many cases ) feel exactly the same way.

Most of the Gov departments in Aus need a broom through them - cut the bureaucracy and allocate the funds to doing what the department is set up to do IMO … lol, if only they asked for my opinion

I keep saying the police could interview Josh, Jess, Josie or Shannon for free.
It doesn’t have to cost anything to ask Josh for an alibi, for example.

Why don’t they do the cost effective policing first before throwing millions of dollars draining dams and going down shafts?

IMO

 

[Wallace52]

When child custody is in question, sometimes a parent may be given custody of a child/children, but not necessarly another offspring. When support agencies are involved in 'at risk' situations, it can be very challenging to monitor any arrangements, much more so in remote areas.

So which child was Jess allowed to care for? Ronnie or Gus?

I wonder if she’s in one of those 6 month programs where you go into a facility with an infant and the government observes you parent.

I know there are units in Sydney, maybe in Adelaide too?

It’s a good way of keeping that mother child diad strong but with less risk to the child.

IMO

 

[the_navyblue]

I get that people are frustrated by the lack of information coming from SAPOL but I don`t see too much in that apart from standard police communication when there is an ongoing case. Even if there is suspicion of any family member/s, it`s not unusual for the police to refrain from commenting.

This is such an unusual case and the police cannot be publicly speculating on foul play if that is a consideration. There is also the matter of the police dealing with the family - the public isn`t privy to that and rightly so. I think society`s become too used to the idea that everything has to be aired out thanks to the ubiquity of social media, influencers, people telling confidential information online to just about anybody who looks at a video, a forum, X, Instagram, Tick Tock, etc.

While I agree there is a hands off approach to Josie behaving like she`s in frontier days and that should not be the case, SAPOL have enough to do regarding finding out what happened to Gus without dealing with that incident at the present time.

I don`t agree that the head is rotten - Commissioner Grant Stevens is a decent man and is known for damping down situations rather than adding fuel to any fires.

He also experienced directly a family tragedy not long ago in losing his own son Charlie, a needless incident that has left many baffled as to why the lad responsible for recklessly driving at him on a road with bad lighting simply got the suspension of his driver`s licence and has been given the privilege of being able to hang around in Australia with his mother`s side of the family.

He is a Malaysian national and some of us think a fitting punishment for the crime of causing the loss of a life regardless of the fact he didn`t intend to do that, would have been to cancel the lad`s permission to live here. Taking away the privilege of living in Australia after you`ve done something from which there is no return for Charlie and his family would have fit the fact that another young man`s life was lost.

Yes it was young lads behaving irresponsibly but when you are in charge of a vehicle that can cause injury and death, you must be held accountable for that loss of life. Enough of that but I don`t think Grant Stevens deserves to be blamed for the failure to find Gus so far especially in terms of the tragedy he and his family have experienced.

 

[DropBearess]

I get that people are frustrated by the lack of information coming from SAPOL but I don`t see too much in that apart from standard police communication when there is an ongoing case. Even if there is suspicion of any family member/s, it`s not unusual for the police to refrain from commenting.

This is such an unusual case and the police cannot be publicly speculating on foul play if that is a consideration. There is also the matter of the police dealing with the family - the public isn`t privy to that and rightly so. I think society`s become too used to the idea that everything has to be aired out thanks to the ubiquity of social media, influencers, people telling confidential information online to just about anybody who looks at a video, a forum, X, Instagram, Tick Tock, etc.

While I agree there is a hands off approach to Josie behaving like she`s in frontier days and that should not be the case, SAPOL have enough to do regarding finding out what happened to Gus without dealing with that incident at the present time.

I don`t agree that the head is rotten - Commissioner Grant Stevens is a decent man and is known for damping down situations rather than adding fuel to any fires.

He also experienced directly a family tragedy not long ago in losing his own son Charlie, a needless incident that has left many baffled as to why the lad responsible for recklessly driving at him on a road with bad lighting simply got the suspension of his driver`s licence and has been given the privilege of being able to hang around in Australia with his family.

He is a Malaysian national and some of us think a fitting punishment for the crime of causing the loss of a life regardless of the fact he didn`t intend to do that, would have been to cancel the lad`s permission to live here. Taking away the privilege of living in Australia after you`ve done something from which there is no return for Charlie and his family would have fit the fact that another young man`s life was lost.

Yes it was young lads behaving irresponsibly but when you are in charge of a vehicle that can cause injury and death, you must be held accountable for that loss of life. Enough of that but I don`t think Grant Stevens deserves to be blamed for the failure to find Gus so far especially in terms of the tragedy he and his family have experienced.

I absolutely agree! I trust SAPOL under Grant Stevens. I believe he is an authentic man who cannot be everywhere at once.

I believe deportation should be a consequence when people from other countries disrespect the privelege of living here.

Not affiliated with SAPOL in any way.

 

[the_navyblue]

I absolutely agree! I trust SAPOL under Grant Stevens. I believe he is an authentic man who cannot be everywhere at once.

I believe deportation should be a consequence when people from other countries disrespect the privelege of living here.

Yes, and the lad in this situation is from affluent circumstances, doesn`t seem to have had any reasons other than a good lawyer and living with Mum to excuse being reckless in a vehicle to the point that he took a life and yet received no kind of justice equivalent to that. Of course he has to live knowing he caused Charlie`s death, I`m sure he`s sorry for it but I am sure with his background he will do that and do nicely out of life.

Charlie`s father, mother, siblings, other family have to live with Charlie`s needless death every day. The price of a life gone is being suspended from driving. A terrible judgement.

 

[31550]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

 

[Curious Clues]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

Police Commissioner Grant Stevens also says officers are open to ‘any possibilities’, so go figure

 

[the_navyblue]

I absolutely agree! I trust SAPOL under Grant Stevens. I believe he is an authentic man who cannot be everywhere at once.

I believe deportation should be a consequence when people from other countries disrespect the privelege of living here.

Not affiliated with SAPOL in any way.

I`m also not affiliated with SAPOL in any way nor with Grant Stevens/his family.

 

[MP_]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

They suspect he wandered off

 

[Curious Clues]

Just want to say I really feel for the brave police crew on this current search. Risking their lives to try and find Gus’ little body down mineshafts. So incredibly sad for all if they find him Hope they stay safe out there.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I know the veracity of sources is always questionable unless proveable, but my source is usually valid and reliable. When child custody is in question, sometimes a parent may be given custody of a child/children, but not necessarly another offspring. When support agencies are involved in 'at risk' situations, it can be very challenging to monitor any arrangements, much more so in remote areas. Family services are already in disarray in cities, with workers sometimes never seeing a child for months, sometimes never.

You said you heard from two different reliable sources that his mother, Jess, was not meant to be anywhere near Gus without supervision. What is the background to that?

The claim is that she was working 10km away when Gus disappeared. Where was she living, if not at the homestead?

 

[Raisedeyebrow]

Gus Lamont update: Police find no trace of missing boy Gus Lamont after first day of mine shaft search

So the mineshafts aren’t on the family property.

I’m not so sure of that. This article doesn’t implicitly say the shafts are not on their property. It describes their distance from the homestead.

 

[Earls Smother]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

They are not publicly going to say that until they have direct evidence. Either categorically supporting foul play, or, they get to the stage where they can categorically rule out every other option.

Unlike William Tyrell for example, the property is simply too big to get to the point where they can say he is definitely not lost. I'm sure they have strongly suspected that for some time, but what advantage is there to publicly say that? It just creates a MSM and SM shitstorm.

With the Greg Lynn case, the police knew a lot more than was publicly revealed. The media was obsessed with the "run off to elope" theory, while the police were quietly working on suspected double murder. It suited them, until it didn't, to let it play out that way.

My opinion is, they only drained the dam looking for a weighted down body. If he had wandered in there, there had to be footprints at the edge and the body should have floated. They are now searching mines up to 12 km away. How would Gus have walked 12 km from the homestead without leaving a single sign? They haven't just focused on the closest mine (5.5 km) first, they have identified 6 specific mines. Why aren't they radiating out slowly, looking at all mines that he more likely would have reached? There can only be one explanation for that.

There were 3 adults present at the property. 2 of them went for a drive on the afternoon of 27/9. Just so happens it coincides with when he went missing. But the police can't just say "we reckon this happened", they need to prove who did what. If we are getting ongoing updates, then so is/are the offender/s.

 

[Underarrest_]

I’m not so sure of that. This article doesn’t implicitly say the shafts are not on their property. It describes their distance from the homestead.

Watch the video.The reporter clearly states this. I don’t know what it means.

 

[31550]

They are not publicly going to say that until they have direct evidence. Either categorically supporting foul play, or, they get to the stage where they can categorically rule out every other option.

Unlike William Tyrell for example, the property is simply too big to get to the point where they can say he is definitely not lost. I'm sure they have strongly suspected that for some time, but what advantage is there to publicly say that? It just creates a MSM and SM shitstorm.

With the Greg Lynn case, the police knew a lot more than was publicly revealed. The media was obsessed with the "run off to elope" theory, while the police were quietly working on suspected double murder. It suited them, until it didn't, to let it play out that way.

My opinion is, they only drained the dam looking for a weighted down body. If he had wandered in there, there had to be footprints at the edge and the body should have floated. They are now searching mines up to 12 km away. How would Gus have walked 12 km from the homestead without leaving a single sign? They haven't just focused on the closest mine (5.5 km) first, they have identified 6 specific mines. Why aren't they radiating out slowly, looking at all mines that he more likely would have reached? There can only be one explanation for that.

There were 3 adults present at the property. 2 of them went for a drive on the afternoon of 27/9. Just so happens it coincides with when he went missing. But the police can't just say "we reckon this happened", they need to prove who did what. If we are getting ongoing updates, then so is/are the offender/s.

They have repeated that there is no evidence which suggests foul play. Yet they are concentrating their search on 6 mineshafts, off the property, and from 5km to 12km away. The experts advising police have said it's unlikely Gus walked more than 5km from the property.
How do we reconcile the actions with the words?
How does Gus end up in a mineshaft off the property and 12km away without foul play?

 

[Earls Smother]

Watch the video.The reporter clearly states this. I don’t know what it means.

Well it certainly confirms that they are all in one direction.

Might make the "tending to sheep" story on the afternoon of 27/9 a bit harder to explain.

 

[MP_]

They are not publicly going to say that until they have direct evidence. Either categorically supporting foul play, or, they get to the stage where they can categorically rule out every other option.

Unlike William Tyrell for example, the property is simply too big to get to the point where they can say he is definitely not lost. I'm sure they have strongly suspected that for some time, but what advantage is there to publicly say that? It just creates a MSM and SM shitstorm.

With the Greg Lynn case, the police knew a lot more than was publicly revealed. The media was obsessed with the "run off to elope" theory, while the police were quietly working on suspected double murder. It suited them, until it didn't, to let it play out that way.

My opinion is, they only drained the dam looking for a weighted down body. If he had wandered in there, there had to be footprints at the edge and the body should have floated. They are now searching mines up to 12 km away. How would Gus have walked 12 km from the homestead without leaving a single sign? They haven't just focused on the closest mine (5.5 km) first, they have identified 6 specific mines. Why aren't they radiating out slowly, looking at all mines that he more likely would have reached? There can only be one explanation for that.

There were 3 adults present at the property. 2 of them went for a drive on the afternoon of 27/9. Just so happens it coincides with when he went missing. But the police can't just say "we reckon this happened", they need to prove who did what. If we are getting ongoing updates, then so is/are the offender/s.

Agree with your comments about the dam, a friend of mine reckons the dam draining was to find potential evidence, not necessarily a body but evidence as to why they haven’t found the body. I’m started to be swayed that the outcome is more sinister than I was hoping.

 

[zedx]

Explain the logic behind the public assertion, "We do not suspect foul play" then.

What do they suspect?

They cannot make a public statement laying the blame on any one until they have solid evidence of such. look at the Perth WA Corryn Rayney case where the office stated the husband was the main suspect on live TV. The officer was crucified!!

 

[Underarrest_]

Well it certainly confirms that they are all in one direction.

Might make the "tending to sheep" story on the afternoon of 27/9 a bit harder to explain.

Where would the shafts be though?
Off the road leading to the homestead?
The distance of 5.5 to 12 kms is too small to be a neighbouring station.
There’s another home seen near the property. Has there been a sub division?
Hard to know where police are searching and what the reporter means by the shafts are not on the family property.
I guess as long as the police know where they are but it would be interesting to know where they’re searching.

 

[winyhill]

Where would the shafts be though?
Off the road leading to the homestead?
The distance of 5.5 to 12 kms is too small to be a neighbouring station.
There’s another home seen near the property. Has there been a sub division?
Hard to know where police are searching and what the reporter means by the shafts are not on the family property.
I guess as long as the police know where they are but it would be interesting to know where they’re searching.

Apparently media now reporting it is an old abandoned copper mine called "Wheal Motley" located in a conservation reserve, not on the station at all. Plenty of public information about it.

 

[passball]

Agree with your comments about the dam, a friend of mine reckons the dam draining was to find potential evidence, not necessarily a body but evidence as to why they haven’t found the body. I’m started to be swayed that the outcome is more sinister than I was hoping.

What sort of evidence would they be looking for?

 

[Underarrest_]

Apparently media now reporting it is an old abandoned copper mine called "Wheal Motley" located in a conservation reserve, not on the station at all. Plenty of public information about it.

Thank you. Wheat Motley is currently closed so makes sense.

 

[passball]

Apparently media now reporting it is an old abandoned copper mine called "Wheal Motley" located in a conservation reserve, not on the station at all. Plenty of public information about it.

New phase in search for 4yo Gus with police to include six mine shafts

In their effort to find missing four-year-old Gus, police have vowed "explore every avenue" — which now includes several mine shafts around the property where he disappeared.

www.abc.net.au

I wonder if Fleur Tiver is connected to this search

 

[winyhill]

New phase in search for 4yo Gus with police to include six mine shafts

In their effort to find missing four-year-old Gus, police have vowed "explore every avenue" — which now includes several mine shafts around the property where he disappeared.

www.abc.net.au

I wonder if Fleur Tiver is connected to this search

Who is Fleur Tiver? Not understanding the relevance.

 

[Wallace52]

New phase in search for 4yo Gus with police to include six mine shafts

In their effort to find missing four-year-old Gus, police have vowed "explore every avenue" — which now includes several mine shafts around the property where he disappeared.

www.abc.net.au

I wonder if Fleur Tiver is connected to this search

Doesn’t Fleur Tiver’s family own Tiverton Station just nearby to Oak Park?

Tiverton SA

Population Station,Homestead South Australia Tiverton

www.exploroz.com