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Conspiracy Theory 5G APOCALYPSE

Are you worried about 5G?


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Only way to test it effectively is to bombard animals (Or some very brave humans) with a condensed amount of the frequency. Basically how they test things like springs and stuff in factories, but bombared a living creature with 50+ years level of exposure to what we would get in the background.
 
Yet many other scientists disagree with that view. So you have to ask yourself are you happy for this to go ahead without adequate long term safety testing?

Mate I work with blutooth headsets all day and I haven't experience any problems (yet I might add). Like the article says we just don't know yet and from the research currently done the danger would be very little if at all! We've been exposed to radio waves for well over 100 years now and there hasn't been any proof that it can course cancer. I can't see how the 5G network is any different despite the higher frequencies.

Do you have Links to those other scientist research?
 
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Mate I work with blutooth headsets all day and I haven't experience any problems (yet I might add).
That's completely meaningless and irrelevant.

There have been concerns from many scientists that this technology hasn't been adequately tested for safety. "Probably" won't isn't good enough for the future safety of millions. And there's a heap of research suggesting the type of radiation used and that will be used is linked with problems and far above recommended limits by many countries.

I'm not fear mongering or against safe technology, but why not advocate for thorough adequate testing for it's safety? If in 50 years there's huge increases in EMF related problems because those with their wallets at stake thought it was "Probably safe" and the next generation of children and their children suffer, I'm not okay with that.
 

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I also find the slight irony in this situation, when people have lived without any drama around cars for most of their lives so far, and we KNOW the stuff they pump out is nasty.
And it might cause no issues, which is great and fine. But investigate it first yeh? Here is an article with a link to a letter that 180 EU scientists and doctors signed asking for more thorough testing before rolling this out. There are a lot more articles like this and papers that show the dangers of EMF radiation.

https://www.defendershield.com/5g-technology-safe-emf-radiation-emissions
 
That's completely meaningless and irrelevant.

There have been concerns from many scientists that this technology hasn't been adequately tested for safety. "Probably" won't isn't good enough for the future safety of millions. And there's a heap of research suggesting the type of radiation used and that will be used is linked with problems and far above recommended limits by many countries.

I'm not fear mongering or against safe technology, but why not advocate for thorough adequate testing for it's safety? If in 50 years there's huge increases in EMF related problems because those with their wallets at stake thought it was "Probably safe" and the next generation of children and their children suffer, I'm not okay with that.

Blutooth is still radio waves being exposed too, just like all other radio waves. The 5G Network will be no different.

Can you please provide the links of the concerned scientists?
 
And it might cause no issues, which is great and fine. But investigate it first yeh? Here is an article with a link to a letter that 180 EU scientists and doctors signed asking for more thorough testing before rolling this out. There are a lot more articles like this and papers that show the dangers of EMF radiation.

https://www.defendershield.com/5g-technology-safe-emf-radiation-emissions

Of course, I mean, you dont bring out a new family car without first smashing it against some walls first.

The complexity of testing the effects of a frequency in a organic body over the course of 50 years is a tad more difficult than smashing cars though.
 
Of course, I mean, you dont bring out a new family car without first smashing it against some walls first.

The complexity of testing the effects of a frequency in a organic body over the course of 50 years is a tad more difficult than smashing cars though.
Cool too hard, she'll be right.
 
I also see the irony in over 99% of scientists trying to alert people to the effects of Global Warming, only for them to be dismissed, yet suddenly some of them say 5G is bad and people perk up.
I think that's more a case of people just choosing or wanting to ignore it. I've never once said I'm against safe technology, but I'm happy to wait a bit if it meant doing some more research based on the reccomendations of many. That won't happen though because it affects some fat cats wallet.

IF there are consequences though, and admittedly it's an if, it will be us, our children and grandchildren that suffer. I'd just like them to consider that before profit.
 
Didnt say that. They should be testing it of course.
We are probably in agreement then? Neither against it, just want it to be
adequately investigated before mass rollout based on the advice of many credible experts.
 

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thats just ons small issue with 5g. the big brother side of it, signals can penetrate everything, concrete etc., military grade tech, disperse crowds and make people ill and with frequency.
5G spectrum is far less penetrable than the spectrum used to carry 4G, it is a much much safer technology.

known long term causes of 3g/4g levels.... cancer, infertility, permanent sperm/ovarian mutation for kids of kids etc, actual cell degradation and mutilation, let alone what 5g levels are going to do.
Bigger number of 'G' does not equate to increased risk
 
We are probably in agreement then? Neither against it, just want it to be
adequately investigated before mass rollout based on the advice of many credible experts.
ARPANSA conducted a huge meta-analysis in 2016 of > 1300 studies.
 
Im curious why there are not people more concerned about Elon Musks current venture, his Starlink system? Hes already launched 60 odd and I think the plan is to be 180 or so? To provide Wifi like internet globally.

THAT is a lot of "chemtrail helping" background radiation, right?
 
ARPANSA conducted a huge meta-analysis in 2016 of > 1300 studies.
Would be interested to see the study, just curious if it took into account the greater exposure due to the extra towers/infrastructure and such required, and if it looked at 5G tech or 3G/4G.

I haven't confirmed this, but I have read that ARPANSA limits are much higher than other countries recommended safe limits, not sure if anyone here knows enough to confirm or deny this?
 
Would be interested to see the study, just curious if it took into account the greater exposure due to the extra towers/infrastructure and such required, and if it looked at 5G tech or 3G/4G.

I haven't confirmed this, but I have read that ARPANSA limits are much higher than other countries recommended safe limits, not sure if anyone here knows enough to confirm or deny this?
It's not actually a brand new technology, merely utilising a new spectrum albeit one with far less penetration, hence the need for more cells (likely to be mostly small-cells).

There is also an RFNSA website that holds individual site details, including EMR reports on each site. The small cell EMR reports show a significantly lower EMR level than the larger 4G cells, although you need to search on a site by site basis.

Some countries may have lower or higher limits but the Australian Standard has been developed independently. You can also call ARPANSA directly who make a scientist available on Thursdays via a freecall.
 

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That website is selling magic 'EMF Defender Shields'. I hardly think it's going to be honest and upfront about its scientific research.
It’s not the researcher, it’s just a site linking to and reporting others. They all have agendas no matter which side they are on.
 
I think this is just a conspiracy for conspiracy sake with some fearmongering attached to attract the ill-informed bandwagon types who always fall for this type of s**t. I don't think there's anything to panic about.

This ABC article by Dr. Karl explains a lot about what the 5G Network is and how it works as well as how dangerous it could be or not.
Have a good read its worth it.


5G is being rolled out in Australia. Is the radiation safe?

By the end of this year, a new super-fast mobile network will be operating in all major capital cities and regional areas in Australia.
5G represents the fifth generation of mobile network technology, and it promises to be as much of a leap forward as 4G mobile broadband was back in 2011.
As the rollout proceeds, however, it's become a focal point for longstanding concerns about the health effects of electromagnetic radiation.
"I'm very concerned about 5G. I already get headaches from 4G and wifi," Oliver in Mackay wrote in to Hack.
A Sydney resident told the ABC recently: "We don't want it here. It causes us great anxiety that this thing is going to be running 24-7."

Bubbling beneath this are online forums and articles about 5G causing cancer, nosebleeds and autism, and bringing about a 'wireless apocalypse'.
To complicate matters, Russia's RT Network has recently been implicated in an 5G-health-scare disinformation campaign, which the New York Times reports is an attempt to slow US adoption, research and development of the important new technology.
To save you having to read the whole article, here's the short answer: Australian and many other national health regulators say 5G is safe, while some recognised researchers urge caution.
What is 5G?
As with previous generational upgrades, the new tech is much faster than the existing network: Telstra recently achieved network speeds of around 3Gbps - about 60 times faster than 4G.
It's likely to be used for driverless cars and virtual reality, as it allows much larger amounts of data to be transferred with less time between the signal being sent and received.
It achieves this speed and bandwidth partly through using higher frequencies of electromagnetic waves than 4G or any of the previous mobile networks.
To understand what this means, let's go back to high school physics: Mobile phones and mobile towers emit radiation, as do radios, microwaves, X-ray machines, and the sun.
Radiation can be broadly divided into ionising and non-ionising types.
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Ionising radiation is powerful enough to damage DNA, which is why you have to be careful about too much sunlight or too many X-rays.
Non-ionising radiation doesn't have enough energy to break our DNA, and therefore we have traditionally thought it cannot cause cancer.
5G-type electromagnetic waves are a higher frequency than 4G (and therefore further up the spectrum towards X-rays) but still on the non-ionising side.
Because they have shorter wavelengths, the waves are less able to penetrate solid objects (e.g. sunlight can't go through a wall, but radio waves can).
For this reason, 5G requires heaps of suitcase-size cell boxes to boost the signal and direct it around corners and other obstacles. These will be a lot more numerous than 4G towers.
Can it cause cancer?
Though radio waves are non-ionising, in 2011 a World Health Organisation research team classified all radio frequency emissions as a possible carcinogen.
Bad news, right? Not really. The headline comes with an important caveat: The same class of possible carcinogens includes pickles and aloe leaf extract.
University of Helsinki biochemist Adjunct Professor Dariusz Leszczynski, who was one of the WHO researchers, told Hack the 2011 announcement did not go far enough.
He believes that cell phone radiation could be upgraded from a possible carcinogen to probable carcinogen, the group that includes lead compounds and red meat.
He concedes there's no evidence of radio frequencies causing cancer, but says there's evidence suggesting using mobiles over long periods of time increases the risk of developing glioma, a category of brain tumour.
Epidemiological studies have provided supportive evidence of the increased risk of brain tumours from mobile use, and others have suggested this could be due to DNA damage (there's a summary of the peer-reviewed studies here).
Most national regulators believe non-ionising radiation only has a thermal effect, i.e. it heats up the body, but does not have any other effect, such as damaging DNA.
Leszczynski says these studies are evidence it also has a non-thermal effect.
If that's true, it would overturn the scientific basis of our current limits on mobile phone radiation exposure.
However, these studies are limited. As Leszczynski says: "This result is from epidemiological studies that can show only whether there's an increase or not an increased risk of developing disease.
"They cannot demonstrate in particular this radiation has caused this cancer."
His point is that we just don't know what exactly is going on, and therefore we should be cautious.
What effect does it have?
One reason we don't know is because it's very difficult to study the long-term effect of cellphone radiation on humans. Unlike, say, smoking, we're unable to expose one group to radio frequencies, and then compare their health with the non-exposed population.
Cellphone radiation is already everywhere, plus the frequency of radiation has changed rapidly over a relatively short period of time. The way we use our phones has also changed (for example, now children are more likely to use phones than before).
That leaves studies on animals: In 1999, the US FDA asked the National Toxicology Program (NTP) to study the toxicity and cancer-causing capability of cellphone radio-frequency radiation.
This was a US$30 million undertaking. The scientists had to have special chambers built in Switzerland so they could control exactly how much radiation the animals were getting.
The draft findings came out nearly 20 years later, in 2018.
It found that several rats and mice that had been blasted with with large amounts of radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation for two years exhibited tumours.
"We believe that the link between radio frequency radiation and tumors in male rats is real, and the external experts agreed," said NTP's John Bucher in a statement.
But the researchers struggled to form conclusions from the study.
The rodents were exposed to much greater levels of radiation than a person would using a mobile phone or another consumer device.
There was also no clear linear relationship between higher radiation exposure and more cancer.
Also, humans absorb radiation differently to rats and mice.
Given this uncertainty, it's a big leap to pause the technology without any evidence of ill-effects.
A huge chunk of the population has been using mobile phones for over two decades, and there hasn't been an observed increase in cancer rates.
Professor Rodney Croft from the Australian Centre for Electromagnetic Bioeffects Research at the University of Wollongong argues we can be confident in the relative safety of non-ionising radiation.
"The reality is we know a lot about the mechanisms involved with the interactions with electromagnetics fields and the body," he told Hack.
What's the regulation?
Telstra, which is rolling out the technology, says its test results show electromagnetic energy levels are similar to the existing 3G and 4G networks, and well below the safety levels set by the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA).
ARPANSA's Dr Ken Karipidis, an expert on how radiation affects the human body, told Hack these limits are in line with those of other national regulatory bodies.
"There are some parts of the world that have lower limits but you'll find they're not scientifically based," he said.
Like Professor Croft and Dr Karl, ARPANSA follows the evidence-based assumption that non-ionising radiation will only cause an increase in temperature, and cannot cause cancer.
"With radiofrequency radiation the only established health effect is that of rising temperature," Dr Karipidis said.
"We base our standards on avoiding temperatures than can cause health effects."
He said that, despite heightened concerns ahead of the rollout, 5G radiation is not radically different to the used by the 4G network. In fact, 5G in Australia will initially use the same frequency band as 4G, before shifting to higher frequency "millimeter waves".
"There has been quite a bit of research done on millimeter waves," he said.
"Radar technologies or satellites use millimeter waves so it's not something new, it's something we've had before."

Dr Karl Kruszelnicki - beloved triple j science communicator and qualified scientist, doctor and engineer - is also onboard with this argument.
"Mobile phones have never been proven to cause cancer with 1G, 2G, 3G, or 4G, and we can be fairly confident we can find the same with 5G," he said.
"It's non-ionising; the bottom line is it's never been proven to cause cancer. It might sit in your skin and warm it up, but that doesn't cause cancer.
"It'll warm up your skin a tiny amount, but so tiny you won't be able to measure it."


https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...n-the-radiation-safety-of-5g-network/11143020

Have you had a chance to watch the documentary yet? It may give some greater insight.

I’m looking into the 5g and chem trail connection and trying to decide whether there is merit to that. If unequivocally true, we are talking about dire consequences.
 
Have you had a chance to watch the documentary yet? It may give some greater insight.

I’m looking into the 5g and chem trail connection and trying to decide whether there is merit to that. If unequivocally true, we are talking about dire consequences.

I found out that they are actually putting all these chemicals into the quantum connections between all of us. Its pretty scary stuff, they can tunnel into all of our atoms and literally insert the gay atom into us to try and curb our birth rates.

Scary times we live in.
 
I found out that they are actually putting all these chemicals into the quantum connections between all of us. Its pretty scary stuff, they can tunnel into all of our atoms and literally insert the gay atom into us to try and curb our birth rates.

Scary times we live in.
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