Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

[BustedWing]

You should be a comedian!

Whats funny about my post?

I assume you disagree with it. Am I assuming incorrectly?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Big massive chunks of one of the twin towers hit WTC7 as it collapsed.

Disagree??

Not true because there was

Whats funny about my post?

I assume you disagree with it. Am I assuming incorrectly?

Its how you present an argument.
For example :

You think gravity makes things fall down. Lol -( smugly laughing at you as if i know better ).

 

[Present Not Past]

What did hit WTC7 though??? Wouldn't be a 110 story building collapsing (definitely not into its footprint) would it?

One side of WTC7 was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers. There are photos that support this, and it is what made the entire building unstable and unsafe to enter.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't disagree that there may have been a cover up to do with WTC7 , but i think if there was its more to do with shonky construction techniques.
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The building was constructed above a Con Edisonsubstation that had been on the site since 1967.[15] The substation had a caisson foundation designed to carry the weight of a future building of 25 stories containing 600,000 sq ft (56,000 m2).[16] The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building than originally planned when the substation was built.[17] The structural design of 7 World Trade Center therefore included a system of gravity column transfer trusses and girders, located between floors 5 and 7, to transfer loads to the smaller foundation.[7] Existing caissons installed in 1967 were used, along with new ones, to accommodate the building. The 5th floor functioned as a structural diaphragm, providing lateral stability and distribution of loads between the new and old caissons. Above the 7th floor, the building's structure was a typical tube-frame design, with columns in the core and on the perimeter, and lateral loads resisted by perimeter moment frames
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[SaintsSeptember]

http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/how_i_debated_a_9_11_truther_and_survived

 

[Lebbo73]

Whats funny about my post?

I assume you disagree with it. Am I assuming incorrectly?

That you are suggesting that this is what brought WTC7 down. That is not what a retired FDNY Marshall said.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That you are suggesting that this is what brought WTC7 down. That is not what a retired FDNY Marshall said.

Are we saying they got the mayor to set off the thermite?
I guess it would have been a ceremonial occasion.

Now if i was the mayor and was in on it, i'd make sure i was visiting a sister city somewhere when it all went down. ( excuse the pun ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm

But lets ask a fireman.

 

[Lebbo73]

http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm

But lets ask a fireman.

Debunked what? They are just telling you what you want to hear. Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth deal in facts. No conspiracies.

 

[Damp Squarie]

One side of WTC7 was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers. There are photos that support this

The south west corner was damaged from ground level to the 18th floor.
So even if this damage did cause the whole building to collapse, wouldn't it have fallen over asymmetrically toward the south/west instead of straight down?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Debunked what? They are just telling you what you want to hear. Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth deal in facts. No conspiracies.

Richard is an Architect.
Architects paint pictures of buildings. I assume the Engineers involved drive trains.

 

[Present Not Past]

The south west corner was damaged from ground level to the 18th floor.
So even if this damage did cause the whole building to collapse, wouldn't it have fallen over asymmetrically toward the south/west instead of straight down?

So the building was damaged from the ground floor to the 18th - and you're still looking for another reason why the building collapsed?
As for your other point, I would suspect that the damage wasn't simply limited to the outside strucutre. There's no reason not to suspect that the inside of the building wasn't damaged by the falling Twin Tower buildings as well.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So the building was damaged from the ground floor to the 18th - and you're still looking for another reason why the building collapsed?
As for your other point, I would suspect that the damage wasn't simply limited to the outside strucutre. There's no reason not to suspect that the inside of the building wasn't damaged by the falling Twin Tower buildings as well.

There is a full analysis of the collapse, its to do with the unusual design.

 

[Damp Squarie]

So the building was damaged from the ground floor to the 18th - and you're still looking for another reason why the building collapsed?
As for your other point, I would suspect that the damage wasn't simply limited to the outside strucutre. There's no reason not to suspect that the inside of the building wasn't damaged by the falling Twin Tower buildings as well.

If you've played the collapse video you should do it again but with your eyes open.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If you've played the collapse video you should do it again but with your eyes open.

So you could do a structural analysis of the collapse or you could see what it looks like.

The world is flat , well it looks flat from here , so it must be.

 

[BustedWing]

One side of WTC7 was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers. There are photos that support this, and it is what made the entire building unstable and unsafe to enter.

Agree.

 

[BustedWing]

That you are suggesting that this is what brought WTC7 down. That is not what a retired FDNY Marshall said.

Why would a retired fire Marshall know why or how the building came down? They know lots about putting out fires, and very little about structural integrity I would imagine. Why is his testimony more believable to you, than say the HUNDREDSof other firefighters who were there that have no problems at all with the original story?

 

[BustedWing]

The south west corner was damaged from ground level to the 18th floor.
So even if this damage did cause the whole building to collapse, wouldn't it have fallen over asymmetrically toward the south/west instead of straight down?

What makes you say that? Honest question here, not trying to be facetious. Where are you getting your understanding of physics etc that makes you believe that that is how the building should fall down?

As I said - genuine question.

 

[Lebbo73]

Why would a retired fire Marshall know why or how the building came down? They know lots about putting out fires, and very little about structural integrity I would imagine. Why is his testimony more believable to you, than say the HUNDREDSof other firefighters who were there that have no problems at all with the original story?

Most people believe that governments generally have their best interests at heart, even if the government is incompetent. Of course they aren't going to question the most laughable story given in history!

 

[Damp Squarie]

The curtains caught fire LOL .

Dis integrator ray?I'm thinking they never existed and were holograms maintained in place for decades.

Richard is an Architect.
Architects paint pictures of buildings. I assume the Engineers involved drive trains.

The world is flat , well it looks flat from here , so it must be.

Says it all really and that's just on 1 page.

 

[Damp Squarie]

What makes you say that? Honest question here, not trying to be facetious. Where are you getting your understanding of physics etc that makes you believe that that is how the building should fall down?

As I said - genuine question.

What makes you and your little friend believe that a steel framed building would collapse at the speed at which it did due to an office fire when it's never occurred before?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What makes you and your little friend believe that a steel framed building would collapse at the speed at which it did due to an office fire when it's never occurred before?

Answer questions with questions good tactic.
The answer to yours, is that its certainly possible for things that never happened before to happen.
Have your read the official report as to how the collapse occurred? Are you saying it is not viable?

Of course you can't see any of that stuff in a video so it must not have happened. Hence my reference to the flat world.

 

[BustedWing]

That you are suggesting that this is what brought WTC7 down. That is not what a retired FDNY Marshall said.

I just watched this video again. THIS is your evidence??? REALLY? Some dude who says "it looked like a CD to me!" Jesus.

 

[CatFan79]

Have your read the official report as to how the collapse occurred? Are you saying it is not viable?

This is it..

The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.

It's never happened before, it'll never happen again but it sounds reasonable to your regular Joe who'll accept it and move on because we all want to trust that western governments have our safety as their no1 priority and they'd never lie to us about something serious like 911.

Viewing 911 in isolation without considering the numerous other false flag events in history that have 'occurred' to justify going to war is foolish. Its the same story every time.

 

[Damp Squarie]

I just watched this video again. THIS is your evidence??? REALLY? Some dude who says "it looked like a CD to me!" Jesus.

I agree that this dude and the prick interviewing him have a vested interest. His answers look too common and rehearsed.