Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 2

[CatFan79]

See this is what shits me about you guys. Instead of keeping on topic (WTC 1 and 2) you deviate to a different topic (WTC7) then use language in a triumphant "check mate" type way, when in fact you have said absolutely nothing of substance.

What hit WTC7 you ask? Not a plane, sure, but how about a SKYSCRAPER?!?!

LOL nice back-pedal attempt. You just lost your cool and went off on a rant, forgotting what the NIST quote was referring to..

Quote me where NIST says WTC7 was brought down by a skyscraper.

What you believe is irrelevant .What can you PROVE? you say all the science is wrong. Show us where, which evidence, not positions of incredulity. Not "you expect me to believe blah blah blah! LOL!", Tell us where, and WHY a specific claim is incorrect, and then you will have some credibility.

Why? Again I ask, what is wrong with the OS? Show me WHERE, and WHY its wrong.

Without writing a novel I'll summarise..
- it comes to conclusions based on unreliable evidence
- the Commission refused to hear, ignored, or were censored from certain evidence/findings
- conflict of interest! Commission executive director Phillip Zelikow and Kissinger involvement FFS.
- CIA resistance to requests for information
- we still havent seen all of it..

oh and this small nugget of info...

The two co-chairs of the Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, believe that the government established the Commission in a way that ensured that it would fail.

 

[BustedWing]

LOL nice back-pedal attempt. You just lost your cool and went off on a rant, forgotting what the NIST quote was referring to..

Quote me where NIST says WTC7 was brought down by a skyscraper.

If I do just that, will I get a retraction from you that says "oops - WTC7 was in fact hit by debris from the falling WTC towers which severely damaged the structure, caused fires the went unfought for over seven hours, untimately leading to its collapse?"

Will you say that if I do what you ask?

- it comes to conclusions based on unreliable evidence
- the Commission refused to hear, ignored, or were censored from certain evidence/findings
- conflict of interest! Commission executive director Phillip Zelikow and Kissinger involvement FFS.
- CIA resistance to requests for information
- we still havent seen all of it..

oh and this small nugget of info...

The two co-chairs of the Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, believe that the government established the Commission in a way that ensured that it would fail.

So no actual evidence that what is states as the OS is incorrct, just vague claims of corruption, awesome.

 

[Thrawn]

So no actual evidence that what is states as the OS is incorrct, just vague claims of corruption, awesome.

How are they vague?

The commissioners were considering pressing charges against Pentagon officials for lying under oath, they were stonewalled by the CIA, the Whitehouse refused to share relevant information that they asked for and when they did, only a few of the commissioners could see it, etc. It was a farce.

 

[BustedWing]

See whats happened here in the space of a couple of posts....

The goalposts are continuously moved by those in the pro conspiracy camp.

it went a little like this:
- WTC1 - No way they should have collapsed the way the OS says they did
- Nonsense. planes hit the building for petes sake.
- No plane hit WTC7! see! I win!
- What?? a goddamn building hit WTC7, and anyway, we are talking about WTC1 and 2 here...
- you want evidence, look at all the corruption!
- Thats not evidence, thats specualtion....but shit, clearly I cant keep you on track here.

In the space of about 5 posts, you went from "WTC1&2 couldn't have possibly happened the way it did, and here is a NIST quote to prove it", to "HAH! WTC7 wasnt hit by a plane", to "But corruption!"

Stop dancing like you're evading bullets in a shootout.

I have a challenge for you, and anyone else really: STICK TO ONE TOPIC. you can choose it if you like. ONE "fact" that you feel shows the OS to be wrong. It can be whatever you like, melted steel, "Pull it", stand down orders, no footage at the pentagon, Bin Laden in a cave, free fall speed, you name it. BUT, you HAVE to stay ONLY on that topic. No deviating. Can that ever be done??

 

[BustedWing]

If I do just that, will I get a retraction from you that says "oops - WTC7 was in fact hit by debris from the falling WTC towers which severely damaged the structure, caused fires the went unfought for over seven hours, ultimately leading to its collapse?"

Will you say that if I do what you ask?

Ah bugger it, I'll do it anyway. It took a monumental 9 second google search.

 

[CatFan79]

Here's a topic for discussion...

Project for the New American Century
Written before the September 11 attacks, and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America's Defenses entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force" became the subject of considerable controversy. The passage suggested that the transformation of American armed forces through "new technologies and operational concepts" was likely to be a long one, "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

...or was the invasion of Iraq something to do with democracy?

also, why did heroin production go from basically nothing (when the taliban outlawed it in 2001) to record levels since the US invasion?

 

[yebiga]

To my mind this is less about what happened and much more - about accountability
And it's the absence of any accountability since 2001 which defines this period to this very day

 

[yebiga]

See whats happened here in the space of a couple of posts....

The goalposts are continuously moved by those in the pro conspiracy camp.

it went a little like this:
- WTC1 - No way they should have collapsed the way the OS says they did
- Nonsense. planes hit the building for petes sake.
- No plane hit WTC7! see! I win!
- What?? a goddamn building hit WTC7, and anyway, we are talking about WTC1 and 2 here...
- you want evidence, look at all the corruption!
- Thats not evidence, thats specualtion....but shit, clearly I cant keep you on track here.

In the space of about 5 posts, you went from "WTC1&2 couldn't have possibly happened the way it did, and here is a NIST quote to prove it", to "HAH! WTC7 wasnt hit by a plane", to "But corruption!"

Stop dancing like you're evading bullets in a shootout.

I have a challenge for you, and anyone else really: STICK TO ONE TOPIC. you can choose it if you like. ONE "fact" that you feel shows the OS to be wrong. It can be whatever you like, melted steel, "Pull it", stand down orders, no footage at the pentagon, Bin Laden in a cave, free fall speed, you name it. BUT, you HAVE to stay ONLY on that topic. No deviating. Can that ever be done??

Sure lets do it
Pick your poison - sorry anthrax

 

[yebiga]

Understand the pancake theory
However in the center of the towers are lifts surrounded by steel
Lifts wells by definition are empty air shafts
This is surrounded by steel columns
You can see this in a simple google search on the design and construction of the towers
Ok here is the key point
The concrete floors give way
And for the purposes of discussion do so uniformly - symmetrically

But in the middle of these lift shafts there is nothing to pan cake - the ratio of concrete floor to steel columns is entirely different

Remember the pan cake theory requires the outer perimeter of concrete and the inner outside the center core to give way

Nothing explains the inner core collapse as there is nothing to pull it down

More over we see the top part of the towers disintegrate before the lower part even begins to "pancake"
We see the top part of one tower tilt 40 degrees and correct itself back to a symmetrical descent! This is simply inexplicable absent demolition charges. Once the tower tilts the sheer mass of weight could only further exaggerate the tilt - what could possibly correct it.

Reports of smoldering or molten steel weeks after the collapse are also inexplicable with the O S.

The black color of the smoke and reports by fire fighters that it was manageable together with survivors who pass by the target floors all attest to insufficient heat to effect the steel to such a cataclysmic level.

The speed of the descent itself is inexplicable as the steel only gets thicker the lower it gets. We never see any resistance whatsoever and it's symmetry is quite frankly indefensible.

I could go on and on indefinitely

 

[Glacier]

I could go on and on indefinitely

You will have to

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The speed of the descent itself is inexplicable as the steel only gets thicker the lower it gets. We never see any resistance whatsoever and it's symmetry is quite frankly indefensible.

That's kind of a remarkable thing to say.

 

[yebiga]

That's kind of a remarkable thing to say.

Are you questioning the veracity of my statement or...?

 

[WCErevival]

The dust covers most of the collapse. People seem to think that the whole thing just squashed flat. If you watch it there are still structures that are standing after the dust cloud moves its way down and then they fall over or break apart. A lot of the structure is hurled outwards too.

 

[Thrawn]

That's kind of a remarkable thing to say.

Well, not really. The steel columns at the bottom half of the towers were thicker than those near the top.

 

[CatFan79]

EUROPEAN intelligence services have warned that terrorists are plotting co-ordinated mass attacks across the continent this year
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...08c9f2a988d490f738b7d301d#load-story-comments

So glad we have trusty old newscorp to offer a quote from a credible source and that the 'intelligence service' would rather catch the pesky terrorists than offer out an obvious FEAR campaign..

These numbskulls are so transparent.

Going by the comments of the well informed HS readers, the article's having the desired effect.

 

[yebiga]

How do we get mcdevitt and WADA onto the 9/11 investigation?

 

[Werewolf]

How do we get mcdevitt and WADA onto the 9/11 investigation?

You want it to take another 40 years for them to find the truth?

 

[Lebbo73]

How do we get mcdevitt and WADA onto the 9/11 investigation?

There is more evidence that 911 was an inside job then what CAS used to convict the Essendon players of using TB4!

 

[yebiga]

There is more evidence that 911 was an inside job then what CAS used to convict the Essendon players of using TB4!

Lol
I am more than comfortably satisfied
I am satisfied beyond any conceivable doubt. I am astounded by people who refuse to consider anything but the o/s

 

[Reppie]

Lol
I am more than comfortably satisfied
I am satisfied beyond any conceivable doubt. I am astounded by people who refuse to consider anything but the o/s

Institutionalized thinkers.
Can't think for themselves.
Half their brains are shut down and just can't accept it.

 

[yebiga]

Institutionalized thinkers.
Can't think for themselves.
Half their brains are shut down and just can't accept it.

Almost everyone I have ever spoken to in person has serious doubts
Only online do you get the angry desperate reaction with out and out abuse

 

[Reppie]

Almost everyone I have ever spoken to in person has serious doubts
Only online do you get the angry desperate reaction with out and out abuse

Sad but true.

 

[BustedWing]

Here's a topic for discussion...

Project for the New American Century
Written before the September 11 attacks, and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America's Defenses entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force" became the subject of considerable controversy. The passage suggested that the transformation of American armed forces through "new technologies and operational concepts" was likely to be a long one, "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

...or was the invasion of Iraq something to do with democracy?

also, why did heroin production go from basically nothing (when the taliban outlawed it in 2001) to record levels since the US invasion?

Ok. So can you please articulate how this is connected to the events of 9/11? I assume you're saying that 9/11 was an inside job because prior to 9/11 the above piece was written?

 

[BustedWing]

Understand the pancake theory
However in the center of the towers are lifts surrounded by steel
Lifts wells by definition are empty air shafts
This is surrounded by steel columns
You can see this in a simple google search on the design and construction of the towers
Ok here is the key point
The concrete floors give way
And for the purposes of discussion do so uniformly - symmetrically

But in the middle of these lift shafts there is nothing to pan cake - the ratio of concrete floor to steel columns is entirely different

Remember the pan cake theory requires the outer perimeter of concrete and the inner outside the center core to give way

Nothing explains the inner core collapse as there is nothing to pull it down

More over we see the top part of the towers disintegrate before the lower part even begins to "pancake"
We see the top part of one tower tilt 40 degrees and correct itself back to a symmetrical descent! This is simply inexplicable absent demolition charges. Once the tower tilts the sheer mass of weight could only further exaggerate the tilt - what could possibly correct it.

Reports of smoldering or molten steel weeks after the collapse are also inexplicable with the O S.

The black color of the smoke and reports by fire fighters that it was manageable together with survivors who pass by the target floors all attest to insufficient heat to effect the steel to such a cataclysmic level.

The speed of the descent itself is inexplicable as the steel only gets thicker the lower it gets. We never see any resistance whatsoever and it's symmetry is quite frankly indefensible.

I could go on and on indefinitely

Ok slow down big fella.

Which of the above would you like to talk about? Or do I get to pick?

 

[CatFan79]

Ok. So can you please articulate how this is connected to the events of 9/11? I assume you're saying that 9/11 was an inside job because prior to 9/11 the above piece was written?

You're asking me to articulate 80+ years of US industrial, military and intelligence history because to fully understand it you have to go back to the First World War. Not really possible in a forum post.

This video covers most of it in 3 hours, if you're willing to be enlightened...