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Senior 9. Patrick Cripps

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By the end of this year, he will well and truly be in the conversation. I think the only thing stopping him from being called elite at this point is the fact that he has only really had one full season at AFL level. That established elite group of midfielders have been performing consistently for a few years now, give Cripps that time and he will definitely join that group.
 
DirtyMuso said:
By the end of this year, he will well and truly be in the conversation. I think the only thing stopping him from being called elite at this point is the fact that he has only really had one full season at AFL level. That established elite group of midfielders have been performing consistently for a few years now, give Cripps that time and he will definitely join that group.
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with people being reluctant to class him as elite based on the fact that he hasn't being going long enough compared to the other elites in the game, but his efforts on the field are elite for mine.
Why top 5 for position? Why not top 10? With 18 teams, that would mean that roughly only half of the teams would have an elite mid, but some teams might have more than one.
You can argue that he needs to work on his kicking, or needs more of an outside game and get more uncontested ball, etc. But even most of the elite players have 1-2 weaknesses to their game. Fyfe has questionable kicking for example. Kennedy (WC) goes missing in big games and dominates lesser opponents. Buddy misses heaps of goals. Not too many players have completely rounded games, even the elite ones.
Yes, he has a few deficiencies in his game, but he's only 24 games old. IMO he can still become more rounded, but is already elite in other areas and I think if he's elite in a couple of areas, then he's elite full stop.
 
P_Crippy said:
Meh, like i said IMO. Not worth anything, but i'd have him replace duckwood in that 5. Point i'm trying to make is that it's not much of a stretch to see him amongst this group. If not now, sooner rather than later.
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Absolutley
Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with people being reluctant to class him as elite based on the fact that he hasn't being going long enough compared to the other elites in the game, but his efforts on the field are elite for mine.
Why top 5 for position? Why not top 10? With 18 teams, that would mean that roughly only half of the teams would have an elite mid, but some teams might have more than one.
You can argue that he needs to work on his kicking, or needs more of an outside game and get more uncontested ball, etc. But even most of the elite players have 1-2 weaknesses to their game. Fyfe has questionable kicking for example. Kennedy (WC) goes missing in big games and dominates lesser opponents. Buddy misses heaps of goals. Not too many players have completely rounded games, even the elite ones.
Yes, he has a few deficiencies in his game, but he's only 24 games old. IMO he can still become more rounded, but is already elite in other areas and I think if he's elite in a couple of areas, then he's elite full stop.
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Because Elite means better than average, to me it means better than good... So top 5 IMO is a reasonable level to separate the elite players (Fyfe, Ablett, Dangerfield, Selwood, Pendlebury. Hannebury from the very good players Sam Mitchell, Josh Kennedy, Callan Ward, Priddis, Mundy, Sloan, Boak etc etc which Cripps is firmly in this group but still has a bit of work to do to reach the elite group. Of course this is just opinion based and yours is no less valid than mine.

Out of interest where was Cripps rated in Robbos top 50.... Not that i value Robbos opinion at all.
 
Fair way to go as yet, he is 21 and has only played 24 games, just over 1 season of football. Let's bring this up in season 3-4 as to me elite refers to someone who can perform at a high level for an extended period of time.

What we are witnessing is a young player with football smarts who wants to get the best out of himself, appears to love our club and wants his team to be the best. So let's sit back, take the pressure off him and enjoy the show he is putting on.
 

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Absolutley



Because Elite means better than average, to me it means better than good... So top 5 IMO is a reasonable level to separate the elite players (Fyfe, Ablett, Dangerfield, Selwood, Pendlebury. Hannebury from the very good players Sam Mitchell, Josh Kennedy, Callan Ward, Priddis, Mundy, Sloan, Boak etc etc which Cripps is firmly in this group but still has a bit of work to do to reach the elite group. Of course this is just opinion based and yours is no less valid than mine.

Out of interest where was Cripps rated in Robbos top 50.... Not that i value Robbos opinion at all.
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I understand why people are reluctant. I don't have a problem with that.
Haven't read Robbo's top 50, so wouldn't have a clue, but I doubt he's included him. Won't be going out of my way to find out though either.

Out of interest, did you include 6 players in your top 5?
 
DirtyMuso said:
Cripps was included in Robbo's top 50, he was the only Carlton player in there.
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Well I'll be...
Biggest question is, did he chuck in a few unwarranted * players, or did he take the route of trying to look legit by not including any?
 
Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
Well I'll be...
Biggest question is, did he chuck in a few unwarranted * players, or did he take the route of trying to look legit by not including any?
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Crippa was #45 in the list, and Robbo said this about it..

“Now, I got Patrick Cripps in because I think he’s a really good footballer as it is, Jake Stringer I put at ten, Jesse Hogan is in and they forced out other players people thought should have been in.”
 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/bd75a9d83c79bff2d47075cd16b4f63f

If Crawford and Judds comparing him to Diesel then I DELARE CRIPPS ELITE:D:D:D

Patrick Cripps a Carlton great in the making, draws comparison to Greg “Diesel” Williams
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Shane Crawford says Patrick Cripps should be referred to as Diesel Mark III.
CHRIS Judd watched Carlton’s Round 1 clash with Richmond on his laptop from a beach in Dubai, but even though he was thousands of miles away from the MCG there was one thing he couldn’t escape noticing.

The retired Blues great took delight in seeing 21-year-old Cripps cracking into every contest, seemingly getting better as every match grew more physical.
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how many goals should we expect from crippa the elite? kicked 6-13 in a side that didn't provide too many goal kicking opportunities in 2015... if he cleans up his goal kicking, the team puts it inside 50 more often and he pushes forward a little more effectively 15-20 goals are not out of the question... and this is where he needs to be if we are going to be able to peddle this elite tag...
 
Hey guys, I can't remember where I saw it now but I'm looking for that table that compared Cripps to some of the recent greats of our game at the same age/games.
 

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Our tap work was terrible today - can't remember one hitout actually going to him or his advantage. The Swans had far too much star power for Cripps to carry the load and we were really smashed in the middle. Still, if this is the worst he can play (while not being 'bad' at all) after only 25 games or so, she'll be right mate :thumbsu:
 
Yeah no slight on Crippa, he does everything he can and goes to the very end. He really is the younger replacement for Judd in that respect, that if he plays anywhere near his best and has a day out will destroy you in the middle, but if you put work into blanketing him and double teaming him you can back the rest of the mids to beat our lesser lights.

That's the thing, we'll need to build depth AND have our other mids step up to lessen his load. Kerridge is a good start.
 

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Doro said:
The Swans put a lot of time into him, shows the regard he is getting. Kept going to the final siren though :thumbsu:
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Still managed to get 18 touches with 10 tackles today. Bloody impressive effort as he had a Swans player in his back pocket for the majority of the day.
 
Sector 7G said:
He doesn't seem to be moving that well at the moment. I think the knee is still worrying him a little.
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Noticed that in the Richmond game too actually.
 
Here you go guys. Somebody mentioned this the other day and I thought it would be interesting to see. I finally got around to whipping something up.
I don't know how/if you can attach a spreadsheet, so I just screenshot it.
Comparing the first 25 games for all these players. I've tried to include a number of players that are similarly good in certain stat areas, along with a few players that Cripps has been compared to over the course of his games. If anybody else can think of other players they'd like to see him compared to, let me know, because now that I have the sheet set up, it's not too hard to add more.
The bottom table I have adjusted all stats based on playing 100% game time to even out the differences. This left Judd and Mitchell out on the cold as game time % wasn't recorded for their first full 25 games.
From the stats, it would appear the Danger spent a fair bit of time forward early on. Have also included W/L ratio, as I think that can have an affect on how easy a player might have it in a team, but can't really be calculated or adjusted for. Cripps is the standout for playing on the worst team and Selwood had a dream run in his 1st 25.
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Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
Here you go guys. Somebody mentioned this the other day and I thought it would be interesting to see. I finally got around to whipping something up.
I don't know how/if you can attach a spreadsheet, so I just screenshot it.
Comparing the first 25 games for all these players. I've tried to include a number of players that are similarly good in certain stat areas, along with a few players that Cripps has been compared to over the course of his games. If anybody else can think of other players they'd like to see him compared to, let me know, because now that I have the sheet set up, it's not too hard to add more.
The bottom table I have adjusted all stats based on playing 100% game time to even out the differences. This left Judd and Mitchell out on the cold as game time % wasn't recorded for their first full 25 games.
From the stats, it would appear the Danger spent a fair bit of time forward early on. Have also included W/L ratio, as I think that can have an affect on how easy a player might have it in a team, but can't really be calculated or adjusted for. Cripps is the standout for playing on the worst team and Selwood had a dream run in his 1st 25.
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Nerd.

Awesome work.
 

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