A little help needed from Lestat

[Lestat]

Originally posted by theGimp
I was not aware of this. Trust me when I tell you I was quoting my own thoughts and not his.

Sorry mate...but after reading your post on Buckley on the footy board...I question whether you could come up with any of your own thoughts.

Care to share any more of your own thoughts.....you know, like....

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'...is that yours too,

or 'One small step for man...one large step for mankind'...I bet that you thought that one up all on your own too??

c'mon dude...seriously, your only fooling yourself!

Originally posted by theGimp
Im sure we have very little in common.

Yes....he has been involved in the defence of his country, and the resistance of brutal Israeli occupation for almost 40 years.

Whereas you post on the internet....claiming the quotes of others as your own thoughts.....under the alias of 'thegimp'.

Very little in common indeed.

And you think Buckley is over-rated....pfft.

Originally posted by theGimp
I find it suprising.

And that doesn't surprise me one bit.

Originally posted by theGimp
Then again he strikes me as a man who says one thing and follows it up with the exact opposite reaction.

What does he say...and what is his reaction???

 

[theGimp]

Originally posted by Lestat

Care to share any more of your own thoughts.....you know, like....

'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'...is that yours too,

or 'One small step for man...one large step for mankind'...I bet that you thought that one up all on your own too??

c'mon dude...seriously, your only fooling yourself!



** Get over yourself Lestat, In my opinion you spend too much time here, go outside, get some sun. There are a few mass posters on these boards who actually believe they have more right to say what they want than others. You are their king.

Now if you look very carefully, You will see I was not quoting anyone with my first post. Im still taking your word for it when you tell me it had been said before.. and who gives a rats ass if it has anyway. I dont get royalties for anything I have said. So why dont you try to respond to the comment instead of dodging it with all this rubbish that you are spewing out.

We both know why dont we.

Yes....he has been involved in the defence of his country, and the resistance of brutal Israeli occupation for almost 40 years.

..hmmm

Whereas you post on the internet....claiming the quotes of others as your own thoughts.....under the alias of 'thegimp'.

** And this coming from a glorified vampire impersonator who posts a thousand times as much as me.
Gee thats original. Your so cool.

..again I claimed nothing. I ask you to step back and think about what you are saying. Can you read or do you just jump to conclusions when the need arises.

Very little in common indeed.

***When I start training and supporting terror networks for the next 40 years you may have a point.


What does he say...and what is his reaction???



very simple

Monday : 'We want peace.'
Tuesday : 'We have called a cease fire. Our people will live in harmony'
Wednesday : Release the suicide bombers.

Ohh but I suppose he had nothing to do with that huh.

pthh indeed.

Now this is where you reply telling me to leave all this left/right/political/government/ethical/religious talk to the adults.

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by ah_19
jane/hawk

you want hate speech, explain why being the champions of peace and justice that you are, you never brouth this up, or why you never justified any of it, have fun

And David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) wrote: " If I were
an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal;
we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how
could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been
Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?
They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why
would they accept that?" (Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif
"The Jewish Paradox", pp. 121-122).

Agreed. How does this qualify as "hate" speech? (I'm talking here in terms of comparison to the dramatised blood libel cited at the start of this thread).

[/b]"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces (New York Times, 14 April 1983)

[/b]

Ah, yes, hate speech. Eitan speaks like a true extreme zionist. Please demonstrate how sentiments like this are the "norm" in israeli society - eg in the kids school text books.

Then please demonstrate how "hate speech" is NOT THE NORM in Arab schools and media.

"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could describe events in South Africa."
Archbishop Desmond Tutu, during Christmas visit to Jerusalem, December 25, 1989 (Ha'aretz; cited in Palestine Perspectives, January/February 1990)

I'm sure it "could" be described as like SA. Note Tutu doesn't say "is like" or "is identical to".

"When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves--that is only half the truth. . . the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict, which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves."--David Ben-Gurion (1938)

Agreed. Again, how does this qualify as "hate speech".


[qupteGenetic research that shows Jewish and Palestinians are close relatives is suppressed, ripped out of scholarly journals, because it violates biblical and political doctrine. <http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html> {/quote]

?????

"... it is the duty of the [Israeli] leadership to explain to the public a number of truths. One truth is that there is no Zionism, no settlement, and no Jewish state without evacuating Arabs, and without expropriating lands and their fencing off."
-- Yesha'ayahu Ben-Porat, (Yedi'ot Aharonot 07/14/1972) responding to public controversy regarding the Israeli evictions of Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, in 1972. (Cited in Nur Masalha's "A Land Without A People" 1997, p.98)

Agreed. Reprehensible - but "hate speech" - as in the blood libel peddled by the Syrians and other Arabs?

"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."

-- Moshe Sharett, Israel's first Foreign Minister and later a Prime Minister (p.51 Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel", 1987).

Agreed. But what is Sharett referring to here? What is the context? How does it qualify as "hate speech"?

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle."
-- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)

You're doubling up on your quotes Ah 19.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
--Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein

Now that is hate speech! Please demonstrate how the extremist Perin's views are taught in all Israeli schools and propagated daily via the Israeli media and dramatised on Israeli TV ?

"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."

--Professor Ben-Zion Dinur Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954 from History of the Haganah

Almost qualifies, but you need to give the full context Ah_19, otherwise can't tell if Dinur is speaking in the context of the continual war of the Arabs against the jewish state?

" Here lies the saint, Doctor Baruch Kapal Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord revenge his blood, who devoted his soul for the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are clean and his heart is clear. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754.

-- Thus goes the inscription on the grave, (made as a shrine visited by pilgrims), of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein. An American Physician and an Israeli settler of Hebron, Goldstein indiscriminately murdered 29 worshipers kneeling in a mosque in 1994."

Doubling up again. Please demonstrate how these extremist views are mainstream in Israeli schools and media.

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion."
--Ben Gurion

Another realistic Ben Gurion statement. But what is the context? Is he talking about territorial expansion - or population expansion via Aliyah?

"The main difference between Bosnia and Palestine is that ethnic cleansing in the former took place in the form of dramatic massacres and slaughters which caught the world's attention, whereas in Palestine what is taking place is a drop-by-drop tactic in which one or two houses are demolished daily, a few acres are taken here and there every day, a few people are forced to leave"
--Edward Said (Washington Report 09/1998)

Agreed. Reprehensible. But are you saying this is "hate speech" - or are you arguing that policies like this justify the old blood libels?

"... we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads? In five years we may have 200,000 less people -- and that is a matter of enorous importance."
-- Moshe Dayan encouraging the transfer of Gaza strip refugees to Jordan (from Noam Chomsky's Deterring Democracy, 1992, p.434, quoted in Nur Masalha's A Land Without A People, 1997 p.92).

Noah Chomsky is hardly a disinterested source. Can you provide the original alleged quote from Dayan and its context?

"I don't sign orders to destroy the houses of Jews, only of Arabs,"
-- Haim Miller, deputy mayor of Jerusalem and acting mayor in Olmert's absence, quoted in Yediot Aharonot, Feb. 7, 1998.

No doubt true. Reprehensible. Definitely hateful. Not quite a blood libel though.

"I know how at least 80% of all the incidents with Syria started. We were sending a tractor to the demilitarized zone and we knew that the Syrians will shoot. If they did not shoot, we would instruct the tractor to go deeper, till the Syrians finally got upset and start shooting. Then we employed artillery, and later also the air-force... I did that... and Yitzhak Rabin did that, when he was there..."
-- Moshe Dayan in a 05/1997 revelation

Was Dayan making a confession here, Ah_19?

Aggression: "The Jews again today appeared to be on the offensive, roughly two-thirds of the incidents being initiated by them and in their operations they showed evidence of planning, something absent in general from the Arab attacks."
-- The New York Times, 12/12/1947 from p. 53 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff, (1995)

No doubt true. And the arabs weren't being aggressive against the new jewish state?

"Till then everyone in Israel spoke about Arabs who had just run away in 1948, but there existed no real historical research on it. There were two conflicting propaganda versions, one Arab and another Jewish. As one who received his education in Israel, I thought I knew that the Arabs had 'run away.' But I knew nothing else. The Jewish generations of 1948, however, knew the truth and deliberately misrepresented it. They knew there were plenty of mass deportations, massacres and rapes . . . . The soldiers and the officials knew, but they suppressed what they knew and were deliberately disseminating lies."
-- Israeli Historian Benny Morris in an interview with Rami Tal published in Israeli Daily Yediot Ahronot December 1994.

Benny Morris was one of the new post zionist revisionist historians who flourished in Israel post Oslo. This is when the Israeli Education department de zionised all its schoolbooks in favour of the palestinian perspective in preparation for peace.

Benny Morris is today a chastened commentator, but I won't bore you with all his recanting quotes.

"in 1948, we deliberately, and not just in the heat of the war, expelled Arabs. Also in 67 after the Six-Day War, we expelled many Arabs."
-- Tzvi Shiloah, a senior veteran of the Mapai Party and a former deputy mayor of the town of Hertzeliyah. (Modelet, no.12, October 1989)

No doubt they did. They were fighting a war for their survival..

Looting: "Indiscriminate plundering of Palestinian property by Jews [in 1948] was so common that it caused Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to confide to his diary that he was 'bitterly surprised' by the 'mass robbery' in which all parts of the population participated. [...] Tom Segev reported: 'In Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem there were many civilians among the looters.' Another Israeli writer, Moshe Smilanky, reported: 'Individuals, groups and communities, men, women and children, all fell on the spoils. Doors, windows, lintels, brinks, roof-tiles, floor-tiles, junk and machine parts ...' Segev commented that Smilansky 'could have also added to the list toilet bowls, sinks, faucets and light bulbs.'"
-- p.68 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff

No doubt they did.

Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "
-- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

Again, please provide the original of this quote and its context.

Summary "Jews came and took, by means of uprooting and expulsion, a land that was Arab. We wanted to be a colonialist occupier, and yet to come across as moral at the same time."
-- Israeli Professor ILan Pappe (from http://www.middleeast.org/1999_01_29.htm)

Many jews hold this view. However Pappe would be more accurate if he'd added "but for the first 27 years of jewish immigration we bought the land legally off arab landholders. In fact the Arabs offered us far more land than we could afford to buy. And in fact the so called Arab nationalists sold us the most land")

Ehud Barak Ha'aretz June 3rd, 1998 issue reported a revealing slip by Ehud Barak, Rabin's Labor Party successor, sharing the frustration of the Palestinians:

"If I were Palestinian, I'd also join terror group."

Well so would I. How does this qualify as "hate speech"?

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
-- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.[/qupte]

You are doubling up again Ah_19.

"There is nothing quite like the misery one feels listening to a 35-year-old [Palestinian] man who worked fifteen years as an illegal day laborer in Israel in order to save up money to build a house for his family only to be shocked one day upon returning from work to find that the house and all that was in it had been flattened by an Israeli bulldozer. When I asked why this was done - the land, after all, was his - I was told that a paper given to him the next day by an Israeli soldier stated that he had built the structure without a license. Where else in the world are people required to have a license (always denied them) to build on their own property? Jews can build, but never Palestinians. This is apartheid." Edward Said, in "The Nation", May 4, 1998.

Yes, the Palestinians are treated badly. On the other hand, the Palestinians have been at war against the jews for over eighty years. Are you arguing that Isareli actions like these justify govt sponsored TV dramas like the subject of this thread?

from the perspective of the Jews, (to be) the most important public-relations act ever committed in our favor" according to a Maariv columnist.
( refering to s11)

I agree. So would Saddam Hussein and Col Gaddafi. And no doubt Yasser would too.

oh no, it cant be true, zionists are perfect, cuddly and love teddy bears and want to sing songs and hug you, its all the filty arabs fault

1. where have I ever said zionists are perfect?

2. Go back to the start of this thread, look at the video again and then demonstrate how Israeli media and schoolbooks are filled with similiar examples of racist libels against Arabs.

The paucity of comparable examples of jewish "hate speech" you were able to find rather proves my point.

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon
Some perspective, peoples. Look at how some of these supposed "Islamofascists" from Syria ( ) entertain themselves. They don't look much different from your average Western folk.

Do you think they all go home and watch Al-Manar? If so, scary.

 

[Lestat]

Do you know the saddest thing Jane.....you actually believe all this rubbish you post.

You honestly think that none of those quotes qualify as 'hate speech's'?? You somehow managed to defend all those quotes as best you could...even to the point of admitting some were 'reprehensible'....but not 'hate speeches'.

And my favorite was when you said .....

quote:
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Ehud Barak Ha'aretz June 3rd, 1998 issue reported a revealing slip by Ehud Barak, Rabin's Labor Party successor, sharing the frustration of the Palestinians:

"If I were Palestinian, I'd also join terror group."
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Well so would I. How does this qualify as "hate speech"?

So if you were a Palestinian you would join a terror group. But why....if you truly believe as you say you do...why the hell would you join a terror group? Stop being a hypocrite.....answers like 'no doubt they did', and 'how does that qualify as hate speech' are not answers. You are just deflecting issues that you have no response too

You need to take a long hard look at yourself......and let go of your hatred of arabs/muslims.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by GuruJane
quote:
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Ehud Barak Ha'aretz June 3rd, 1998 issue reported a revealing slip by Ehud Barak, Rabin's Labor Party successor, sharing the frustration of the Palestinians:

"If I were Palestinian, I'd also join terror group."
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Well so would I. How does this qualify as "hate speech"?

This seems like an unusual statement from our "real" leftist (read neo-Conservative). This reads to me like a fair justification of Palestinian terrorist groups, and by implication their actions.

So Jane, if you would join a terror group if you were Palestinian, how can you possibly justify decrying the actions of those who actually are in that situation. In fact coming from you this is a better argument against the actions of the Israelis than anything Lestat could come up with in months.

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lestat
So if you were a Palestinian you would join a terror group. But why....if you truly believe as you say you do...why the hell would you join a terror group?

T'would have been all those videos, watching since childhood at home and at school.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by GuruJane
T'would have been all those videos, watching since childhood at home and at school.

Is that how you explain your islamophobia???

 

[Hawkforce]

Originally posted by Mr Q
This seems like an unusual statement from our "real" leftist (read neo-Conservative).

Now I know glib associations such as above are par for the course on a board that allows BlueMark to claim that "socialism" has nuffin to do with "Marxism" - and still be allowed to peddle the fantasy that he is a "socialist".

But I thought you, at least, might know enough of marxist theory to avoid the rather desperate tactic of associating anyone claiming to be "pro-war" Left with the "Neo-Cons".

Be honest now - you don't really know what a "neo-con" is do you? Have you read "PNAC"? Is it enough that their foreign policy of democratisation matches the "Pro war Left's" ignoring the vast differences in social and economic ideology???

Is it better to associate all Pro-war argument with the "neo-cons" because a lot of them are Jews, and therefore we are all slaves to the great conspiracy?

Or maybe the "Pro-war Left" is a real, tangible, increasingly radicalised movement that is forming a united front (in much the same way as the Anti-war "Left" have marched with groups who advocate death for homosexuals; submission for women; and theocracy... amongst other great socialist ideals ) and will no longer allow the perversion and misrepresentation of marxism by reactionary hypocrites to go unchallenged???

Try here and here for examples...

Originally posted by Mr Q
This reads to me like a fair justification of Palestinian terrorist groups, and by implication their actions.

Of course it does! Lestat led you, sheeplike, to this inevitable conclusion.

But you knew your conclusion was awry - how could it sit with what GuruJane has said before?

Ah, who cares about thinking?!?!

Originally posted by Mr Q
So Jane, if you would join a terror group if you were Palestinian, how can you possibly justify decrying the actions of those who actually are in that situation. In fact coming from you this is a better argument against the actions of the Israelis than anything Lestat could come up with in months.

I don't mean this to sound as... absolute and accusational... as it will inevitably come across - anyway...

You aare falling into the same trap that Lestat has either fallen for, or has chosen to disseminate.

Someone says "If I was Palestinian I would join a terror group" - why do you immediately assume that the responsibility for the person feeling that way is solely Israel's???

Solely.

This is the crux of the issue. No responsibility is EVER ascribed to Palestinians themselves. It doesn't even cross your mind.

Just like the links to the Syrian TV show portraying the "blood libel" myth about Jews on another thread was either ignored, or worse, apologised for by most of the worthy denizens of this site.

When someone says "If I was Palestinian, I'd join a terror group" they are referring not necessarily only to repression of the Israeli occupation but also to the education, corruption, skewed Islamism, and complete lack of accountability that surrounds everyday Palestinian life.

This is the side of the debate you won't address. It doesn't matter how many times the likes of myself state that we want a complete withdrawal to 67 lines by Israel - all Lestat has to do is accuse us of being Zionist anti-muslims and everyone backs off from real engagement.

Until BOTH sides are addressed objectively and realistically there will never be any peace. How can Palestinians ever be expected to live next to Israel in peace when they are taught the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in school? Schools funded by the EU by the way... How can Israelis be expected to learn and trust and befriend Arabs when learning Arabic is not compulsory in Israeli schools?

These are the real issues that MATTER.

Now back to your original point

If I was an Israeli, I would be helping build that security wall myself - brick by brick.

Does this justify Israeli actions? Does it make me a Zionist Jew-nazi? Does it reflect majority opinion in Israel?

I'm not Israeli. Therefore I oppose the wall. But if I were Israeli I think I'd support it.

Just as if I was Palestinian I think I'd be a terrorist.

Vicious cycle huh?

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Hawkforce

This is the crux of the issue. No responsibility is EVER ascribed to Palestinians themselves. It doesn't even cross your mind.

The interesting thing about Mr Q's post is that it obviously never occurred to him what I mean't when I said I'd be a terrorist too ... despite me starting this thread which is all about the most vicious anti jewish propaganda and despite all the debates I've had with Mr Q in various threads.

My goodness how Israel looms over people's consciousnesses .. the darkest Vader of Vaders ... and blots out their rational brain cells

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lestat
Is that how you explain your islamophobia???

Lestat - is being against islamofascism the same as being islamophobic?

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by GuruJane
Lestat - is being against islamofascism the same as being islamophobic?

You tell me Jane?? Is there any Islam that you are not against???

The fact that you are using the term 'islamofascism' speaks volumes. I once asked you earlier...and you failed to answer me...

What is islamofascism?? What does it mean??

Is their any such thing as 'Christofacism'...or 'judeofascism'.....or even 'hindufacism'?? if so....then perhaps you can explain to me exactly what they are too.

Was Mussolini a Catholicafascist?? Is Sharon a Judeofascist??

If not...then why not....is it only 'Islamofacism' that exists in your eyes Jane??

Do share....what exactly is Islamofacism jane....what are you talking about?

And who exactly are these 'Islamofascists' that you so go on about?? Were the Taliban 'Islamofascists'?? Is Bin Laden 'Islamofascists'?? Saddam Hussien...was he an Islamofascist? What about the Saudi's...the sworn enemies of Bin Laden...are they 'Islamofascists'??

Or is it just any muslims that you don't like?? Are they Islamofascists....am I an Islamofascists??

Are their any muslims who are not Islamofascists??

And finally...perhaps you can search through the Quran...the hadiths, and just show me one aspect of Islam...just one, which you could describe as fascist in nature.

PS...is being anti-zionist the same as being anti-jewish?? (just remember...you have answered this question in the past..and I can always refer back to that post

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lestat
You tell me Jane?? Is there any Islam that you are not against???

The fact that you are using the term 'islamofascism' speaks volumes. I once asked you earlier...and you failed to answer me...

What is islamofascism?? What does it mean??

Is their any such thing as 'Christofacism'...or 'judeofascism'.....or even 'hindufacism'?? if so....then perhaps you can explain to me exactly what they are too.

Was Mussolini a Catholicafascist?? Is Sharon a Judeofascist??

If not...then why not....is it only 'Islamofacism' that exists in your eyes Jane??

Do share....what exactly is Islamofacism jane....what are you talking about?

And who exactly are these 'Islamofascists' that you so go on about?? Were the Taliban 'Islamofascists'?? Is Bin Laden 'Islamofascists'?? Saddam Hussien...was he an Islamofascist? What about the Saudi's...the sworn enemies of Bin Laden...are they 'Islamofascists'??

Or is it just any muslims that you don't like?? Are they Islamofascists....am I an Islamofascists??

Are their any muslims who are not Islamofascists??

And finally...perhaps you can search through the Quran...the hadiths, and just show me one aspect of Islam...just one, which you could describe as fascist in nature.

PS...is being anti-zionist the same as being anti-jewish?? (just remember...you have answered this question in the past..and I can always refer back to that post

Using Webster's Dictionary definition of fascism:

"2. A political philosophy and movement of extreme nationalism, militaristic imperialism, suppression of civil rights, and opposition to democratic social progress, expressed through the efforts of a fanatic minority to seize complete political power"

I believe the term "islamofascism" was first coined by the English writer Christopher Hitchens to describe the hijacking of Islam by the fundamentalists, in particular OBL and Al Quaeda.

The term "islamofascism" does not apply to the teachings of the Quran and the hadiths. It only applies to the "fanatic minority" trying to seize complete political power over 1.3 billion Muslims throughout the world and which is subverting the Quran and hadiths to its own ends, as I'm sure you would agree.

By trying to equate "islamofascism" with "islamophobia", Lestat, you are playing into their hands.

"Is being an anti zionist the same as being anti jewish"?

No more or less than being anti Pan Arab nationalism is being anti Islam or anti Arab.

However simply on the grounds of equity it is unreasonable to deny the jews their nation state where their religion predominates. So one has to question the underlying mindset of "anti zionists" who argue that the jews alone of all the religions should not have a state where they are in the majority.

 

[Hawkforce]

Originally posted by GuruJane


However simply on the grounds of equity it is unreasonable to deny the jews their nation state where their religion predominates. So one has to question the underlying mindset of "anti zionists" who argue that the jews alone of all the religions should not have a state where they are in the majority.

Oh puhleeze... Lestat, who alone amongst those likely to read this paragraph probably can understand it, will not respond.

Meanwhile, BlueMark will no doubt regale us with some recieved wisdom from his many close Jewish friends - or, more likely go off on some unrelated rant where he will use the phrase "filthy Palestinians" to imply that is how you refer to Palestinians.

Ah_19 will post a neverending stream of "quotes" proving beyond doubt that Israel not only controls the world and its media, but has a diabolical plan to exterminate all Arabs/Muslims...

What Ah_19 will fail to explain is the very simple (well... simple to all those who are not blind fanatics driven beyond all reason) question - if that's what the Zionists want, and that's how powerful the Zionists are - WHY PHARK AROUND???

But that would men having to face the reality - you know that reality where Israel remains nervous of those nations and terrorist groups openly sworn to wipe Israel off the face of the planet (maybe they should keep their plans secret like the Zionists???)...

Whatever the case, I can guarantee you that NO ONE (except for Zionist baby murderers) will bother to stand up and reject the blatant horrific HATE against JEWS (note that Lestat: its hate against JEWS not against Zionism) as expressed by Syrian TV - which was the PURPOSE of this thread.

Is Islamofascism the same as Islamophobia?

Pah!

The moment Lestat failed to condemn the Syrian TV broadcast linked in this thread is the moment Lestat lost all credibility.

No longer can he patronise us with his "Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Jewish" sleight of hand.

He's been exposed for the fundamentalist he is.

Take note Pseuds!

 

[dannyboy]

Such dizzying intellects you all have!

This is all very interesting....but seriously you people really need to lighten up a bit!!......its only life....religion.....race....meh who cares......just live!

peace.

 

[BlueMark]

Originally posted by GuruJane


However simply on the grounds of equity it is unreasonable to deny the jews their nation state where their religion predominates. So one has to question the underlying mindset of "anti zionists" who argue that the jews alone of all the religions should not have a state where they are in the majority.

And how did that state of affairs occur Jane, would not have anything to do with the forced explusion of Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would it?

Sorry Hawk did not need to refer to my Jewish friends for that one.

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by BlueMark
And how did that state of affairs occur Jane, would not have anything to do with the forced explusion of Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians would it?

Sorry Hawk did not need to refer to my Jewish friends for that one.

It occurred when the UN voted for it with a more than two thirds majority.

 

[BlueMark]

Jane we all know that the UN voted for a Isreali state, as they did in the same motion a Palestinian one The questioned I asked Jane was. How did Isreal become predominatly Jewish, you know like 80% of the population? Where did all the Palestinians go and did they leave voluntarily?

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by BlueMark
Jane we all know that the UN voted for a Isreali state, as they did in the same motion a Palestinian one The questioned I asked Jane was. How did Isreal become predominatly Jewish, you know like 80% of the population? Where did all the Palestinians go and did they leave voluntarily?

The ones the filthy zionazis didn't massacre, they drove into the sea .... didn't they?