Strategy A serious thread about Dimma's future

[Achilles Heel]

It's hardwicks job to teach the players how to deal with pressure situations in tight games, and prevent the opposition getting on a huge run. If particular players can't handle this, then it's his responsibility to drop them and replace then with ones that can. This is the most important thing for a coach to do, because all finals will be high pressure environments.

That this is still happening after 8 years means he has failed in this regard, and shows that he cannot coach a club to win a final.

Nah that's not hardwick responsibility, he isn't responsible for the teams performance unless we win

 

[aislegi]

He's actually so proud of them.

He can't call a spade a spade because the players wouldn't like him any more

 

[Achilles Heel]

https://titusoreily.com/afl/richmond accidentally extend-hardwick-2081

It's ok guys only a few more games

 

[pebblestone]

Need to bring Wallsy to the club and use some of his old training methods, get the players punching on with one another to harden up, need to stop playing like boys and act like men, get angry, become arrogant, attitude stinks and it needs to change.

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I know you're kidding, but there's some things you just don't joke about, and bringing Robert ****ing Walls to Richmond is one of them.

 

[TigerImposter]

Moreover, the board remind me of the type of punter who keeps backing a horse that keeps getting beaten because they can't bear to own up to the fact that they got it wrong

Or living in fear if DH went and coached the Camperdown U9 to a flag .

 

[MightyTiger]

I know you're kidding, but there's some things you just don't joke about, and bringing Robert ******* Walls to Richmond is one of them.

His coaching methods of just putting any player out of form into the ruck no longer works you reckon? [emoji1] [emoji1]

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[Rayzorwire]

On surface value, this is true.
I had family involved with the inner runnings of the Bulldogs when Wallace was there, and I would suggest that from what I know through that and the whispers you hear about his Richmond tenure, removing Wallace had a lot to do with internal troubles piled on top of his win / loss record. For everything that is said about Hardwick, the players love him. Players (and staff) didn't like Wallace.

You're right, Hardwick would never dump a Bowden level player back to the VFL because his form and attitude warranted it, or challenge the captain of the club to put his heart in the game instead of playing cheap and selfish football. Dimmer would pat them on the arse and let the rot continue.

It's no coincidence that virtually every single player listed with us in the Wallace era played the best football of their careers under him. He demanded their best, or else - exactly the way it should be. It worked well when Wallace had enough time left on his contract that the players knew it was his way or the highway. Once March had completely undermined him, the Campbellite's smelled blood and saw their chance for revenge on that awful, mean man who refused to give them a pass for serving up selfish rubbish instead of their honest best.

The missing ingredient was a board who backed that approach and fully supported the consequences - i.e. telling whingeing little bitches like Newman and the rest of the Campbellite clique that no, they weren't bigger than the club or its coach anymore (as they had been their whole careers until Wallace) and if they didn't like a big dose of the truth when they needed it, to go find somewhere else to ski downhill.

Half the players Wallace couldn't get to finals in '09 later found that they couldn't get a game at ANY other club and Hardwick didn't want them either.

 

[TigerImposter]

 

[MightyTiger]

Good job guys, feel better about yourselfes now? Got Rayzorwire talking up Wallace again.

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[Phar Ace]

Exaggeration and elements of truth there Razorwire. Wallace was a confusing tactician whose pre-game address and strategy whiteboard resembled Spirograph. Some of his players never stood a chance. Footballers have a tendency to be dumb or simpler beasts - they are however better paid beasts at AFL level.

Northey knew all that intuitively and coached with passion. Walls belittled and punished them, Frawley confused them and himself. Wallace over-estimated them, and now Dimma wants to be mates with them. It's an oversimplification but the best coach has some of all of that but mostly they just plain respect him (or her). Never mistake like for respect or visa versa.

To the posters who suggest Dimma will never coach Richmond to a finals win or premiership, be careful about the word 'never'. I don't think he will, be he could. We'll know soon enough.

 

[This Is Anfield]

I just think Hardwick and his failed development and failed ideas hang like a millstone around the neck of this club, which has given him eight years of fumbling about with little more than blind hope that there will be any substantial improvement

I believe, with no evidence, that the club believes that we are starting the third phase of Damien Hardwick's coaching. Three different Dimma's if you will.
1. The rock bottom club that needed to restore some self respect and build competitiveness - 2011 to 2014 and this could be considered successful. Finals and half a game outside the top four and that amazing 9 game run in 2014.
2. The "can we take the next step with this current crop" club that needed to make prelims - 2015 very nearly and overall was a very positive year. 2016 was not a very positive year. The list and the game plan failed to progress, remember that this has been the only disastrous season in his tenure, and something needed to change.
My feeling is that this was the period when the club showed courage in sticking with Damien as I believe that they also believed that we needed a couple of steps back. Yes, some arguments can be strongly made against this.
3. 2017 onwards. We have gathered some draft picks, traded and drafted well, I feel Prestia will come good as he is a very good player and have played some very good football so far.
It may not work out and DH may be replaced sooner rather than later. If he is then he has laid a pretty solid foundation for the next bloke.
It may work out as the comp evens out, I hope so but I really can't see the future.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

https://titusoreily.com/afl/richmond accidentally extend-hardwick-2081

It's ok guys only a few more games

Why are you repeating what that dees supporter dribbles?

Hes worse than bloody mario

 

[This Is Anfield]

Why are you repeating what that dees supporter dribbles?

Hes worse than bloody mario

I find Mario funny...is that bad?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I find Mario funny...is that bad?

The dude is a melbourne supporting flog

I wish soldier ants would go to town on his man bits!

 

[aislegi]

I believe, with no evidence, that the club believes that we are starting the third phase of Damien Hardwick's coaching. Three different Dimma's if you will.
1. The rock bottom club that needed to restore some self respect and build competitiveness - 2011 to 2014 and this could be considered successful. Finals and half a game outside the top four and that amazing 9 game run in 2014.
2. The "can we take the next step with this current crop" club that needed to make prelims - 2015 very nearly and overall was a very positive year. 2016 was not a very positive year. The list and the game plan failed to progress, remember that this has been the only disastrous season in his tenure, and something needed to change.
My feeling is that this was the period when the club showed courage in sticking with Damien as I believe that they also believed that we needed a couple of steps back. Yes, some arguments can be strongly made against this.
3. 2017 onwards. We have gathered some draft picks, traded and drafted well, I feel Prestia will come good as he is a very good player and have played some very good football so far.
It may not work out and DH may be replaced sooner rather than later. If he is then he has laid a pretty solid foundation for the next bloke.
It may work out as the comp evens out, I hope so but I really can't see the future.

I don't disagree with too much of the above but I'm still at a loss as to why the board is so adamant that he's such a good coach that he should get a tenure of eight or nine years. I appreciate your argument that he was coming off a low base but, even so, the history of the league is littered with examples of teams making rapid progress up the ladder and, to my way of thinking, there's no great mystery as to why this hasn't happened for Hardwick: He's a mediocre coach and our recruitment and development has been substandard. Our results tell us this.

 

[Phar Ace]

I believe, with no evidence, that the club believes that we are starting the third phase of Damien Hardwick's coaching. Three different Dimma's if you will.
1. The rock bottom club that needed to restore some self respect and build competitiveness - 2011 to 2014 and this could be considered successful. Finals and half a game outside the top four and that amazing 9 game run in 2014.
2. The "can we take the next step with this current crop" club that needed to make prelims - 2015 very nearly and overall was a very positive year. 2016 was not a very positive year. The list and the game plan failed to progress, remember that this has been the only disastrous season in his tenure, and something needed to change.
My feeling is that this was the period when the club showed courage in sticking with Damien as I believe that they also believed that we needed a couple of steps back. Yes, some arguments can be strongly made against this.
3. 2017 onwards. We have gathered some draft picks, traded and drafted well, I feel Prestia will come good as he is a very good player and have played some very good football so far.
It may not work out and DH may be replaced sooner rather than later. If he is then he has laid a pretty solid foundation for the next bloke.
It may work out as the comp evens out, I hope so but I really can't see the future.

Nope. Rose coloured glasses. I'.m constantly amazed at how so many people really rated the three finals appearances. They are better than not being there but at least treat them with how they rank.

• 2013 was the high point as a team and Club. Deserved to be there and should have progressed.
• 2014 was a great ride as a supporter but we were not that good- the 10th best team actually.
• 2015 wasn't much chop either as the Tiges only beat 4 teams in the 8 - AND ONE OF THOSE WAS NORTH'S RESERVE SIDE! Not that deserving really. Port was outside the eight and they beat 6 teams in the Top 8.
• We agree on 2016 - it was really crap football, the genesis of which was created after the end 2013 when Dimma decided the team needed to learn tempo football, which transformed in his mind to chipping the ball around.
• At best the jury is out for 2017, could easily end up 13th, hope we make the finals though.

 

[TigerImposter]

I don't disagree with too much of the above but I'm still at a loss as to why the board is so adamant that he's such a good coach that he should get a tenure of eight or nine years. I appreciate your argument that he was coming off a low base but, even so, the history of the league is littered with examples of teams making rapid progress up the ladder and, to my way of thinking, there's no great mystery as to why this hasn't happened for Hardwick: He's a mediocre coach and our recruitment and development has been substandard. Our results tell us this.

amen.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Nope. Rose coloured glasses. I'.m constantly amazed at how so many people really rated the three finals appearances. They are better than not being there but at least treat them with how they rank.

• 2013 was the high point as a team and Club. Deserved to be there and should have progressed.
• 2014 was a great ride as a supporter but we were not that good- the 10th best team actually.
• 2015 wasn't much chop either as the Tiges only beat 4 teams in the 8 - AND ONE OF THOSE WAS NORTH'S RESERVE SIDE! Not that deserving really. Port was outside the eight and they beat 6 teams in the Top 8.
• We agree on 2016 - it was really crap football, the genesis of which was created after the end 2013 when Dimma decided the team needed to learn tempo football, which transformed in his mind to chipping the ball around.
• At best the jury is out for 2017, could easily end up 13th, hope we make the finals though.

Nope. I've analysed my opinion and it's still 100% my opinion.
In fact, apart from the wording our summations of the seasons aren't far apart.
What I was trying to do was articulate why I thought the club stuck with Dimma and I could understand, from afar as I have no internal knowledge of the workings or mindset of the Richmond powers that be, why they did.
As I have posted many, many times in many, many threads in many, many different ways, I am not a disciple of Damien Hardwick and think that we must keep him at any cost but I do have a bit of faith in the current administration of the club and as such will back their decision to retain Damien.
If we parted ways then I would accept that decision as well.
I can understand why some want change. I don't understand some posters unreasonable aggression towards Dimma and the club.
A question for all - do you think it is possible for an individual to grow into a role, learn from past errors and improve considerably in that role?

 

[Joey longshadow]

I know you're kidding, but there's some things you just don't joke about, and bringing Robert ******* Walls to Richmond is one of them.

That shit stain Walls should never have been allowed within 10KM of punt rd ..completely f@#ked our club and started the rot that followed with Spud and Terry ....i just wish back then we had agreed to give Northey the extra year he was after on his contract ...things could have been so different ..sliding f@#kin doors

 

[aislegi]

That shit stain Walls should never have been allowed within 10KM of punt rd ..completely f@#ked our club and started the rot that followed with Spud and Terry ....i just wish back then we had agreed to give Northey the extra year he was after on his contract ...things could have been so different ..sliding f@#kin doors

Agree. In fact, you need several decimal points on your calculator to split Northey's winning pecentage (47.76%) from Hardwick's, yet, as you say, we let Northey walk away after a mere three years. It is almost as though Hardwick's ludicrously long tenure is some kind of misguided attempt to right past wrongs.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Agree. In fact, you need several decimal points on your calculator to split Northey's winning pecentage (47.76%) from Hardwick's, yet, as you say, we let Northey walk away after a mere three years. It is almost as though Hardwick's ludicrously long tenure is some kind of misguided attempt to right past wrongs.

Totally different circumstances back then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mal Brown stick his bib in and have a blue with Swooper's partner?
Very messy and avoidable.
Really, really enjoyed '95. **apart from the PF**

 

[TigerImposter]

After 8 years there are still people discussing the possibility of an individual learning and growing into a role. What a load of pig shit as nobody would get this luxury in any other vocation . Then they try and back it up by saying they have faith in the administration who have employed numpty after numpty. Eight years of this and they have nothing to show for it and one administrator has been there since the departure of Frawley and has not seen a finals win . It's propaganda like Gale spilled out that he felt DH had the attributes of being a premiership coach. Yet the mumbling baffoon couldn't give us one single attribute. They're all incompetent at making the hard calls and this is why we've stagnated since 2012, yet people eat it. It's no wonder they're doing nothing about it as they have the majority of the stakeholders hood winked and it wouldn't surprise me if they gave some brown noses some perks to post propaganda on forums.

 

[HTT]

Nope. Rose coloured glasses. I'.m constantly amazed at how so many people really rated the three finals appearances. They are better than not being there but at least treat them with how they rank.

• 2013 was the high point as a team and Club. Deserved to be there and should have progressed.
• 2014 was a great ride as a supporter but we were not that good- the 10th best team actually.
• 2015 wasn't much chop either as the Tiges only beat 4 teams in the 8 - AND ONE OF THOSE WAS NORTH'S RESERVE SIDE! Not that deserving really. Port was outside the eight and they beat 6 teams in the Top 8.
• We agree on 2016 - it was really crap football, the genesis of which was created after the end 2013 when Dimma decided the team needed to learn tempo football, which transformed in his mind to chipping the ball around.
• At best the jury is out for 2017, could easily end up 13th, hope we make the finals though.

2014 - you thought Adelaide and West Coast were better than us I'm guessing? We beat both of them in that run, on their turf, and in a virtual elimination final vs Adelaide.
2015 - when there's only 7 other top 8 teams, and those teams are the best in the league, 4/7 is really not poor. And there's no doubting we were good enough given we knocked off 3 of the top 4.

 

[aislegi]

After 8 years there are still people discussing the possibility of an individual learning and growing into a role. What a load of pig shit as nobody would get this luxury in any other vocation . Then they try and back it up by saying they have faith in the administration who have employed numpty after numpty. Eight years of this and they have nothing to show for it and one administrator has been there since the departure of Frawley and has not seen a finals win . It's propaganda like Gale spilled out that he felt DH had the attributes of being a premiership coach. Yet the mumbling baffoon couldn't give us one single attribute. They're all incompetent at making the hard calls and this is why we've stagnated since 2012, yet people eat it. It's no wonder they're doing nothing about it as they have the majority of the stakeholders hood winked and it wouldn't surprise me if they gave some brown noses some perks to post propaganda on forums.

People running around posting on forums in defence of those in positions of prominence is definitely a thing that goes on and they never reveal their reasons for doing so but it's often so systematic that it's hard to believe it's being left to chance and I know this from experience on horse racing forums - where, if you ever dare to put your head up and ask questions about one of the leading stables, you're certain to have an army of people come out of the woodwork and take potshots at you

 

[This Is Anfield]

People running around posting on forums in defence of those in positions of prominence is definitely a thing that goes on and they never reveal their reasons for doing so but it's often so systematic that it's hard to believe it's being left to chance and I know this from experience on horse racing forums - where, if you ever dare to put your head up and ask questions about one of the leading stables, you're certain to have an army of people come out of the woodwork and take potshots at you

And here was I thinking that you and I were having a reasonable and civilized discussion!