Toast A Step In The Right Direction

[Maggie5]

I’m not interested in your gross simplification.

Here is another 'fact':

Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australians a staggering $10.3 billion in FY 2020-21 with one Commonwealth tax break alone ($7.84 billion) exceeding the $7.82 billion spent on the Australian Army, according to research released today by The Australia Institute.

In fact, $10.3 billion in Government subsidies means that in 2020, every minute of every day $19,686 was effectively given to coal, oil and gas companies and major users of fossil fuels.

Do you think the 'handouts' are more or less than the above?

 

[Pie eyed]

It's only divisive on social media.

In the real world, 95% of Australians just go about enjoying the public holiday and appreciating the freedoms we have in Australia.

And will no matter what date it is.

 

[Jonno94]

Judging from the training reports its going to be a long couple of seasons before this squad starts winning games regularly.

 

[Markfs]

Are you saying this is a bad thing? Cheering for the men who sacrificed so much for us?

the day started as a remembrance day for the guys who marched. my grandfather went to WWI. He came back and only went to anzac days to meet up with those who returned. He never marched, as far as I know. I dont know if he wanted to be cheered for coming back. Some guys might appreciate it. I just remember it being more sombre when i was young...

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

How do we ‘fix’ ignorance and apathy?

Don’t know and couldn’t be bothered

 

[jmac70]

It's highly offensive to state facts?

Unfortunately facts don't care about feelings, they're just facts. None of that is my opinion, it's just the objective truth about government services and benefits to indigenous Australians.

You don’t state facts, just generalisations.

 

[Lockyer24]

Keep dreaming. Give them an inch…

Once the date is changed, the next debate will revolve around the idea of whether Australia Day should be celebrated at all.

I’m well aware lefties (not aboriginals) are self loathing losers who hate the idea of “bogans” being happy on Australia Day and enjoying themselves.

But it’s an easy win to change the date and im happy to find out. Jan 26 is pretty meaningless, any date to celebrate this great country I’m happy to roll with. I just hope we can then move on.

 

[leon123]

You don't need to compare them to every group on the planet genius, only a handful of 1st world countries have social handouts to the same scale as Australia, and none of them have anything on the same scale for a particular race only like Australia does for Indigenous Australians.

Go google the benefits Indigenous Australians get, from education all the way from primary school to any university through scholarships, indigenous employment programs at all government organisations (and most big businesses) extra benefits in prison, bonuses on your VCE ATAR, extra loans and financial assistance, employment grants, centrelink and housing assistance (only for indigenous people), free health checks up (indigenous only). Free legal services, Indigenous work-for-the-dole program, wage subsides for indigenous employees...

The list actually goes on for much longer, and that's not even getting into the community based programs the government has set up in Indigenous areas, of which there are tonnes.

So, in short, the Aus Government is actually doing a SHITLOAD for indigenous Australians, and to deny that is absolutely dumb and deliberately misleading.

such a simplistic thought process.

corporate and tax welfare dwarfs the above

 

[jmac70]

Keep dreaming. Give them an inch…

Once the date is changed, the next debate will revolve around the idea of whether Australia Day should be celebrated at all.

Shocking post.
“Give them an inch.” This is the attitude that our club are now thankfully moving on from.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I’m well aware lefties (not aboriginals) are self loathing losers who hate the idea of “bogans” being happy on Australia Day and enjoying themselves.

But it’s an easy win to change the date and im happy to find out. Jan 26 is pretty meaningless, any date to celebrate this great country I’m happy to roll with. I just hope we can then move on.

Yeah that ain't happenin.

Abolish the day and hope for the best, anything less and the bickering will continue.

 

[jmac70]

I’m well aware lefties (not aboriginals) are self loathing losers who hate the idea of “bogans” being happy on Australia Day and enjoying themselves.

But it’s an easy win to change the date and im happy to find out. Jan 26 is pretty meaningless, any date to celebrate this great country I’m happy to roll with. I just hope we can then move on.

Do you really believe in such generalisations? It may blow your mind to know that there are “lefties” who want to keep the date.

Why does politics even need to be part of the discussion?

 

[jmac70]

So you're saying a large billion dollar corporation gets more money in gross amounts than an individual person?

Well I'll be damned, you are a qualified economist...

This has got to be one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever seen.

 

[jmac70]

Ah, so the billion dollar company sector gets more gross money than individuals? Again, thanks for pointing out that amazing piece of relevant information.

And again, even though Leon clarified.

 

[jmac70]

Are you saying this is a bad thing? Cheering for the men who sacrificed so much for us?

Not what he meant, but you now that don’t you?

 

[jmac70]

You don't need to compare them to every group on the planet genius, only a handful of 1st world countries have social handouts to the same scale as Australia, and none of them have anything on the same scale for a particular race only like Australia does for Indigenous Australians.

Go google the benefits Indigenous Australians get, from education all the way from primary school to any university through scholarships, indigenous employment programs at all government organisations (and most big businesses) extra benefits in prison, bonuses on your VCE ATAR, extra loans and financial assistance, employment grants, centrelink and housing assistance (only for indigenous people), free health checks up (indigenous only). Free legal services, Indigenous work-for-the-dole program, wage subsides for indigenous employees...

The list actually goes on for much longer, and that's not even getting into the community based programs the government has set up in Indigenous areas, of which there are tonnes.

So, in short, the Aus Government is actually doing a SHITLOAD for indigenous Australians, and to deny that is absolutely dumb and deliberately misleading.

What does any of this have to do with changing the date of Australia Day?

 

[Kappa]

such a simplistic thought process.

corporate and tax welfare dwarfs the above

Why do you keep trying to compare individual welfare to large corporation welfare? How does comparing apples to oranges mean anything? Also Indigenous Australians can benefit from that welfare too, so its a dumb point.

What does any of this have to do with changing the date of Australia Day?

Well multiple things have been discussed.

Tell me Jmac, have you donated your time to help a minority group less fortunate than yourself?

 

[jmac70]

Why do you keep trying to compare individual welfare to large corporation welfare? How does comparing apples to oranges mean anything? Also Indigenous Australians can benefit from that welfare too, so its a dumb point.



Well multiple things have been discussed.

Tell me Jmac, have you donated your time to help a minority group less fortunate than yourself?

Tell me Kap, what has any of what you’ve been going on about relevant to changing the date of Australia Day?

 

[Kappa]

Tell me Kap, what has any of what you’ve been going on about relevant to changing the date of Australia Day?

Very, very few posts in the last few pages have been 100% on the original topic, you should tell all those people too.

But anyway, can you just answer one question, have you donated your time to help a minority group less fortunate than yourself?

 

[leon123]

Why do you keep trying to compare individual welfare to large corporation welfare? How does comparing apples to oranges mean anything? Also Indigenous Australians can benefit from that welfare too, so its a dumb point.



Well multiple things have been discussed.

Tell me Jmac, have you donated your time to help a minority group less fortunate than yourself?

Dumb point hey. How about one ceases with your childish, rude and angry language hey.

Why are you so angry? didnt ya mum hug u enough as a child.

You stated how much MORE indigenous receive. Besides that being simply incorrect, i highlighted that there are many other groups that have significant greater rates, quantum and incidence of 'welfare', another example you may fail to understand the capital gains tax discount FYI that is applied at an individual level to

 

[jmac70]

Very, very few posts in the last few pages have been 100% on the original topic, you should tell all those people too.

But anyway, can you just answer one question, have you donated your time to help a minority group less fortunate than yourself?

Why on earth would I answer such a ridiculous question? It’s none of your business.

I’m still waiting for you to actually articulate a view point about Australia Day.

You’ve stated that Aboriginal people get more government help than any other indigenous people on Earth. Does this mean that you think they are not entitled to want Australia Day changed because they already get too much?

 

[Kappa]

Why on earth would I answer such a ridiculous question? It’s none of your business.

I’m still waiting for you to actually articulate a view point about Australia Day.

You’ve stated that Aboriginal people get more government help than any other indigenous people on Earth. Does this mean that you think they are not entitled to want Australia Day changed because they already get too much?

Why is it a ridiculous question? It's pretty simple, do you actually care enough about Indigenous issues to help fix them? Or do you just stick to looking good on social media about it.

 

[Kappa]

Dumb point hey. How about one ceases with your childish, rude and angry language hey.

Why are you so angry? didnt ya mum hug u enough as a child.

You stated how much MORE indigenous receive. Besides that being simply incorrect, i highlighted that there are many other groups that have significant greater rates, quantum and incidence of 'welfare', another example you may fail to understand the capital gains tax discount FYI that is applied at an individual level to

I actually said, there is no race on earth that gets more government benefits than Indigenous Australians, that is a fact. You then started arguing "but but corporate tax", which is completely irrelevant... You then kept arguing "but high middle income earners".. again, completely irrelevant to Indigenous Australians being given some advantages simply based on race.

You then finished with "but but capital gains tax discount"... For that to actually make sense in this argument, you would need to prove that Indigenous Australians cannot access capital gains tax discounts... Do you get it now? You just keep listing basic economic terms like it means something?

 

[jmac70]

Why is it a ridiculous question? It's pretty simple, do you actually care enough about Indigenous issues to help fix them? Or do you just stick to looking good on social media about it.

I’m not interested in your pitiful attempt to discredit. At my school you would have received a red card for that.

Put forward your view. Why have you raised Aboriginal funding? Let me help you articulate what you really want to say.

If Aboriginal people have received so much government help, why are so many remote communities living in poverty?

 

[Markfs]

I think if more white australians had a personal relationship with indigenous people, it would help the situation more than just changing australia day.

However, changing australia day gives indigenous people an indication that the rest of australia is willing to consider their interests. It's a simple thing to do that doesnt require anyone to serve meals to people or even give more money. It might just help. If it was changing anzac day, I could understand resistance. People would feel that they were letting down parents or grandparents who have died. But 26th feb is when the first fleet landed. A load of soldiers and convicts. It means so little

 

[Kappa]

I’m not interested in your pitiful attempt to discredit. At my school you would have received a red card for that.

Put forward your view. Why have you raised Aboriginal funding? Let me help you articulate what you really want to say.

If Aboriginal people have received so much government help, why are so many remote communities living in poverty?

That's fine about not being interested, but why can't you answer a basic question about your commitment to help indigenous Australians. You do want to help them, yes? Have you helped them?

I raised Indigenous funding because people like to claim that the Australian government doesn't listening to, or care about helping Indigenous Australians.