A Yank's thoughts

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by ok.crows
The Crows don't want Wallace.

Now this is where I think you are wrong. AFC is likely to go after someone like Wallace or Eade than any other coach out there.

AFC will not take a risk with the untried coach. Too big a club for that. Time will tell but I reckon at the end of the year Wallace will be at West Lakes.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by jc67
devil's advocate or the voice of reason?
I dont recon wallace is a good coach/option.
I recon at best he was fresh in his day and thats all.
In fact i would rather keep Ayres than get Wallace. and I have well and truly had enough of Ayres.

As the saying goes:

If you keep on doing what you're doing, then you'll keep on getting what you're getting.

You're obviously very easily pleased.

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by macca23
As the saying goes:

If you keep on doing what you're doing, then you'll keep on getting what you're getting.

You're obviously very easily pleased.

No not at all .
I just think Wallace would be a very big mistake!
Worse than bloody Shaw

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jc67
No not at all .
I just think Wallace would be a very big mistake!
Worse than bloody Shaw

And your reasons for that are??????

 

[jc67]

Any body recon Walls would come out of retirement?

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now this is where I think you are wrong. AFC is likely to go after someone like Wallace or Eade than any other coach out there.

AFC will not take a risk with the untried coach. Too big a club for that. Time will tell but I reckon at the end of the year Wallace will be at West Lakes.

Wallace was an under-achiever who failed in his 2 best attempts to make a Grand Final. I'm sure if Wallace had a great list he could do the same again. If his list is poor then he will put his tail between his legs and quit......
Shaw was not a great option at West Lakes why would we get another.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jc67
Any body recon Walls would come out of retirement?

Don't think so and I wouldn't want him. He just plain gives me the s***s

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And your reasons for that are??????

opinion more than reasons, but he's come from a simmilar background as Shaw, he coaches small and defensive, And his only real experiance is with the dogs( not a great resume).
I watched the year of the dog again last night (influanced by this board) and it didnt sway me that much, I simply think he took a fresh open aproach then and got big wraps for it I dont think he was ever that great.
BUT I also expect he will get the gig.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Watzsup
Wallace was an under-achiever who failed in his 2 best attempts to make a Grand Final. I'm sure if Wallace had a great list he could do the same again. If his list is poor then he will put his tail between his legs and quit......
Shaw was not a great option at West Lakes why would we get another.

Surely you are taking the p|ss. He did wonders with an ordinary list. He got the absolute best out of that list. He made ordinary players look good. He got the best out of some ordinary footballers.

Give him a good list and he will do wonders. Not that we have a very good list.

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Surely you are taking the p|ss. He did wonders with an ordinary list. He got the absolute best out of that list. He made ordinary players look good. He got the best out of some ordinary footballers.

Give him a good list and he will do wonders. Not that we have a very good list.

how do you recon matthews or blight would have done?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jc67
how do you recon matthews or blight would have done?

With that list, I don't think they would have done much better. Lets not forget that Wallace nearly had that side in the GF.

In all honesty, I think Wallace did a great job getting the most out of that list from the doggies. The same way Blight got the best out of out list in 97 and 98.

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Surely you are taking the p|ss. He did wonders with an ordinary list. He got the absolute best out of that list. He made ordinary players look good. He got the best out of some ordinary footballers.

If we talking about 97,98. I would have to disagree, I thought the Dogs had a good list and was easily a top 4 side in both years.
What was the reason for him quitting from the Dogs?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Watzsup

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Surely you are taking the p|ss. He did wonders with an ordinary list. He got the absolute best out of that list. He made ordinary players look good. He got the best out of some ordinary footballers.

If we talking about 97,98. I would have to disagree, I thought the Dogs had a good list and was easily a top 4 side in both years.
What was the reason for him quitting from the Dogs?

yes I am talking 97 and 98. We will have to agree to disagree.

You are suggesting that he bolted when the going got tough. Can I ask you how would you like to work in an environment as bad as it was at the doggies at the time. Club was fighting for survival, they were doing cost cutting throughout the football department. They couldn't afford to appoint the number of assistants he needed. He had to do a lot of promotional work.

As I said in the other thread. As footy supporters we are a passionate lot and loyalty counts more than anything but at the end of the day coaching is a career and its a job just like another job. I am pretty sure you wouldn't want to work in "unacceptable" working environemtn when you could get better security somewhere else.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by ok.crows
Let me also play devil's advocate.

1.Wallace as you say has stated a desire to stay in Melbourne. Wallace is "xenophobic" - hates interstate sides. Hates the Crows in particular.

2.Wallace is not an attacking coach - he likes the flood.

3.Wallace does not have any runs on the board. No flags. Two PF losses is his best achievement - and both of those games his side was red hot favourite and playing at home against an interstate side. One of those PF games he lost by 70+ points.

4.Wallace subsequently took the side that lost those two PF games down to near-bottom.

5.Wallace is probably the only coach in AFL history to sack himself and land himself on the unemployment queue.

6.The Crows don't want Wallace.

For someone who prides themselves on fact this is not one of your better attempts.

1. WRONG. Wallace stated on KG and Cornesy's show his criteria for him to want to coach again. There's no Melbourne side that will be available that even half fits his criteria. He also stated CLEARLY that he was prepared to move interstate to resume his career..You also seem to have forgotten a club called Sydney.

2. WRONG. Wallace used to use a combination of flood and attack, as the occasion demanded, which was designed to maximize his pretty thin playing stocks. His sides also weren't chipping sides. They used to run the ball quickly out of defence with attacking flair. See Matthews and Malthouse for similar tactics.

3. IRRELEVANT. On your logic, we would never have appointed Blight and enjoyed those 2 premierships.

4. IRRELEVANT. Once again refer Blight. In fact refer football history in general.

5. WRONG. Once again refer Blight.

6. WRONG. Just plain incorrect.

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
yes I am talking 97 and 98. We will have to agree to disagree.
Watch the 97 Prelim and then let me know which ones were crap

You are suggesting that he bolted when the going got tough.
Thats what makes a coach, not one that gets up and walks when things don't go his way.
Can I ask you how would you like to work in an environment as bad as it was at the doggies at the time. Club was fighting for survival, they were doing cost cutting throughout the football department. They couldn't afford to appoint the number of assistants he needed. He had to do a lot of promotional work.
Like Peter Rohde......Thomas,Laidley?

As I said in the other thread. As footy supporters we are a passionate lot and loyalty counts more than anything but at the end of the day coaching is a career and its a job just like another job. I am pretty sure you wouldn't want to work in "unacceptable" working environemtn when you could get better security somewhere else.

No but I would hope I would have the backing my supporters which Ayres has never had. (Wouldn't Mind a better list either)

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Watzsup
No but I would hope I would have the backing my supporters which Ayres has never had. (Wouldn't Mind a better list either)

I would somewhat disagree with this. I think Gary has a lot of respect from quite a number of AFC supporters. Personally, I have the utmost respect for him. He has a lot of integrity, strong character and no nonsense approach. He has done a pretty good job with Adelaide over the years. My main beef with Ayres is his match day coaching. I also said that it shows us a lot about Gary that he is playing youngsters at all costs. It shows his unselfishness and his integrity in putting a club before himself. There is not many coaches out there that would put their head on the chopping block in their contract year the way Gary has by playing all the youngsters over the experienced and players that have done the job before.

I just get the feeling that the board doesn't like him very much.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Watzsup
No but I would hope I would have the backing my supporters which Ayres has never had. (Wouldn't Mind a better list either)

IMO it's not correct to make a blanket statement as you have that Ayres has never had the backing of Crows supporters.

Until this year, I would say that he has had majority support, including from most posters on this board.

But you're overlooking that this is a cut-throat competition, which is why the average life of an AFL coach is under 3 years.

Any coach, Ayres or whoever, can't escape flak after losing 12 of our last 15 games. And that happening in his 4th and 5th years as coach.

We've headed south, not north. Ayres has run his race IMO.

That's how it works.

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I just get the feeling that the board doesn't like him very much.

A Rocket surgeon quote if i've ever heard one

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
OK heres my sixpence worth:
Perrie appeals for several reasons, most noticably is that he is not the most skilled but he tries "generally" his guts out.
He has very good hands as witnessed last year on more than several occasions.
He is a "nutcase" in that half his problem is in his head - he's admitted that himself.
He's still quite young, and hasn't IMO reached his potential.
Remember how A.Ingerson went from hack to a vital cog in Melbournes defence (worst kick ever) or St Kilda's Aussie Jones, who everyone said a season ago was on the scrap heap - look now!!!.
If you classify him as the 38th player on the list, IMO he's worth perservering with.

I'll be happy with either Ayres or Wallace. Wallace in a professional environment, on his last shot would flourish. As long as he doesn't turn us into a mosquitto fleet with no vigour, KPP, of size.

Wayne,

you're right about perrie, anyone who can take a contested mark has a place in AFL football. I think he is cherry ripe to go somewhere else and leave us with egg on our face.

 

[jc67]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Wayne,

you're right about perrie, anyone who can take a contested mark has a place in AFL football. I think he is cherry ripe to go somewhere else and leave us with egg on our face.

very strongly agree

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I would somewhat disagree with this.

I just get the feeling that the board doesn't like him very much.

There was plenty of crap with Ayres in his early days with supporters. Most of them were looking for the next blighty, which he is not.

When will the Crows win their next flag. The gamble by the club to "top Up" in 2003 didn't work and now we need to rebuild (if we loose one or 2 more). To rebuild you have to show faith in players..give them the job and see how they go and persist with the ones you think could be in your next premiership team. The crows could still give the 8 a push but who will that help. I do not think there is a coach out there who would do a better job. Good trading,drafting needs to be done with retirements and de-listments and thats what will give the crows a better future. not band aid measures such as anew coach's or one or 2 Top up players

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Watzsup
Wallace was an under-achiever who failed in his 2 best attempts to make a Grand Final. I'm sure if Wallace had a great list he could do the same again. If his list is poor then he will put his tail between his legs and quit......
Shaw was not a great option at West Lakes why would we get another.

that's ludicrous tripe.

Is there anyone in the league who believes Wallace UNDERachieved with the doggies?

have you forgotten, or did you never know where they were before he took over?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by jc67
A Rocket surgeon quote if i've ever heard one

You reckon ?

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
that's ludicrous tripe.

Is there anyone in the league who believes Wallace UNDERachieved with the doggies?

have you forgotten, or did you never know where they were before he took over?

Oops sorry good to see you will at least stick up for our next coach. I agree that Wallace got the team in the finals but his list was good enough to go the whole way......(as most of us thought at 3/4 time in 97PF). So close yet......Gary has done the same but at least we know he wants to be here for the long term. Wallace will always look for a better option if came along.
As far as anyone in the league thinking he under achieved ask the clubs he talked to about coaching once he left the Bullies.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Watzsup
Oops sorry good to see you will at least stick up for our next coach. I agree that Wallace got the team in the finals but his list was good enough to go the whole way......(as most of us thought at 3/4 time in 97PF). So close yet......Gary has done the same but at least we know he wants to be here for the long term. Wallace will always look for a better option if came along.
As far as anyone in the league thinking he under achieved ask the clubs he talked to about coaching once he left the Bullies.

You mean the swans - I wonder if they're still paying him???

other than that, just rubbish.