Aboriginal Shame File 1: Gary Narkle.

[UNIT]

I start this thread because i feel there is a legitimate issue within Australia and specifically Western Australia in regards to violent crime and Aboriginals. Of course there are white people committing heinous, vile acts. But per head of population i believe that Aboriginals are massively over represented in our justice system in relation to violent crimes such as rape, unprovoked assualts etc. We need to work out why. We need to expose individual cases and discuss them and the issues. As a result this marks the first in an ongoing series on the subject.

This is Gary Narkle.

Perth Serial Rapist Strikes Again
A notorious rapist branded a "sex monster" by the West Australian government has allegedly struck again.

Gary Narkle, a diagnosed psychopath, has spent at least 24 years behind bars and almost all his attacks have been committed while on parole. Police believe the 50-year-old dragged his latest alleged victim, a 16-year-old girl, into bushes near a church car park at Armadale, on Perth's eastern outskirts, on Friday night before savagely attacking her. Narkle faced Armadale Magistrates Court yesterday charged with indecent assault, two counts of aggravated sexual penetration, assault occasioning bodily harm and deprivation of liberty.
He was only released from prison after successfully appealing against convictions when a 17-year-old victim was unable to testify against him for a fourth time. West Australian Attorney-General Jim McGinty, speaking in parliament yesterday, branded Narkle a "sex monster" and promised new laws to ensure repeat sex offenders could be locked up indefinitely. He described Narkle's latest arrest as an "appalling breach of the law" and an "absolutely tragic situation".


Also outside court, Detective Sergeant Ricky Chadwick said police would allege Narkle followed the 16-year-old victim when she left a gathering at a house in Armadale they had both attended and assaulted her in a church carpark. The teenager's head struck concrete kerbing when Mr Narkle forced her to the ground, Detective Sergeant Chadwick claimed.

The girl's uncle told The Australian she was a shy teenager who lived with her mother and enjoyed writing.

Shadow attorney-general Sue Walker pledged opposition support for the new legislation and urged the Government to introduce it as a matter of priority.

"We'll be supporting any legislation that protects women in Perth and men from offenders such as Mr Narkle," she said.

However, state Criminal Lawyers Association president Belinda Lonsdale said her association opposed the planned legislation because it could incarcerate a person without a fair trial.

"It's asking doctors to be clairvoyants and jailers," she said.

Ms Lonsdale said she did not approve of the Attorney-General commenting on Narkle in parliament, and said it was inappropriate for any politician to comment on cases that were before the courts. She said people needed to remember that Narkle was presumed innocent of the charges.

"Because he's been made such an example of, he's really actually a vulnerable person in relation to people making complaints against him. It would be easy to make a complaint against Gary Narkle." she said.


Source: news.com.au.

So after reading that, i ask why are Aboriginal men so violent? Why do they seem to have such an casual and blase attitude towards violence against people? Yes white people do all the same things, but there seems to be a cultural characterisic amongst specifically Nyoongar males in WA to be brutal. To want to hurt people, that goes beyond any concept of 'well theres rotten eggs in every race'. Im sorry but there are far too many Aboriginal rotten eggs and we need to work out why?
Are they just a violent race? Did we make them violent? Were they violent before the white man came? What can be done to stop them?

Please lets not allow this thread to descend into name calling and allegations of racism. Its far to serious an issue for that.

 

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Unfortunately when someone like you raises this issue it's clear you have only a racist agenda and a want to cause division on this board.

Already you've started the name calling with such stupid blanket statements as 'why are Aboriginal men so violent'.

 

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I start this thread because i feel there is a legitimate issue within Australia and specifically Western Australia in regards to violent crime and Aboriginals. Of course there are white people committing heinous, vile acts.

Please lets not allow this thread to descend into name calling and allegations of racism. Its far to serious an issue for that.

No this is actually about racist attitudes. Its a legal issue not one of race... and how old is that source? I will tell you how old 15th May

Thread Already On This

To me its not about his aboriginality but about the legal process that allows a defence lawyer to continually appeal until the victim doesnt want to testify again

 

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Unfortunately when someone like you raises this issue it's clear you have only a racist agenda and a want to cause division on this board.

Already you've started the name calling with such stupid blanket statements as 'why are Aboriginal men so violent'.

So are saying there not? 50 Aboriginal men and 50 White men and it doesnt take a brain suregeon to guess which group will have more rapists, violent offenders etc in it.

 

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So are saying there not? 50 Aboriginal men and 50 White men and it doesnt take a brain suregeon to guess which group will have more rapists, violent offenders etc in it.

Most likely neither group will have any. Those sort of offenders represent miniscule proportions of our population.

 

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Most likely neither group will have any. Those sort of offenders represent miniscule proportions of our population.

Really? Do you believe that? The minority of Aboriginal men have had no contact with police in relation to violent assualts etc?

 

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Really? Do you believe that? The minority of Aboriginal men have had no contact with police in relation to violent assualts etc?

The majority of Aboriginal men would have committed no violent assaults, yes.

It is racist to make assumptions otherwise.

Why don't you just admit you're a racist and get help? It is clear from your obsession with making blanket statements about other races and only posting about the negative aspects of other races that you are as racist as they come. I'll bet you have never posted a single positive thing about any other race.

 

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Unit, you are truely pathetic.

 

[UNIT]

The majority of Aboriginal men would have committed no violent assaults, yes.

It is racist to make assumptions otherwise.

Why don't you just admit you're a racist and get help? It is clear from your obsession with making blanket statements about other races and only posting about the negative aspects of other races that you are as racist as they come. I'll bet you have never posted a single positive thing about any other race.

Wrong. Ive said it many times, that my heart goes out to anyone from any 'demonized' minority that is out there doing there best to forge a meaningful and happy life and make a positive contribution to the community. I know there are a many Aboriginals that are trying to do this. But sadly the only time many white people come into contact with Aboriginals is when they are abused by them in public when they dont give them money or cigerettes. Or when they walk past a whole group of them drinking and shouting in a park. Or when they see them on Crime Stoppers. Or when they go into Northbridge. I dont think its racist or 'blanket' to suggest that especially in Perth, there is a serious, cultural problem with Nyoongar Youth and violence that as i said goes beyond any 'theres bad apples in every basket' type arguments. You ask a cop who has to walk the beat. You can put your head in the sand all you want, but all im saying is 'here is the problem'. Dont we need to examine the issues thoroughly? Doesnt that mean examining the possibility that perhaps, just perhaps, some ethnic groups are more prone to violence than others?

 

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So show me that you've posted a positive thing about another race if I'm wrong.

 

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So show me that you've posted a positive thing about another race if I'm wrong.

my heart goes out to anyone from any 'demonized' minority that is out there doing there best to forge a meaningful and happy life and make a positive contribution to the community. I know there are a many Aboriginals that are trying to do this

 

[Frodo]

Totaly unfair to play the man rather than the issue.

Forget your brainwashing about race. It's perfectly reasonable and rational to take clear statistics like unit is presenting and discuss them in a rational way, and without personal abuse.

For me, aboriginals are a problem. They refuse to integrate and believe they have been robbed of their country by invaders. That attitude makes them believe they are more worthy than the rest of us. They therefore are racist in the truest of meanings. In their mindset they believe that aboriginal law allows them to do these things as fair retribution.

This is the issue we face. The way we handle it to date is to feel sorry and throw money at them. The people who are behind this are without doubt the root cause of the problem. The answer is a forward looking approach rather than a retrospective one.
One can argue, of course, that Maoris have been disinherited, American Indians, Angles, Saxons, Jutes etc, in fact most of the world. But that's life, ivasion, colonisation etc happens and always has. And burying ones head in the sand has never made anything better.

 

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That's not a positive thing about another race. That's a half-assed attempt to make yourself look even-handed after the fact.

Once again, show me one positive thing you've posted about another race. And saying 'my heart goes out to Muslims that aren't evil terrorists like most of them are' doesn't count.

Something genuinely positive about another race. Just something. You have NEVER posted a single positive thread about any other race. It is only negatives with you. How about an Aboriginal community worker who is having success in reducing alcoholism in the community? You wouldn't post it because it doesn't fit your negative stereotype.

You are a racist, simple as that. The only thing you see fit to post is a negative comment on another race.

Just admit it and get some help.

 

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That's not a positive thing about another race. That's a half-assed attempt to make yourself look even-handed after the fact.

Once again, show me one positive thing you've posted about another race. And saying 'my heart goes out to Muslims that aren't evil terrorists like most of them are' doesn't count.

Something genuinely positive about another race. Just something. You have NEVER posted a single positive thread about any other race. It is only negatives with you. How about an Aboriginal community worker who is having success in reducing alcoholism in the community? You wouldn't post it because it doesn't fit your negative stereotype.

You are a racist, simple as that. The only thing you see fit to post is a negative comment on another race.

Just admit it and get some help.

Im not admitting anything, because im not. I work with Aboriginal kids pretty much every weekend. I have Aboriginal staff i supervise that arent on the grog and arent full of hate. Thats why im so passionate about the issue. There being let down by their own communties. Ive seen the abuse Aboriginals that do the right thing cop from other Aboriginals. Calling them Coconuts etc (Black outside, white inside) Uncle Toms and so on. But ive seen the violence as well. Ive seen how frighteningly casual, random and extreme it is. Ive seen the hatred for the white 'cxxx'. Its for that reason im come down so hard on the Gary Narkle's of this world who sadly there are far too many of.

 

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To add to this, just the simple fact you called this 'Aboriginal Shame File' goes a long way to showing your hateful nature.

Not 'The disturbing case of Gary Narkle' or anything like that, but a specific naming of his race and intention to create a 'shame file' of a particular race.

What a disgusting human you are, UNIT.

Can't say a single positive thing about another race.

 

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Im not admitting anything, because im not. I work with Aboriginal kids pretty much every weekend. I have Aboriginal staff i supervise that arent on the grog and arent full of hate. Thats why im so passionate about the issue. There being let down by their own communties. Ive seen the abuse Aboriginals that do the right thing cop from other Aboriginals. Calling them Coconuts etc (Black outside, white inside). But ive seen the violence as well. Ive seen the hatred for the white 'cxxx'. Its for that reason im come down so hard on the Gary Narkle's of this world who sadly there are far too many of.

I doubt you really work with Aboriginals, given the level to which you attack and single out Aboriginals on this board, let alone other non-white races.

 

[Frodo]

Once again, show me one positive thing you've posted about another race.

Just admit it and get some help.

But that would be a racist comment.

So who needs help........you are promoting racism...therefore you are surely an admitted racist

 

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I doubt you really work with Aboriginals, given the level to which you attack and single out Aboriginals on this board, let alone other non-white races.

I dont specifically work with Aboriginals but a healthy percentage of the clients i deal with identify themselves as Aboriginal.

 

[UNIT]

To add to this, just the simple fact you called this 'Aboriginal Shame File' goes a long way to showing your hateful nature.

Not 'The disturbing case of Gary Narkle' or anything like that, but a specific naming of his race and intention to create a 'shame file' of a particular race.

What a disgusting human you are, UNIT.

Can't say a single positive thing about another race.

What am i meant to say? He isnt a pink polka dotted pygmie mate. He is Aboriginal so i named him as such.

 

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For me, aboriginals are a problem. They refuse to integrate and believe they have been robbed of their country by invaders..

. But that's life, ivasion, colonisation etc happens and always has.

Notice a subtle shift as you went Frodo? Some doubt that it was an invasion to stating invasion as a fact of life.

The question of whether or not it was an invasion could handle settlement.

You clearly aren't settled inside your self about it. The only real answer is invasion. No good for anyone being wishy washy about it.

 

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What am i meant to say? He isnt a pink polka dotted pygmie mate. He is Aboriginal so i named him as such.

And there it is. A perfect example of your racism.

How about you say nothing, as I said. Why name his race at all? For example, 'The disturbing case of Gary Narkle'. Do you say 'white man' if you post a thread about a white criminal? Oh wait...you wouldn't post a thread about a white criminal.

 

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But that would be a racist comment.

So who needs help........you are promoting racism...therefore you are surely an admitted racist

Are you so bereft of arguments you're going to try and claim saying something positive about someone of another race is racism as the term is commonly understood? Are you that weak?

Even that aside, I never said he should focus on their race. I simply said he had never posted anything positive about anyone of another race.

So your argument fails on both fronts. You really are sad, Frodo.

 

[Frodo]

Notice a subtle shift as you went Frodo? Some doubt that it was an invasion to stating invasion as a fact of life.

The question of whether or not it was an invasion could handle settlement.

You clearly aren't settled inside your self about it. The only real answer is invasion. No good for anyone being wishy washy about it.

You're just playing on words.

Rhodes goes into Africa and brings civilisation, health etc,
Romans colonize parts of the world and bring roads, water, medicine etc,

All can be called invasions.....

Remember the line...what did the Romans ever do for us?

Well it can be argued by aboriginals....what did the whiteman ever do for us?

A hell of a lot....some good, some bad.

 

[Frodo]

Are you so bereft of arguments you're going to try and claim saying something positive about someone of another race is racism as the term is commonly understood? Are you that weak?

Even that aside, I never said he should focus on their race. I simply said he had never posted anything positive about anyone of another race.

So your argument fails on both fronts. You really are sad, Frodo.

 

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You're just playing on words.


Rhodes goes into Africa and brings civilisation, health etc,
Romans colonize parts of the world and bring roads, water, medicine etc,

All can be called invasions.....

Remember the line...what did the Romans ever do for us?

Well it can be argued by aboriginals....what did the whiteman ever do for us?

A hell of a lot....some good, some bad.

Sorry. I'm not playing on words. You weren't straight with yours.

Go back to your post. You cast doubt as to whether aborigines had the right to consider they were subject to an invasion.

I say it was without qualification. You now say it was if necessary with the qualification that it is a step forward.

Call it an invasion unconditionally and we move forward, Frodo. Give it a try.