Aboriginal Shame File 1: Gary Narkle.

[materamagic]

Shame for you, dogg.

 

[- PC -]

. Are you saying that predatory, sado-sexual type crimes are in some way a result of poverty? Are you saying pshychopaths like Gary Narkle are the product of society? I will totally agree with you in regards to most other crimes like car theft, break and enter and even some kinds of assualts, that yes poverty and socio economic issues need to be taken into consideration, but people like Gary Narkle, be they black or white are wired wrong from birth. There just rotten.

So where does his aboriginality come into it?

And while i dont have any stats to back it up (as yet) i have reason to believe that given Aboriginal people only make up 3% of Australias population there is a disproportiante amount of Aboriginal sickos out there. We accept that across the boad Aboriginal people have certain health problems, such as Kidney failure. We accept that 200 years of grog may have played a role in that. Why cant we then accept that the grog, the violence, the paint, the petrol, the appaling living conditions etc have all worked together to create 'damaged' people such Gary Narkle and Brian Edwards?

Because you claim above its ''how they are wired'' So where does their aboriginality come into it?

 

[agitator]

Where have i ignored them? Ive said again and again that by and large the perpertrators of child sexual abuse our white males. But i was talking specifically regarding the situation where there was three or four cases of infantile sexual assualt amongst the Aboriginal community in a short space of time. That type of situation needs to be discussed free of politically correct sensitivities. It is a child protection issue. Not a race issue.

this behaviour is common amongst native communities and seems to go back to pre whitey days.

there were reports by daisey bates of seeing this type of sadistic violent behaviour well before any grog, drugs, petrol ever reached those isolated natives.

she even saw some natives killing and then eating small children however because of this explosive evidence the native industry has been trying unsuccessfully to discredit her work for the past 20 years.

 

[just maybe]

Maybe it deserves to be discredited? Sounds like trash.

 

[Former]

I pronounce this thread to be a load of bull ********. There is plenty of evidence and convictions of white males and females in relation to the sexual abuse of infants. Just do some research and you'll realise that.

Unit this is just about your last warning on this issue. You have a sub-par ability to discuss these sorts of issues. Your hypotheses are ridiculous, your observations are blinkered, your evidence non-existant, your discussion method is highly biased and your conclusions are unsupportable. Yet you claim to be discussing these issues as an objective party. Clearly you are not and your pretense otherwise is very transparent.

 

[UNIT]

So where does his aboriginality come into it?


Because you claim above its ''how they are wired'' So where does their aboriginality come into it?

As i said before his Aboriginality comes into it because as a society we accept, that for example, 200 years of Alcohol and poor living has had the effect of creating or contributing to congenital health problems amongst Indigenous Australians, such as kidney problems. Why then cant we then accept that the same conditions and factors are responsible or have in some way contributed to the psyhcological problems of people like Gary Narkle and others? As white Australia (too state the bleeding obvious), isnt doing it as tough as their indigenous counterparts, it would be fair to say that we wouldnt have as many (per head of population) 'damaged' people in our midst. Is it so wrong to articulate that?

 

[- PC -]

You said they were born that way ... wired as it were... so where does his aboriginality have an effect if it was in him at the start.

As AA said this is a bullsh*t thread where your actually confused as to what you really want to say. Your using societal problems within the aboriginal group to justify Narkles actions. So either they are born ... genetic ... as you say... or its societal... which one is it?

 

[UNIT]

You said they were born that way ... wired as it were... so where does his aboriginality have an effect if it was in him at the start.

As AA said this is a bullsh*t thread where your actually confused as to what you really want to say. Your using societal problems within the aboriginal group to justify Narkles actions. So either they are born ... genetic ... as you say... or its societal... which one is it?

Its genetic, as a result of societal problems if you follow what im saying. Generation after generation of people who have abused their brains, their bodies with alcohol and other substances has resulted in Gary Narkle type people.

 

[UNIT]

I pronounce this thread to be a load of bull ********. There is plenty of evidence and convictions of white males and females in relation to the sexual abuse of infants. Just do some research and you'll realise that.

Unit this is just about your last warning on this issue. You have a sub-par ability to discuss these sorts of issues. Your hypotheses are ridiculous, your observations are blinkered, your evidence non-existant, your discussion method is highly biased and your conclusions are unsupportable. Yet you claim to be discussing these issues as an objective party. Clearly you are not and your pretense otherwise is very transparent.

I understate some of the idea's and concepts i have floated in this thread have been provocative and i agree i have unfairly stereotyped a whole race based on the actions of a couple of sicko's. For that i apologize. But i stand by my basic idea that there is a problem with violence and sexual violence within certain areas of Aboriginal society that go beyond the notion that 'theres bad eggs in every race'. Of course there is. Ive never denied that. But there are certain specific issues which are happening to often to be a coincidence, and that needs to be looked at.

 

[- PC -]

Its genetic, as a result of societal problems if you follow what im saying. Generation after generation of people who have abused their brains, their bodies with alcohol and other substances has resulted in Gary Narkle type people.

So Martin Bryant is a result of Tasmanian societal problems.. you know inbreeding and all.

 

[UNIT]

So Martin Bryant is a result of Tasmanian societal problems.. you know inbreeding and all.

No he is mentally ill. There is mental illness across all spectrums. But as i said we accept that Aboriginals have developed kidney problems as a result of 200 years of grog. Why cant we accept that some of them may have developed pshycological problems as well?

 

[- PC -]

No he is mentally ill. There is mental illness across all spectrums. But as i said we accept that Aboriginals have developed kidney problems as a result of 200 years of grog. Why cant we accept that some of them may have developed pshycological problems as well?

Each individual is different. Its not the grog but a problem with their kidneys. Now please show dna profiling that backs up your genetic claim that aboriginal kidney problems are directly corellated to alcohol.

 

[Qsaint]

Each individual is different. Its not the grog but a problem with their kidneys. Now please show dna profiling that backs up your genetic claim that aboriginal kidney problems are directly corellated to alcohol.

Kidney problems can also be effected by diet, remote communities don't get a lot of affoardable F & V. Like most diseases individuals can be at risk, but environmental issues can have a sizeable impact. The rate of heart disease in the US and Aus is much higher than Japan or italy for instance, probably more to do with diet than anything else.

As this study shows alcohol is the 4th factor, according to this report. Infact they are mostly environmental. Lack of nurishment as a child, weight problems, more diseases than others and then alcohol

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s76.htm

Program Transcript


A Darwin-based specialist in kidney disease is claiming that some Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory have the highest rates of kidney failure in the world.


Dr Wendy Hoy is a nephrologist at the Menzies School of Health Research in Darwin. She's been studying one community in particular, where over half the adult population has evidence of kidney disease. She claims that this is an under-recognised public health problem of enormous magnitude.


Dr Hoy presented her data at the weekend at Yulara (Uluru) at an international conference on kidney disease in indigenous people.


Wendy Hoy: There's been an explosion of kidney failure amongst Aboriginal people within the last 10 to 15 years, such that the number of people coming on to dialysis program in the Northern Territory is doubling every three to four years at the moment. Currently in the Northern Territory, rates of kidney failure in Aboriginal people are 25 times those of non-Aboriginal people, and in some communities those rates are 60 times those of non-Aboriginal people.


Norman Swan: Can you translate that into percentages of the population?


Wendy Hoy: Australia-wide, 78 people per million population developed kidney failure per year, and amongst Aboriginal people in general in the Northern Territory it's about 905 people per million and in individual communities at the highest risk at the moment, it's about 3600 per million.


Norman Swan: How does that rate to, say, overseas figures?


Wendy Hoy: The Aboriginal rates are worse than the rates in the highest risk group in the United States, which are American blacks, and worse than the rates in American Indians. The rates for the individual community with the rate above 3,000 per million, are as far as I know the highest described in the world.


Norman Swan: What's causing it?


Wendy Hoy: We've broken down the kidney disease into four sets of risk factors and they are basically all related to the dramatic change in circumstances and health and lifestyle that Aborigines have experienced over the last 40 years. And they are: low birth weight and infant malnutrition.


Norman Swan: Why?


Wendy Hoy: If you are not adequately nourished when the maximum development of your critical organs is happening, which is in utero and the first couple of years of life, you are not making robust enough organs - heart, brain, kidney and so forth - to carry you through a normal life span.


Norman Swan: What are the other risk factors?


Wendy Hoy: The second risk factor, which interacts with the first, is the increasing weight in adolescence and adulthood. All Aboriginals in general now are significantly heavier than they were, with their lean frame in their original native state.


Norman Swan: So does this relate to the diabetes story, and they're getting diabetes kidney damage?


Wendy Hoy: They're absolutely getting diabetes. It's overly-simplistic to say that kidney disease is due to the diabetes. The third important group of risk factors are all the infections that Aboriginal people are experiencing. The ones that we have measured are skin sores and scabies, infections with germs in these lesions lead to inflamation of the kidney and repeated episodes of this is leading to permanent loss of some kidney function which, feeding into the other risk factors, accelerates the progression to kidney failure.


The fourth group of risk factors is that it is quite clear that people who drink very heavily have higher rates of kidney disease than those who drink more moderately or don't drink at all. High blood sugar level, overweight, blood pressure profiles, and infections are all feeding into a picture, which if you examine someone's kidney at a moment in time, might also show some immunological features. It doesn't mean that any particular one of those is the primary and only cause of the cumulative kidney destruction that's occurring

Diabetes seems to have a direct effect

The problem has multiple causes. An unfortunate mix of racial predisposition is aggravated by multiple adverse environmental and metabolic factors.3 Aboriginal kidney biopsy and autopsy data from the University of Melbourne have shown a range of pathological states (diabetic, hypertensive, and proliferative), underpinned by a remarkable increase in glomerular size of up to threefold normal.4 Whether this unusual glomerular change is entirely genetic or is exacerbated by intrauterine malnutrition followed by subsequent dietary excess has yet to be resolved.

The infective insults present in Aboriginal communities have been amply documented,5 with repeated bacterial infections of ears, nose, chest, skin, gut and genitourinary systems, as well as endemic intestinal parasites. Even in the absence of recognised nephritogenic organisms, systemic infection will activate glomerular proliferation, affecting mesangial cells in particular.6

It is probably the development of widespread obesity and "Syndrome X" (raised body mass index, blood pressure, blood glucose, and triglyceride levels; and insulin resistance, and disordered uric acid metabolism) that most closely parallels the renal disease epidemic.7 The background social and legal factors involved are well described:8 loss of employment after voting rights and equal-pay legislation were enacted, access to alcohol, increased welfare benefits, and availability of a high-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. It is ironic that the outstanding success in correcting malnutrition and infective disease in Aboriginal children over the past 30 years should have contributed to creating a cohort of obese adults with hypertension and diabetes.9

Alcohol has several indirect but definite adverse renal effects. Each 10 g of alcohol consumed causes a rise in blood pressure in both white10 and Aboriginal11 populations. The carbohydrate load causes obesity, increasing the risk of diabetes and subsequent diabetic nephropathy. Alcohol both stimulates intestinal production and reduces hepatic clearance of IgA, increasing the risk of IgA nephropathy. (Although this is the commonest form of chronic glomerulonephritis in the non-Aboriginal population, it accounts for only a minority of cases of renal disease in Aboriginals.) Smoking is also recognised in epidemiological surveys as an independent risk factor for renal disease.12 Both these behaviours are very common in Aboriginal communities.13

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/jun1/thomas/thomas.html

 

[Former]

I understate some of the idea's and concepts i have floated in this thread have been provocative and i agree i have unfairly stereotyped a whole race based on the actions of a couple of sicko's. For that i apologize. But i stand by my basic idea that there is a problem with violence and sexual violence within certain areas of Aboriginal society that go beyond the notion that 'theres bad eggs in every race'. Of course there is. Ive never denied that. But there are certain specific issues which are happening to often to be a coincidence, and that needs to be looked at.

When you have some hard stats then you can say "too often to be a coincidence". Otherwise it is just anecdotal evidence with no solid, researched facts to back it up.

Unit what you probably need to do is THINK before you start these threads. Far too often you present arguments that are simply ignorant and then when you are spanked you withdraw to a "perhaps I overstated it" position when we can see all too well your bigotry and lack of research in the area you are commenting on.

 

[just maybe]

Typical load of trash from UNIT. He is a racist with half the foot out the closet. Everyone can see it but he pretends not to be.

 

[UNIT]

When you have some hard stats then you can say "too often to be a coincidence". Otherwise it is just anecdotal evidence with no solid, researched facts to back it up.

Unit what you probably need to do is THINK before you start these threads. Far too often you present arguments that are simply ignorant and then when you are spanked you withdraw to a "perhaps I overstated it" position when we can see all too well your bigotry and lack of research in the area you are commenting on.

You mean i am someone who is willing to accept that there point of view is flawed when another person presents them with compelling evidence to the contrary? You mean i can swallow my pride and admit im wrong? Shameful character trait that...

 

[just maybe]

You mean i am someone who is willing to accept that there point of view is flawed when another person presents them with compelling evidence to the contrary? You mean i can swallow my pride and admit im wrong? Shameful character trait that...

Problem is you then come back a few days later spouting the same thing in a slightly different way.

You admit you're wrong, then you forget and come back and do it scumfully again.

Sameful character trait, yes.

 

[UNIT]

Problem is you then come back a few days later spouting the same thing in a slightly different way.

You admit you're wrong, then you forget and come back and do it scumfully again.

Sameful character trait, yes.

So people are only supposed to say things that Just Maybe approves of?

 

[just maybe]

So people are only supposed to say things that Just Maybe approves of?

I think it's a bit late to pull that line, UNIT. Pretty much everyone is against your behaviour. It's not just me. Look at the responses to this thread.

Keep trying to take the focus off your disgusting behaviour, racist.

 

[UNIT]

I think it's a bit late to pull that line, UNIT. Pretty much everyone is against your behaviour. It's not just me. Look at the responses to this thread.

Keep trying to take the focus off your disgusting behaviour, racist.

Really. Could of fooled me. Thats just so arrogant. This presumption that 'everyone' is with you. You speak for yourself, and thats it.

 

[just maybe]

Really. Could of fooled me. Thats just so arrogant. This presumption that 'everyone' is with you. You speak for yourself, and thats it.

No it isn't. Read the thread. Read any of your threads, numbnuts.

 

[UNIT]

No it isn't. Read the thread. Read any of your threads, numbnuts.

There are just as many people backing me as there are condemning me. And you know it.

 

[just maybe]

There are just as many people backing me as there are condemning me. And you know it.

Er..no there aren't.

You really ARE deluded.

 

[UNIT]

Er..no there aren't.

You really ARE deluded.

Whatever. Believe what you want mate. Im not gonna lose sleep either way. Have a good one mate..

 

[just maybe]

Hahaha, wait a few days and you'll be back with more anti-Aboriginal crap.

You're in bad straits when the owner of the site is telling you you're pushing a ban.

Stupid racist scum.