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I've been saying it for years and I'm sick of seeing it confirmed every time we play the game.

It doesn't matter the talent, opposition, or quality of list management. We prepare to fail. We had opportunities in 2010, 2011 and 2012 to win premierships. Somehow - I stress *somehow* - we managed to turn two of those into unmitigated disasters (including our worst ever ladder finish), with another a classical failure to step up in a big game. I'm not talking about the Hawthorn game. Our miserable performance against Sydney was a bolt from the blue - except it wasn't. We played the same game seven years previous with a different list on the park. The same. The damn same game of football every time faced with a club-shaping or season-shaping occasion. It is the same systemic failing, the same intangible funk consumes our football club every time we're asked to step up. It is disturbing in its familiarity and consistency.

You laugh now, but you are watching a 50 year premiership drought developing before your very eyes.
 
Cleric said:
I notice Jenny is strangly quiet. While i dont know her personally and dont want to attack her per se, but its supporters like her who need to also accept some of the blame for this. Protecting those who have put us where we are today. Even putting the Tippett saga to the side, as well as the Rendell one, and calling the supporters "pathetic", our clubs decline has been jaw dropping. We have gone from been the leader and record breaker with membership numbers to been midline now, even having Port surpassing us nearly. We were also considered one of the financial powerhouses of the AFL, yet here we are with terrible income figures around half the amount as the league leaders. We have been left behind under the watch of Trigg and Chapman. We are mediocre at best now.
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Seriously? Nobody posting anonymously on an internet forum has anything to do with the success/failures of our club.

Before you point the finger - have a look in the mirror and then slap the person you see.
 
amer said:
I've been saying it for years and I'm sick of seeing it confirmed every time we play the game.

It doesn't matter the talent, opposition, or quality of list management. We prepare to fail. We had opportunities in 2010, 2011 and 2012 to win premierships. Somehow - I stress *somehow* - we managed to turn two of those into unmitigated disasters (including our worst ever ladder finish), with another a classical failure to step up in a big game. I'm not talking about the Hawthorn game. Our miserable performance against Sydney was a bolt from the blue - except it wasn't. We played the same game seven years previous with a different list on the park. The same. The damn same game of football every time faced with a club-shaping or season-shaping occasion. It is the same systemic failing, the same intangible funk consumes our football club every time we're asked to step up. It is disturbing in its familiarity and consistency.

You laugh now, but you are watching a 50 year premiership drought developing before your very eyes.
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Jesus - if we had a chance to win a flag in 2010/2011 - we are cherry ripe this year.... Bring on Sydney.
 

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AFC979810 said:
Seriously? Nobody posting anonymously on an internet forum has anything to do with the success/failures of our club.

Before you point the finger - have a look in the mirror and then slap the person you see.
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Oh yeah right. No I see, those supporters that were patting Triggy on the back at training when he got back from his suspension, telling him how they back him to the hilt pay no part in our pathetic club at the moment. Got ya. Im the problem.
You are such a knob. The only thing i have contributed to is the membership numbers been rubbish as i refused to roll over our memberships in protest. And dont worry, the club has a number of emails and phone recordings telling them what i think.
Does your hair have a slight blue tint to it?
 
1990crow said:
Out: Pods, Sando, Campo, M.Clarke, Rutten, Shaw, Porplyzia

Soft as butter
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Tough call on Rutten. I'm staggered at the attacks on Rutten. He has been so reliable over the years and still is even when he's giving up 10cm to his opponent at times. Having said that I like Hartigan and think that transition will happen without a worry.

Full back is the least of our worries.
 
Hi Crows. Adelaide has always been my second team (if one can have such a claim), I'm from down that way and have always had an interest in how you guys go. From an outsider's view point you seem, well, what is the opposite of ruthless? Danger and Sloane aside, you just seem to me not to be wanting to 'kill' your opposition. Not being privy to the inner workings of the club it is hard to identify what has been the main contributing factors for the drop off, you were one kick away from a Granny two years ago. Footy doesn't change THAT much, the fundamentals remain constant and I hope you guys get your spark back. A win can do wonders for a club.

I not long broke up with a beautiful Adelaide girl, a very passionate Crows supporter. She would be livid and probably have a sore hand from punching her couch and floor yesterday. Throughout our time i bought her a Crows jumper, and introduced her to Big Footy, and naturally the Crow's board. Sammy, if you are reading this, I miss you so much.

Go Hawks. Go Crows.
 
Kristof said:
I think compromise is part of our ethos.

We would rather get along than win.

Our innate conservatism and prioritizing being good citizens means we'll never be a truly successful club. We don't have it in us to be ruthless. We have defeated souls.
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I had one of my stores relocated (as posted in the game day thread) so was in and out throughout the week and was talking to the tradies about the footy and the turn talked to who we support

Of course, being a WA guy, he was an Eagles fan. When i told him i was a Crows fan, he simply said

"I like you lot, you're very nice and all, but you never have never been successful of recent times, and you never really challenge"

That's how we're viewed :thumbsdown:
 
amer said:
I've been saying it for years and I'm sick of seeing it confirmed every time we play the game.

It doesn't matter the talent, opposition, or quality of list management. We prepare to fail. We had opportunities in 2010, 2011 and 2012 to win premierships. Somehow - I stress *somehow* - we managed to turn two of those into unmitigated disasters (including our worst ever ladder finish), with another a classical failure to step up in a big game. I'm not talking about the Hawthorn game. Our miserable performance against Sydney was a bolt from the blue - except it wasn't. We played the same game seven years previous with a different list on the park. The same. The damn same game of football every time faced with a club-shaping or season-shaping occasion. It is the same systemic failing, the same intangible funk consumes our football club every time we're asked to step up. It is disturbing in its familiarity and consistency.

You laugh now, but you are watching a 50 year premiership drought developing before your very eyes.
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2010/2011 we were no chance of winning the flag. 2010 our older and great players of the football club were on their last leg and the group of vince, knights, porps etc
all went backwards which led to a horrible 2011.

If you are measuring the success of the club on purely on premierships who will never get any enjoy from any season of football.

You should look at the premiership sides since 2007- only 4 teams have won the flag geelong, sydney, hawthorn, collingwood

carlton, essendon, richmond, st kilda, north melbourne, bulldogs, fremantle, adelaide, melbourne, brisbane all have premiership droughts over 10 years

Port adel -9 years without a premiership
west coast-7 years without a premiership

this shows how diffculty it is to win plus take into account the rise of GC and GWS quite a few teams will have long premiership droughts.
 
simmo97 said:
2010/2011 we were no chance of winning the flag. 2010 our older and great players of the football club were on their last leg and the group of vince, knights, porps etc
all went backwards which led to a horrible 2011.

If you are measuring the success of the club on purely on premierships who will never get any enjoy from any season of football.

You should look at the premiership sides since 2007- only 4 teams have won the flag geelong, sydney, hawthorn, collingwood

carlton, essendon, richmond, st kilda, north melbourne, bulldogs, fremantle, adelaide, melbourne, brisbane all have premiership droughts over 10 years

Port adel -9 years without a premiership
west coast-7 years without a premiership

this shows how diffculty it is to win plus take into account the rise of GC and GWS quite a few teams will have long premiership droughts.
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And yet if you use both Hawthorn and Geelong as the models for success they were both almost on their last legs and both have turned it around to be the perennial leaders of the competition.

I think if you just 'accept' we'll have a drought because lots of other clubs do too then we may as we'll pack it in. We need to look at the way clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong transformed their on and off field culture. It feels like we try and replicate what Geelong do on field without ever showing any want or desire to achieve their turnaround off field.

Also, based on what I saw yesterday Port will have a flag in the next 5 years. Their brand of football is exciting, ruthless and when they have momentum they can be close to unstoppable. For a list as young as theirs it's quite an achievement (as much as I despise them).
 
creme_fraiche said:
And yet if you use both Hawthorn and Geelong as the models for success they were both almost on their last legs and both have turned it around to be the perennial leaders of the competition.

I think if you just 'accept' we'll have a drought because lots of other clubs do too then we may as we'll pack it in. We need to look at the way clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong transformed their on and off field culture. It feels like we try and replicate what Geelong do on field without ever showing any want or desire to achieve their turnaround off field.

Also, based on what I saw yesterday Port will have a flag in the next 5 years. Their brand of football is exciting, ruthless and when they have momentum they can be close to unstoppable. For a list as young as theirs it's quite an achievement (as much as I despise them).
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No they won't.

They will have a good B+ defense, B- forwards and A- midfield.

Schulz had two seasons left and Westhoff has maybe three. Key forwards find it hard to continue as their bodies break down in their late 20's. Carlisle is replaceable, but these two will be harder.

GWS and GCS will smash them, and it is hard to not assume a couple of the Melbourne power clubs won't find a way to rebuild/improve.
 
Kristof said:
No they won't.

They will have a good B+ defense, B- forwards and A- midfield.

GWS and GCS will smash them, and it is hard to not assume a couple of the Melbourne power clubs won't find a way to rebuild/improve.
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Not sure I agree with you there Sir.

Boak, Wines, Wingard, Hartlett, Ebert are all very good to Elite.

Shulz is a gun, Lobbe is fast becoming a very good AFL ruckman and Westhoff is flourishing under their system.

Agreed they're a bit light on gun KPPs (Butcher is a shit sandwich) but if they can add one or two more quality players I think they're a threat.

I hope you're right though.
 
i'm just shattered.
i wasn't expecting to win, and you could say that it was a better result than the heart breaking finish from the last showdown, but i'm still shattered.
I have no confidence in the club on or off field.
Now i 'll admit I am a pessimist, but we simply fail in big games, time after time. Sure we might play well, maybe burst out of the blocks, or fall behind early, only to make a bit of a 3rd qtr comeback and perhaps even hit the lead, but when it comes to games like these (last 3 showdowns, hawthorn final, any match v collingwood etc), i know in my heart that we are not a team with absolute belief and hunger and pride to get the job done down the stretch...and it sickens me.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again... until the AFC start behaving like a football club instead of a corporate franchise, we will continue to lack that hard edge needed for sustained success.

We were built on the spirit of SOO rivalry, but as that has diminished, so has our culture. We lack purpose and direction. Love them or hate them, Port have one thing going for them - something they have finally recaptured - culture. "we'll always turn up, and we'll never give up" sounds a lot like the traditional Port spirit.

Our "club" needs to remember it exists to play and win football games first and foremost. Everything we do needs to be measured against this KPI. Dressing up buildings and arranging contrived chants is ridiculous. People used to deck their houses in red gold and blue because they wanted to, not because they wanted to win a stupid competition. The AFC should spend all their time garnering that respect by winning games, not trying to make a pretend club.

It has to happen from within. The players need to take responsibility. The coaches need to be ruthless. The admin need to refocus on that #1 KPI of providing an environment conducive to winning games. If not, we're going to be front running pretty boys for as far as the eye can see.

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roo2macca said:
As much as we laughed at them for that, that was the loss that turned them around, they sacked hack Primus and started all over with instant results. Unfortunately, our highly intellectual admin extended Sando's contract until the end of 2016 so we've got 3 seasons still.
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We did exactly the same thing with Mark Williams. He should never have been given an extension, that ended up costing us some serious dollars and issues. As a club we were at a very low moment when signing Primus as coach, he was not ready to coach, had little support financially and resource wise and basically acted as a sacrificial lamb. We had to make some very tuff decisions. Sacked our CEO, President, Coach, Fitness coach, 2/3rds of the board, etc.

Watching you guys play today reminded me of us 2 or 3 years ago, fumbling, no confidence, confusing game plan, lack of overall fitness, questionable player depth, struggling coach. Fancy hearing your Chairman refer to your loyal faithful as customers! You are not customers you are members who have passion for your club.. ffs, big difference to a "customer" then again what can anyone expect from a banker.

Just my opinion but half the issue with the AFC is its run by the old boys club of the SANFL, that was very evident with the Trigg issue. Many of your board should have been sacked along with, Chapman and Trigg. Not a good message to send to the player group and faithful. I am glad both clubs are now free from the leeches of the SANFL. Both clubs should have more ability now to thrive and foster. Fancy putting a slimy little leech like Olsen as SANFL President and Commission Chairman, to me that said it all!

Time to stop focusing on us as the feral bunch down the road and look deep inside your club and make the hard decisions........ In saying that its a long season, perhaps you will make the 8, all this will be swept under the carpet ?
 
alex_is_on_fire said:
However, it's all good as we have some easy beats coming up.

We have Sydney next week that should be a loss but then we can beat up on the Saints, Giants, Western Bulldogs and then the Dees and then at the bye turn at 4 and 3 with little worry.

Yes, we are a flat track bully.
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None of those are easy games :/
 
lunacy said:
Tough call on Rutten. I'm staggered at the attacks on Rutten. He has been so reliable over the years and still is even when he's giving up 10cm to his opponent at times. Having said that I like Hartigan and think that transition will happen without a worry.

Full back is the least of our worries.
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No one should be immune from the chop after a performance like that - but they are and it's a big reason for why we are where we are
 

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feenix67 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again... until the AFC start behaving like a football club instead of a corporate franchise, we will continue to lack that hard edge needed for sustained success.
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I disagree with the bolded bit. Honestly do you think that if we were run like a corporation we'd have as little transparency and accountability as we do? That a group, a corporation, that lives and dies based on the money it generates would be so inept with it's marketing? No, if we were a corporation Trigg, Chapman and the rest of the board would no longer be at the club, and although their replacements might not be any better we'd at least have optimism for the future thanks simply to the change.
 
fabs33 said:
I disagree with the bolded bit. Honestly do you think that if we were run like a corporation we'd have as little transparency and accountability as we do? That a group, a corporation, that lives and dies based on the money it generates would be so inept with it's marketing? No, if we were a corporation Trigg, Chapman and the rest of the board would no longer be at the club, and although their replacements might not be any better we'd at least have optimism for the future thanks simply to the change.
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I take your point, but as a Corp franchise we exist to serve the franchise owner (previously the sanfl, now the afl). Whilst that an unavoidable reality, you don't see the power clubs cowtowing to the franchisor, you see them trying to maintain their strength in a restrictive environment.

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