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CrowToon said:
Where did I state nothing happened? I am on record as saying the camp was terrible. I am only interested in facts, not sensationalist journalism. Please stop putting words in my mouth or assuming my position based on the team I support.
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But the journalists got the facts of the camp right right , I’m not putting words into your mouth just trying to educate you. Why are you trying to minimise this ??

Court case was only about the implication it was deliberate , all the facts McClure and Wilson said were true , no sensationalism .
The newspapers decided is was fiscally prudent not to defend the legal action. It in no way proved what the papers said was not true And factual .
 
Heard on the radio earlier that the AFL basically are the Adelaide Crows board. They hold 7 of 9 spots.

I think Michael Warner wrote this in his book.

So therefore, if the AFL found Adelaide guilty of anything significant, they'd be opening themselves up to punishment.


Interesting take.
 

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shocking that the clubs leaders in Sloane and Walker were so out of touch with how some of the players felt about the camp yet were happy to cite rehearsed lines from the club painting a glowing picture.


Speaking on SEN SA Breakfast, former Port Adelaide star Kane Cornes questioned Adelaide’s leadership, calling out Crows star Rory Sloane for his public remarks after the camp when he said it made him a better husband and a better father.

“The question is, all of the people who have defended the camp and have said nothing went on, including the Crows fans, including Mark Ricciuto, including the club, what do they do now? Details have come out, Eddie Betts was abused about his mother,” Cornes said.

We do now have a blow-by-blow account which is pretty harrowing that your most popular player in club history was treated like an animal on this camp.

“I think it’s embarrassing for Rory Sloane and Taylor Walker to now hear that that was a rehearsed line and that they were all told and indoctrinated into saying it had made them a better father and husband and child. And to see Eddie Betts relay that that was actually rehearsed, it doesn’t paint Rory and his leadership in great light.

“There’s a lot of egg on the face of Crows supporters, the footy club and a few players that were there.”

 
Proper Gander said:
Were lessons learned though? It seemed as though the club spent most of it's time defending the training and rolling out players to say how great it was.

I think that Betts is right to tell about his experience, and the media are within reason to report it. I don't see how that is sensationalist. And it is worth doing. There are 18 teams in the competition, and you never know when some clown in management will be taken in by a 'guru' and decide to employ them and their other entirely unqualified buddies to run pseudo psychological exercises that produce nothing other than humiliating players and ultimately decimating the team.
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That's the problem to me. Eddie Betts apparently made his feelings about the camp very clear to everyone. At the time he was probably as well respected as any player at the club.

It doesn't matter what you personally got out of the camp, if any player (let alone a player of Betts' standing and esteem) came back from it feeling the way that he did, you have to seriously doubt whether it was appropriate, let alone effective. For Betts to go to the team with his feelings and the likes of Walker and Sloane to double down about how great the camp was, well that's basically saying "We know how you feel about it and we don't GAF."
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Maybe so, but it also highlights the inequality of the modern day AFL system.
Adelaide finished higher on the ladder at the end of the home and away season, in all fairness, they should have hosted the Grand Final at AO, if this was a truly fair and equitable national competition.

Having said that, i do believe Richmond would have won it over there anyway, so not trying to cast any shade at the Tigers 2017 which was well earned and deserved, but just highlights how arachic the current Grand Final system is.

As we have seen in recent years, interstate venues make for perfectly good and acceptable Grand Final venues.

I think eventually it will happen (top ranked team who makes the GF hosts it) unfortunately probably not in our lifetime.
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The crows were a divided team in the week leading up to the grand final and were never gonna win it. Tex made the sure all the players didn't sit with Lever at the airport, telling them he's not one of us. This really threw a lot of the players and a lot of loyalties were questioned.
 
largebus said:
Gotta lol that this is still up, yet Caro and McClure's report had to be taken down and apologised for when all of what Eddie says basically confirms their story.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
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that's brilliant, talk about a bunch of ****ing idiots.
 
CrowToon said:
Nevermind Worksafe SA found no wrongdoing, legal action taken by the company was successful this is just an opinion-based exercise. Leaks to the media line up pretty well with the book excerpts. Hm.
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no, Worksafe SA found there was no breach of the WHS Act that had a high probability of successful conviction. That doesn't mean there was no wrongdoing.
 
1970crow said:
that's brilliant, talk about a bunch of ******* idiots.
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There's nothing wrong with focussing on the mind, and the mental aspect of sport.

All athletes do it, and regularly it's the ones with the mental edge that are the best.

The issue was that Collective Mind didn't really seem to know what they were doing and as a result their program, whilst although most likely benefitting a bunch of players - clearly was not a good experience for some.

And if you're building a team, alienating and demoralising a section of them of obviously not a good idea.
 

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Lavender Bushranger said:
Heard on the radio earlier that the AFL basically are the Adelaide Crows board. They hold 7 of 9 spots.

I think Michael Warner wrote this in his book.

So therefore, if the AFL found Adelaide guilty of anything significant, they'd be opening themselves up to punishment.


Interesting take.
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AFL have veto right on board appointments, so effectively appoint the board. Even the ones we elect are vetted and put forward to us by our existing board.
 
Underachieving fuels toxicity.

You fail, you panic, you feel the pressure and you try other things and that makes the situation worse. It resulted in like half the team walking away. Most of those players have done well with their current clubs, especially Brad Crouch.

Another premiership lets say in 2005, 2012 or 2016/2017 and things may have been different today.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
Hahaha...

“Then we started an exercise that consisted of role-playing our responses to our partners … One of the responses suggested to us was, ‘I feel like a better father and husband, having come from this camp.’”


Nek minnit...

“I 100 per cent game back from that camp feeling like a better husband, a better son and a much better teammate than when I was before I left for that camp. .....” Sloane said.

Someone was drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Rory.. blink twice if you're in danger
 
I think there are some dumb people in footy.

Some supposedly smart footy guys, get sucked in really easily by bullshit artists that either promise them a great business deal, some cool peptides or in this case, a mind-blowing psychological program.

These shonks have the gift of the gab, use some big words, and the footy guys take the bait.

This feels like one of those situations. These Collective Mind dudes seem incredibly amateurish, but some how the bosses at the Crows thought they were gurus.
 
SFL Observer said:
The crows were a divided team in the week leading up to the grand final and were never gonna win it. Tex made the sure all the players didn't sit with Lever at the airport, telling them he's not one of us. This really threw a lot of the players and a lot of loyalties were questioned.
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When we were getting pantsed in the prelim at Adelaide Oval I took it upon myself to yell good luck at Melbourne to Jake Lever throughout the entire second half. I feel I contributed to this. You can thank me later Richmond fans.
 
dangerwood said:
No doubt media personnel want to further careers but the story and ammo is there to do so.

As a neutral supporter I do want a bit of blood because I feel there has been a bit of a cover up and smoke and mirrors along the way. There was an element of "nothing to see here" from the club whilst some journalists (sensationalist or not) were saying "no there is something to see here, players weren't happy".

Eddie's book, whilst it's his own personal experience, confirms there were some concerns with what happened.

If things had of been more upfront, acknowledgement made of there being issues, then this would have been over years ago. Instead we've had one side saying there's nothing in it and very few details about what actually occurred. There's a sense of injustice about it all and that's why the media, and other neutral supporters are invested in the matter.
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There is no doubt the club handled it poorly. There is no doubt there are still some people at the club that shouldn't be. The observations made about the trajectory of the Crows post-2017 are apt.


Proper Gander said:
Were lessons learned though? It seemed as though the club spent most of it's time defending the training and rolling out players to say how great it was.

I think that Betts is right to tell about his experience, and the media are within reason to report it. I don't see how that is sensationalist. And it is worth doing. There are 18 teams in the competition, and you never know when some clown in management will be taken in by a 'guru' and decide to employ them and their other entirely unqualified buddies to run pseudo psychological exercises that produce nothing other than humiliating players and ultimately decimating the team.
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Plenty of journos and talk back were speculating without fact. I would suggest that by the absence of another camp, the creation of certain roles that tend toward the welfare of players that the industry has learned some lessons yeah. No doubt some people are stuck in their denial but that is just an unfortunate reality.

Slartibartfast said:
But the journalists got the facts of the camp right right , I’m not putting words into your mouth just trying to educate you. Why are you trying to minimise this ??

Court case was only about the implication it was deliberate , all the facts McClure and Wilson said were true , no sensationalism .
The newspapers decided is was fiscally prudent not to defend the legal action. It in no way proved what the papers said was not true And factual .
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There was several points of speculation that did not appear to have any basis of fact. I think you are focusing on some. I am as angry ajd disappointed as anyone about the camp. But that doesn't mean I agree with a free-for-all when it comes to having a casual relationship with the truth. I don't think we are really understanding the point the other is making and that's okay.
 

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CrowToon said:
There is no doubt the club handled it poorly. There is no doubt there are still some people at the club that shouldn't be. The observations made about the trajectory of the Crows post-2017 are apt.




Plenty of journos and talk back were speculating without fact. I would suggest that by the absence of another camp, the creation of certain roles that tend toward the welfare of players that the industry has learned some lessons yeah. No doubt some people are stuck in their denial but that is just an unfortunate reality.



There was several points of speculation that did not appear to have any basis of fact. I think you are focusing on some. I am as angry ajd disappointed as anyone about the camp. But that doesn't mean I agree with a free-for-all when it comes to having a casual relationship with the truth. I don't think we are really understanding the point the other is making and that's okay.
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I’m not a talk back listener but my recollection is that journos were largely reporting information received from sources about inappropriate use of cultural artefacts and the lunatic stories relating to playing the Richmond song. All of which Betts seems to have confirmed. Collective minds denied this pretty emphatically, as did AFC I think? I find it difficult to believe that Eddie was lying.
 
CrowToon said:
There is no doubt the club handled it poorly. There is no doubt there are still some people at the club that shouldn't be. The observations made about the trajectory of the Crows post-2017 are apt.




Plenty of journos and talk back were speculating without fact. I would suggest that by the absence of another camp, the creation of certain roles that tend toward the welfare of players that the industry has learned some lessons yeah. No doubt some people are stuck in their denial but that is just an unfortunate reality.



There was several points of speculation that did not appear to have any basis of fact. I think you are focusing on some. I am as angry ajd disappointed as anyone about the camp. But that doesn't mean I agree with a free-for-all when it comes to having a casual relationship with the truth. I don't think we are really understanding the point the other is making and that's okay.
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Garbage.
you stated the journalism was sensationalist, now your saying they were speculating.

Share with us these sensational and speculative comments ???

It all seems to be fact what was reported.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
I think there are some dumb people in footy.

Some supposedly smart footy guys, get sucked in really easily by bullshit artists that either promise them a great business deal, some cool peptides or in this case, a mind-blowing psychological program.
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It's really, really ****ing hard to picture Dank having ANYTHING, charisma, gift of the gab, even a great powerpoint to suck Hird in.

James Hird must be the dumbest, most gullible mother****er going around.
 

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