Adelaide Crows Draft game: Poll

[Alex99]

Who has drafted the best side in the history of the Adelaide Crows ?

A) Mad Dog
B) Crows98
C) Gets
D) Kimirocks
E) Fred Phillis
F) Vic Crow

Mad Dog team

B: Rodney Maynard ~ Scott Stevens ~ Mark Viska
HB: Bruce Lindsay ~ Ken McGregor ~ Marty McKinnon
C: Michael Doughty ~ Mark Ricciuto ~ Grant Fielke
HF: Ronnie Burns ~ Mathew Robran ~ Bruce Lindner
F: Ian Downsborough ~ Wayne Carey ~ Darrel Hart
R: Mark Mickan ~ Simon Goodwin ~ Brett James
I: Ivan Maric ~ Mathew Powell ~Tim Cook ~ Randle Bone

Crows98 team

FF: Peter McIntyre ~ Scott Hodges ~ Brian Beinke
HF: Bernie Vince ~ Trent Hentschel ~ Chris Ladhams
C: Luke Jericho ~ Tony McGuinness ~ Brent Reilly
HB: Graham Johncock ~ Jason McCartney ~ James Begley
FB: Paul Patterson ~ Ben Rutten ~ Mathew Collins
Ruck: Ben Hudson ~ Andrew Mcleod ~ Mathew Liptak
Interchange: Fergus Watts ~ Richard Douglas ~ Daniel Shell ~ Tom Warhurst

Gets team

[B]B: James Gallagher ~ Nathan Bassett ~ Sean Tasker
HB: Wayne Weidermann ~ Stuart Wigney ~ Andrew Payze
C: Simon Tregenza ~ Chris McDermott ~ Greg Anderson
HF: Jason Porplyzia ~ John Klug ~ Tony Hall
F: Mathew Golding ~ Tony Modra ~ Steven Rowe
R: Mathew Clarke ~ Scott Thompson ~ Tyson Edwards
Interchange: Shane Tongerie ~ Sudjai Cook ~ Lance Piciaone ~ Justin Cicollela

Kimirocks Team (Glenadelaide Crowgers)

FF: Matthew Bode ~ Darren Jarman ~ Ben Marsh
HF:Brett Burton ~ Ian Perrie ~ Michael Murphy
C:Andrew Eccles ~ Kane Johnson ~ Andrew Crowell
HB:Stephen Schwerdt ~Allen Bartlett ~ Shane Ellen
FB:Danny Hughes ~ Nigel Smart ~ Paul Rouvray
1R:Rhett Biglands ~ Tyson Stenglein ~ Matthew Connell
Interchange: Barry Standfield ~ Bruce Abernathy ~ Darren Smith - Clayton Lamb

Fred Phillis Team

F: Peter Vardy ~ Johnathon Ross ~ Troy Bond
HF: Chris Knights ~ Mark Stevens ~ Clay Sampson
C: Martin Mattner ~ David Marshall ~ James Thiessen
HB: Sean Wellman ~ Peter Caven ~ Kriss Massie
B: Brett Chalmers ~ Ben Hart ~ Mathew Shir
R: Shaun Rehn ~ Kym Koster ~ Nick N Pesch
Interchange: Aaron Keating ~ James Byrne ~ Evan Hewitt ~ Broadie Atkinson

Vic Crows team

B: Scott Lee ~ Rodney Jameson ~ Trent Ormond-Allen
HB: Jason Torney ~ Antoney Ingerson ~ Brenton Sanderson
C: Nathan Van Berlo ~ Andrew Jarman ~ Chad Rintoul
HF: David Brown ~ Nathan Bock ~ Mathew Kluzek
F: Hayden Skipworth ~ Scott Welsh ~ Chris Groom
R: David Pittman ~Mark Bickley ~ Robert Shirley
Interchange: Eddie Hocking ~ Ryan Fitzgerald ~ Romano Negri ~ Ben Nelson


Any comments are welcome – positive or negative regarding team placements or players selected.

Fire away.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Guys you could have all done your team sheets the same way to make it easier for us nuff nuffs to digest

The thing that immediately stands out is that 6 teams was probably too many to have to pick, considering the amount of good players we've had in our history. Just look at some of those interchange benches

I like Fred Phillis' team for the simple fact that it includes Peter Vardy and Mark Stevens, but your on ball division leaves a lot to be desired.

I'm leaning towards Mad Dog's as the most capable line up, because he's got some real quality in the midfield, a pretty good spine, a solid defence (Scotty Stephens worries me at FB though) and a pretty good forward line.

Good work guys. It must have been hard choosing 6 teams when for example, we've had 1 genuine FB in 16 years.

 

[KUNG FU]

Vic Crows team has the best structure. Loving Bock at CHF. Jarman, Bickley, Shirley in the centre makes me worry about pace though. But considering he was very disadvantaged in his draft position, I think he did very well.

I was confused by Fred's drafting. Stevens, Caven and Vardy went way higher than I expected. Wellman at 35 was an absolute steal though.

Kimirocks' draft effort was stellar. Abernathy, Marsh & Rouvray were a few good picks in there. But I worry about this team's structure. Its a bit all over the place. In typical Crows style, there isn't much of a focus in the forward lines IMO.

Gets was too slow to get a ruckman into that team. Modra was an excellent pick. I think we forget how much of an impact he had on our team.

C98 was also very good. McGuiness at 32 is amazing. Rutten and Johncock were brave early picks that I think paid off. But Beinke, Begley and few other late picks I thought overlooked some depth that was needed.

I wanted to take into account that MD had a significant advantage. But at the end of the day, some of his late picks real won me over: Viska, Burns, Lindsay were all absolute steals. The structure of his team is an excellent blend of height, pace, key marking forwards, inside and outside midfielders. I voted MD.

 

[kimirocks]

Kimirocks' draft effort was stellar. Abernathy, Marsh & Rouvray were a few good picks in there. But I worry about this team's structure. Its a bit all over the place. In typical Crows style, there isn't much of a focus in the forward lines IMO.

Agreed. I have no tall forwards except for Perrie and Bartlett (who I had to thrust back). In essence I basically got the team I wanted, apart from three players, Mark Stevens, Mark Viska and Fred Bassett. Height is my key issue. Was happy with my midfield and basically overall. I have to say it's pretty even amongst all teams, and certainly looks as though some good early picks (MD especially) set up your team quite well.

 

[macca23]

MD without a doubt. Excellent forward line with a good mid-field to feed it.

 

[KUNG FU]

I suppose this might be just as good a place to post this as anywhere...

Is anyone interested in doing a different draft game? I need a time killer. I don't care what the parameters are. An AFL draft for 2007. The goal is to make the best team for next year. All players currently on AFL lists and anyone nominated for a draft is available. 22 rounds. The draft order would be reversed every second round:

First Round: Team A, Team B ... Team N, Team P.
Second Round: Team P, Team N... etc etc.

I could take it to the Games board, but there isn't much action there at the moment and I'd prefer to play it with my fellow Crows supporters. Anyone interested?

 

[Stiffy_18]

MD without a doubt. Excellent forward line with a good mid-field to feed it.

What he said.

 

[Mad Dog]

I suppose this might be just as good a place to post this as anywhere...

Is anyone interested in doing a different draft game? I need a time killer. I don't care what the parameters are. An AFL draft for 2007. The goal is to make the best team for next year. All players currently on AFL lists and anyone nominated for a draft is available. 22 rounds. The draft order would be reversed every second round:

First Round: Team A, Team B ... Team N, Team P.
Second Round: Team P, Team N... etc etc.

I could take it to the Games board, but there isn't much action there at the moment and I'd prefer to play it with my fellow Crows supporters. Anyone interested?

Do it here - would be an excellent time killer - try to involve as many as possible.....

I would be happy to be involved but only to make up numbers....I would be just as happy to observe given my involvement in this game.

Get it organised KF.....

 

[Mad Dog]

Thanks for all your kind words...

this was a tough exercise - as M23 points out - you need a good fwd line but you also need an onball division that can get the ball out to runners and deliver.

Young Mick was definately the icing...

 

[Stiffy_18]

Young Mick was definately the icing...

I hope you made him the captain

 

[KUNG FU]

Do it here - would be an excellent time killer - try to involve as many as possible.....

I would be happy to be involved but only to make up numbers....I would be just as happy to observe given my involvement in this game.

Get it organised KF.....

EDIT: Just put a thread up for it - "Summer Fantasy Draft Game"

I hope you made him the captain

I agree! He studies at Flinders at the moment. I've managed to speak to him once before. Top player, coach and bloke.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Mad Dog has the strongest team easily, but I was more impressed by Vic Crow's effort given his draft position and voted accordingly.
A rotating draft order would have been ideal...

 

[glengowan]

Gets! easily. With Weidemann and Payze off the half back line and Cica to come off the bench, you can't go wrong.

 

[-VC-]

Mad Dog has the strongest team easily, but I was more impressed by Vic Crow's effort given his draft position and voted accordingly.
A rotating draft order would have been ideal...

I was very happy with how I did considering my draft position. I ended up with a midfield brigade pretty slow of foot but quick of hand. My main aim was to get a good, solid spine and apart from Ingerson I think I ended up with a very good spine.
I do agree that MD has the best team by quite a distance. Just as I was quite chuffed at my own spine you look at MD's!
I'm not voting yet coz not enough players have voted so I don't know whether or not it's uncool to vote for yourself.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Wellman at 35 was an absolute steal though.

No the criteria for the game was that players were to be judged on their output during their time at the Crows. So what Wellman, Carey, McCartney etc did before or after their time at the club doesn't come into it.

 

[Mad Dog]

I was very happy with how I did considering my draft position. I ended up with a midfield brigade pretty slow of foot but quick of hand. My main aim was to get a good, solid spine and apart from Ingerson I think I ended up with a very good spine.
I do agree that MD has the best team by quite a distance. Just as I was quite chuffed at my own spine you look at MD's!
I'm not voting yet coz not enough players have voted so I don't know whether or not it's uncool to vote for yourself

 

[KUNG FU]

No the criteria for the game was that players were to be judged on their output during their time at the Crows. So what Wellman, Carey, McCartney etc did before or after their time at the club doesn't come into it.

I'm well aware of that, but the standard of footy Wellman was playing even then was still brilliant. I would have rated him about #20 personally.

 

[Truck Rutten]

I'm well aware of that, but the standard of footy Wellman was playing even then was still brilliant. I would have rated him about #20 personally.

Brilliant??? You're having a turkish?!? Wellman would be the 20th guy you would pick (based on what he did while playing for the Crows) out of everyone who has represented the club???

 

[KUNG FU]

Brilliant??? You're having a turkish?!? Wellman would be the 20th guy you would pick (based on what he did while playing for the Crows) out of everyone who has represented the club???

Well I meant 20 or so. I'd rate him higher than Stevens, Hentschel, Caven, Jameson, McGregor, Hudson, Thompson, Vardy, Welsh, Clarke & Biglands at least. Maybe more. Some of those choices would have been made for the sake of structure, but I really rate Wellman quite highly well before he went to Essendon. Of course in return we were duly compensated, but I thought he was an important member of our team in those years.

 

[Warwick]

Has to be Vic Crow easily. He has a competitive team with the lowest draft picks. The first couple of teams are better, but they had the higher picks every round.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Well I meant 20 or so. I'd rate him higher than Stevens, Hentschel, Caven, Jameson, McGregor, Hudson, Thompson, Vardy, Welsh, Clarke & Biglands at least. Maybe more. Some of those choices would have been made for the sake of structure, but I really rate Wellman quite highly well before he went to Essendon. Of course in return we were duly compensated, but I thought he was an important member of our team in those years.

Gee, I think you're being a bit tough on those guys you named. I'd take most of them before Sean.

I'm going to have to go into bat for two of my personal favourites:

Stevens was an absolute soldier for the club, who got the very best out of himself. His 2001 season at CHF was superb.

Vards is up there with the most freakishly skilled and explosive players we've ever had. If not for recurring soft tissue injuries and the fact he wasn't quite 100% focused, he could have been a superstar.

 

[KUNG FU]

Gee, I think you're being a bit tough on those guys you named. I'd take most of them before Sean.

I'm going to have to go into bat for two of my personal favourites:

Stevens was an absolute soldier for the club, who got the very best out of himself. His 2001 season at CHF was superb.

Vards is up there with the most freakishly skilled and explosive players we've ever had. If not for recurring soft tissue injuries and the fact he wasn't quite 100% focused, he could have been a superstar.

Don't get me wrong. My argument is for Wellman, not against the other players. Vards is a personal favourite of mine as well, I'd factor his injuries into where I would draft him personally.

 

[Alex99]

Don't get me wrong. My argument is for Wellman, not against the other players. Vards is a personal favourite of mine as well, I'd factor his injuries into where I would draft him personally.

One of the main criteria’s was “how that player performed as an Adelaide Crow” not over the journey of his career.

Sean Wellman only played 34 games for the Adelaide Crows and that was at the beginning of his career. There is definitely an argument there for him to be selected before Scott Thompson, Trent Hentschel, Ben Hudson but not Peter Caven, Ken McGregor, Mathew Clarke, Rhett Biglands, Peter Vardy and especially not Mark Stevens.

His reputation at Essendon got him selected as early as he did, but saying that in the history of the AFC he would be out 4th best CHB so being picked up at pick 35 is about correct. (Vardy went at 29).

 

[KUNG FU]

One of the main criteria’s was “how that player performed as an Adelaide Crow” not over the journey of his career.

Sean Wellman only played 34 games for the Adelaide Crows and that was at the beginning of his career. There is definitely an argument there for him to be selected before Scott Thompson, Trent Hentschel, Ben Hudson but not Peter Caven, Ken McGregor, Mathew Clarke, Rhett Biglands, Peter Vardy and especially not Mark Stevens.

His reputation at Essendon got him selected as early as he did, but saying that in the history of the AFC he would be out 4th best CHB so being picked up at pick 35 is about correct. (Vardy went at 29).

I'm well aware of that criteria. I genuinely think Wellman was that good in those 34 games that he was worth much more. FWIW, I really didn't watch him play very much at Essendon other versus the Crows or finals. I usually can't stand to to watch the Dons play.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well I meant 20 or so. I'd rate him higher than Stevens, Hentschel, Caven, Jameson, McGregor, Hudson, Thompson, Vardy, Welsh, Clarke & Biglands at least. Maybe more. Some of those choices would have been made for the sake of structure, but I really rate Wellman quite highly well before he went to Essendon. Of course in return we were duly compensated, but I thought he was an important member of our team in those years.

That is a MASSIVE call. Stevens was a great player for us and his couple of years at CHF were excellent. And lets not even tall about Vardy. Easily the best opportunist we have ever had. Could crumb the goals out of his backside but he was also very strong in the air for a playuer of his size.

I would at least have those 2 ahead of Crows version of Wellman. There would be more.