Resource Adelaide Oval Win-Loss Record and other stats

[RussellEbertHandball]

Partly due to always struggling to find the stats put up by tribey in 2022 in that year's stats thread I've started this one so that over the years, we can track Port's record at home and see if we can get a real massive home advantage especially come finals time as various teams have when they are strong.

Eg WCE at Subiaco and WACA and to a lesser extent the first 3 years at Perth Stadium, and Brisbane at the Gabba in their dominate years only lose 1 or 2 games a season at the locally named Gabbatoir in these dominate years.

BelowI will start with the stats posts made in that thread. I will update them thru the preseason and then add to them once 2024 season starts.

Currently Port at AO are;
77-46 at AO for 62.6% win record, and 76-46 since the 2014 redevelopment after the one off game against Melbourne in 2011 at the old AO.

At Footy Park our record was 127-2-84 for 59.6%.
At end of 2004 it was 75-1-27 for 72.1%, and end of 2007 it was 97-2-43 for 68.3%, WCE type home ground advantage stats.

Brisbane Lions after the merger with Fitzroy were 77-2-22 at the Gabba at end of 2004 for 76.2%. They are now 195-3-122 for 60.9%. Port combined 2 stadiums stats are 204-2-130 for 60.7%

WCE were 21-6 at Perth Stadium at end of 2019 and 28-7 at end of 2020's covid interrupted year. They are now 38-33 at PS.

At the WACA the Eagles were 28-8 at end of 1994 when they won their 2nd flag ( they also were 45-12 at Subi) and ended up with a 41-13 record at end of 2000 when they played their last game there. At the end of 1999 at Subiaco, after 10 consecutive years making finals, they were 79-24 giving them a combined WA record of 117-37 for 76.0% given they were 38-13 at WACA at end of 1999. The Eagles finished up at Subi with 222-1-103 record for 68.1% win record there between 1987 and 2017.

No team will get to the Kardina Park record post 2006, as the ground is so skinny compared to other grounds that at least 8 games are played there each season. The Cats win loss record at the end of the year's listed below are;

1986 251-2-152
1996 316-3-178
2006 365-5-208 ie 49-2-30 previous 10 years
2011 400-5-211 ie 35-3 previous 5 years
2023 478-5-226 ie 78-15 previous 12 years

When tribey first posted these stats and I then manipulated them, Port's AO record was 60-39

Port in night games (game start 6-9pm) at Adelaide Oval:

2014: 2-2-0
2015: 3-2-0 (5-4-0)
2016: 2-4-0 (7-8-0)
2017: 3-3-0 (10-11-0)
2018: 3-2-0 (13-13-0)
2019: 2-3-0 (15-16-0)
2020: 3-2-0 (18-18-0)
2021: 5-4-0 (23-22-0)
2022: 0-3-0 (23-25-0)


1. R10 2014: Hawthorn (EOY: 2nd/) W 14
2. R16 2014: Essendon (7th) L 2
3. R20 2014: Sydney (1st/) L 26
4. R22 2014: Carlton (13th) W 103
5. R02 2015: Sydney (4th) L 48
6. R04 2015: Hawthorn (3rd/) W 8
7. R10 2015: Bulldogs (6th) W 38
8. R11 2015: Geelong (10th) L 23
9. R15 2015: Collingwood (12th) W 3
10. R03 2016: Essendon (18th) W 61
11. R05 2016: Geelong (2nd) L 48
12. R15 2016: Richmond (13th) W 38
13. R16 2016: Hawthorn (3rd) L 22
14. R21 2016: Melbourne (11th) L 40
15. R22 2016: Adelaide (5th) L 15
16. R03 2017: Adelaide (1st/) L 17
17. R05 2017: Carlton (16th) W 90
18. R11 2017: Hawthorn (12th) W 51
19. R15 2017: Richmond (3rd/) L 13
20. R23 2017: Gold Coast (17th) W 115
21. REF 2017: West Coast (8th) L 2
22. R05 2018: Geelong (8th) L 34
23. R12 2018: Richmond (1st/) W 14
24. R13 2018: Bulldogs (13th) W 57
25. R14 2018: Melbourne (5th) W 10
26. R23 2018: Essendon (11th) L 22
27. R06 2019: North Melb (12th) W 16
28. R08 2019: Adelaide (11th) L 20
29. R14 2019: Geelong (1st/) W 11
30. R15 2019: Bulldogs (7th) L 25
31. R19 2019: GWS (6th/) L 1
32. R02 2020: Adelaide (18th) W 75
33. R08 2020: St Kilda (6th) L 29
34. R10 2020: Bulldogs (7th) W 13
35. RQF 2020: Geelong (4th/) W 16
36. RPF 2020: Richmond (3rd/) L 6
37. R04 2021: Richmond (12th) W 2
38. R06 2021: St Kilda (10th) W 54
39. R08 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 49
40. R09 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 19
41. R13 2021: Geelong (3rd) L 21
42. R17 2021: Melbourne (1st/) L 31
43. R21 2021: Adelaide (15th) W 4
44. RQF 2021: Geelong (3rd) W 43
45. RPF 2021: Bulldogs (5th/) L 71
46. R02 2022: Hawthorn (?) L 64
47. R03 2022: Adelaide (?) L 4
48. R04 2022: Melbourne (?) L 32

Versus Top-8: 9-18
Versus Bottom-10: 14-4
Versus Yet To Be Determined: 0-3

Your post made me look at our record in other time slots.

Night 23-24
Twlgt 23-12
Day.. 14-3
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Total 60-39

We have asked for night and twilight games. Looks like we can't handle the big stage of Friday night and Saturday night. NTUA and our gameday stuff probably make us attractive for night games. Nick Riewoldt last year said our games at AO are box office.

Edit
Thursday night 4-3
Friday night 9-4
Sunday night 1-0
Monday night 1-0
Saturday night 8-17

Thursday Night 4-3
9. R15 2015: Collingwood (12th) W 3
13. R16 2016: Hawthorn (3rd) L 22
18. R11 2017: Hawthorn (12th) W 51
24. R13 2018: Bulldogs (13th) W 57
35. RQF 2020: Geelong (4th/) W 16
41. R13 2021: Geelong (3rd) L 21
42. R17 2021: Melbourne (1st/) L 31


Friday Night 9-4
4. R22 2014: Carlton (13th) W 103
8. R11 2015: Geelong (10th) L 23
10. R03 2016: Essendon (18th) W 61
12. R15 2016: Richmond (13th) W 38
17. R05 2017: Carlton (16th) W 90
23. R12 2018: Richmond (1st/) W 14
25. R14 2018: Melbourne (5th) W 10
26. R23 2018: Essendon (11th) L 22
27. R06 2019: North Melb (12th) W 16
36. RPF 2020: Richmond (3rd/) L 6
37. R04 2021: Richmond (12th) W 2
44. RQF 2021: Geelong (3rd) W 43
47. R03 2022: Adelaide (?) L 4

Sunday Night 1-0
38. R06 2021: St Kilda (10th) W 54

Monday Night 1-0
34. R10 2020: Bulldogs (7th) W 13

This is our Saturday night sequence at AO for our 8-17 record.

1st-4th WLLWLLLW ...... 3-5
5th-8th LWLLLLLLLL ......1-9
Bott 10 LWLWWW .........4-2
TBD..... L .....................0-1 Hawks will probably be a bottom 10 team

Most years the 5th-8th teams are sides that are at around our level.

Got some work to do this preseason to bring it up to date.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Will keep long term running tally in this post.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Thank's to Coobk001 for these stats and comments to end of 2023, that he posted in the Ken Hinkley Era Stats thread as well.


At the conclusion of 2023 the following was our record at Adelaide Oval: (Not including the 2011 game against Melb)

We have not lost to a bottom 4 side at Adelaide Oval in the Ken era.

For Bottom 10 clashes at home:

• In day or twilight we rarely lose. We are 35 W, 2 L in those fixtures.
• In Night games the figures drop to 70% - 19W, 8L.

Now step into the top 8 games:

• In Night games we are 33%, An alarming 27% against 5-8 sides and surprisingly 39% against top 4, but also 33% in finals. So basically any home night game against quality opposition, or final, and we are at best a 1:3 chance.
• Twilight makes a slight difference going 42% against top 8, with the top 4, 36%, and 5-8, 50%. Overall we go at 69% in twilight.
• Day games are where we are at our best though. We are 100% against top 4, overall 50% against top 8, and we have gone 85% overall.

Realistically with a coach that has won 60% of his games, you'd expect that at our home ground surely that record is surely better than that, and it is overall at 62%. However, when you consider those night results of 50% overall, and when you consider that basically the majority of our wins come only from being consistently able to beat s**t teams. It's a pretty poor home record.

	W	L
Day Games	17	3	85.0%
Finals	1	0	100.0%
Vs Top 4	2	0	100.0%
Vs Top 8	3	3	50.0%
Vs 5-8	1	3	25.0%
Vs Bottom 10	14	0	100.0%
Vs Bottom 4	9	0	100.0%
	W	L
Twilight Games	29	13	69%
Finals	0	0	N/A
Vs Top 4	4	7	36%
Vs Top 8	8	11	42%
Vs 5-8	4	4	50%
Vs Bottom 10	21	2	91%
Vs Bottom 4	8	0	100%
	W	L
Night Games	30	30	50%
Finals	2	4	33%
Vs Top 4	7	11	39%
Vs Top 8	11	22	33%
Vs 5-8	4	11	27%
Vs Bottom 10	19	8	70%
Vs Bottom 4	8	0	100%

Just took this stat a bit further:

For Bottom 10 clashes at home:
In day or twilight we rarely lose. We are 35 W, 2 L in those fixtures.

The only 2 we've lost were Crows in Away Showdowns.

So excluding Adelaide, we simply don't lose to bottom 10 sides at home, in day or twilight games. You can set your watch to it.

 

[Portology]

Port in night games (game start 6-9pm) at Adelaide Oval:

Versus Top-8: 9-18
Versus Bottom-10: 14-4
Versus Yet To Be Determined: 0-3

We have asked for night and twilight games. Looks like we can't handle the big stage of Friday night and Saturday night. NTUA and our gameday stuff probably make us attractive for night games. Nick Riewoldt last year said our games at AO are box office.

This is our Saturday night sequence at AO for our 8-17 record.

1st-4th WLLWLLLW ...... 3-5
5th-8th LWLLLLLLLL ......1-9
Bott 10 LWLWWW .........4-2
TBD..... L .....................0-1 Hawks will probably be a bottom 10 team

Most years the 5th-8th teams are sides that are at around our level.

Sir, many thanks for all that work! Apologies for my very selective editing ^^^ just to make a snarky point...

Of course our games are "box office", every team that is "around the mark" fancies their chances against us even at home, and their supporters get to see that happen after we parade around like we're some big banana of football.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Another big expectation Saturday night home game, another loss, when we did enough to win.

Night games at AO, we are now 30-31. Saturday night games we are now 12-24.
Thursday night 5-3
Friday night... 11-4
Sunday night... 1-0
Monday night... 1-0

I will assume Melbourne will be a top 8 team in 2024 means our record against top 8 sides is now 11-23.

I guess its a good thing that the so far scheduled night home games until end of Rd 15, sees us play this Friday night against Essendon, Friday night 26th April v St Kilda Rd 7, Thursday night v Carlton Rd 12. Crows home showdown Thursday night Rd 8 2nd of May will be a test, they will pump it up, high expectations.

Undefeated Freo could still be undefeated when we play them Rd 5 Saturday night 13th April. Big game, same same result???

 

[tribey]

Another big expectation Saturday night home game, another loss, when we did enough to win.

Night games at AO, we are now 30-31. Saturday night games we are now 12-24.
Thursday night 5-3
Friday night... 11-4
Sunday night... 1-0
Monday night... 1-0

I will assume Melbourne will be a top 8 team in 2024 means our record against top 8 sides is now 11-23.

I guess its a good thing that the so far scheduled night home games until end of Rd 15, sees us play this Friday night against Essendon, Friday night 26th April v St Kilda Rd 7, Thursday night v Carlton Rd 12. Crows home showdown Thursday night Rd 8 2nd of May will be a test, they will pump it up, high expectations.

Undefeated Freo could still be undefeated when we play them Rd 5 Saturday night 13th April. Big game, same same result???

Past results don’t guarantee future returns, but between the ‘Saturday night’ and ‘versus top-8 teams’ metrics, we’re effectively a 2-to-1 underdog in our own house under those circumstances lol.

Absolutely and utterly astonishing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Past results don’t guarantee future returns, but between the ‘Saturday night’ and ‘versus top-8 teams’ metrics, we’re effectively a 2-to-1 underdog in our own house under those circumstances lol.

Absolutely and utterly astonishing.

At some point gambling companies are going to pick things up, and whilst they adjust for weight of $$$, they will factor this record in.

 

[tribey]

At some point gambling companies are going to pick things up, and whilst they adjust for weight of $$$, they will factor this record in.

There would be pro-punters out there who have made an absolute killing on the handicap lines alone.

It’s a huge edge.

 

[tribey]

Timmy brought up some of these numbers and splits on 5AA with Warren, who then wondered if there’s an issue with preparation for night games versus day games.

Off the back of Jarrod Walsh mentioning that based on the stats we should’ve won comfortably.

12 years in, we’re actually hearing some discussion pertaining to long-existing problems we’ve been screaming about forever.

12 years

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Saturday night game vs Freo who are 7th and like us 3-1 and probably will miss the 8, the Sportsbet bookies have us at $1.35 and Freo are $3.25. The other betting agencies are basically the same with a couple have Freo at $3.20.

Have the bookies factored in Port's Saturday night at AO? They will clean up if we lose.

But this is a low expectation Saturday night game, no national coverage, no heavyweight clash and no test against a real contender.

 

[Alberton Proud]

So reading above and including the 2 losses in 2023 R20 Collingwood and Final v GWS and this year's loss against the Dees

We are currently 4W - 17L against Top 8 Teams on a Saturday Night at AO

That's an incredible stat

Load up on the Dockers !

Edit: updated to include 2023 and 2024

RussellEbertHandball feel free to amend this if it isn't correct

 

[Coobk001]

So reading above and including this year's match against the Dees

We are 4W - 15L against Top 8 Teams on a Saturday Night

That's an incredible stat

Load up on the Dockers !

Plus:

11-23 in night games against the eventual top 8. (Predicting Melb top 8 and Ess not)

31w 31l overall.

We're a 50/50 chance realistically, though at home we should be more, however if Freo are really a top 8 side those odds slide right down to 32%.