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[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Whilst I think your argument makes some sense, why would choose a player in the preseason draft, who we could have picked up with No.67 in the national?

We always do that. We always keep a spot free for the pre-season draft. Invite a few player out to train and see who would add something to our list. We have done it with Goodwin, Edwards, Vardy, Hentschel etc.

More often than not it works out for us.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kristof
Jesus, Stiffy - so you want three ruckmen on our list, two ruckmen on our rookie list, plus the Port Magpies ruckman (Parry) and the Bays ruckman (Kreuger). That's seven ruckmen - and even IF you're right in saying that two of them would be better as KPP, they'll be playing ruck in the lower leagues.

Oy vey ...

How many times do I have to tell you people that Parry and Krueger are not ruckman. AFL clubs can tell SANFL clubs where to play their players. If we want to develop them as KPPs then they will not play as ruckman in SANFL. Plain and simple.

You say we are well stocked with ruckman. Next year Clarke retires we have 2 ruckman in Biglands and Hudson (and who knows how he will turn out) and a pinch hitter in Krueger. Is that a long term succession planning??????

It wasn't that long ago (1999??????) that all our ruckmen were injured (2 season ending injuries) and we were left with the likes of Mark Stevens, Ian Perrie and Trent Ormond-Allen to play as ruckman. Do we really want to go down that track again?????? At the end of that year we had to trade for another ruckman and traded pick 6 and 21 to Brisbane for Matthew Clarke. Do we want to be forced into that situation again where we simply must overpay for a player??????

Even this year we had to go into a game with only 1 ruckman fit to play. Lucky for us Jeff White pulled out of the game, and the timing of that game was somewhat good (last game before mid-season break). If that happened in the middle of a very important run where we had to win to make the finals we would have been well and truely ****ed. For years our rucking depth has left a lot to be desired.

As I said before 4 real ruckman on the list and one on the rookie list is the way to go every year IMHO.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
As I said before 4 real ruckman on the list and one on the rookie list is the way to go every year IMHO.

There is also the added bonus that even if they aren't that good you can still get some terrific trade deals for young ruckmen. People would pay well over the odds for a Mark Jamar or someone these days, even if he can't command a position at a crap club like Melbourne.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
How many times do I have to tell you people that Parry and Krueger are not ruckman. AFL clubs can tell SANFL clubs where to play their players. If we want to develop them as KPPs then they will not play as ruckman in SANFL. Plain and simple.

And i can tell you now that if you draft Parry, and Port has no other viable ruck option like they did for 85% of this year, then Parry will play in the ruck for Port no matter what the Crows want.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Port01
There is also the added bonus that even if they aren't that good you can still get some terrific trade deals for young ruckmen. People would pay well over the odds for a Mark Jamar or someone these days, even if he can't command a position at a crap club like Melbourne.

Exactly right. Just look at this years trading period. Peter Street commanded high value even tho he is one of the crappiest ruckman around. You can neve have too many ruckman IMHO. If those ruckman are versatile and can play in a different position\s then even better.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
And i can tell you now that if you draft Parry, and Port has no other viable ruck option like they did for 85% of this year, then Parry will play in the ruck for Port no matter what the Crows want.

And I can tell you now that if that was the case and Adelaide desperately wanted him to play as a KPP, they would transfer him to another SANFL club. It has happened in the past and will happen again. Every player is an investment. Do you think AFC would like to "waste" their investment??????

 

[DaveW]

I hope a situation like that wouldn't eventuate.

It wouldn't do much for our relationship with the SANFL clubs by forcing them to play their best players out of their most effective positions.

I'd hate to see us move a player from a club he's been with since before he was drafted. I don't mind us moving players like Perrie, Schuback and Smith so much though.

 

[Portia]

Yeah, I don't think either AFL club has moved a player from a club they were drafted from.

 

[macca23]

Just on the pre-season draft, unless I'm mistaken, I think the order of team selection is:

1 Bulldogs
2 Carlton
3 Richmond
4 Geelong
5 St Kilda
6 Kangaroos
7 Adelaide
8 Port Adelaide
9 Brisbane
10 Carlton
11 Richmond
12 St Kilda
13 St Kilda

With the Bullies to take Rawlins, Carlton to take Stevens, and Shane Harvey to go before our pick (have I missed anyone??) we should be in a good position to draft a good young player, presuming we do use that pick.

If we're talking smalls, Stiffy is on target with Jacob Surjan, but Richmond were talking about taking him at draft time. Another interesting small is Luke Herrington, a 177 cm goal-kicking forward from the Dandenong Stingrays who won All-Australian honours at the U/18 championships kicking 17 goals in the 3 games.

If it's talls then I'd be looking at Gayfer or Clifton in that order.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by macca23
Another interesting small is Luke Herrington, a 177 cm goal-kicking forward from the Dandenong Stingrays who won All-Australian honours at the U/18 championships kicking 17 goals in the 3 games.

Just noticed that he as born in January 1986 which makes him only 17. Does that mean that he can't be drafted in the pre-season draft as well?? When does the player have to be 18 to be eligible??

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Just on the pre-season draft, unless I'm mistaken, I think the order of team selection is:

1 Bulldogs
2 Carlton
3 Richmond
4 Geelong
5 St Kilda
6 Kangaroos
7 Adelaide
8 Port Adelaide
9 Brisbane
10 Carlton
11 Richmond
12 St Kilda
13 St Kilda

With the Bullies to take Rawlins, Carlton to take Stevens, and Shane Harvey to go before our pick (have I missed anyone??) we should be in a good position to draft a good young player, presuming we do use that pick.

If we're talking smalls, Stiffy is on target with Jacob Surjan, but Richmond were talking about taking him at draft time. Another interesting small is Luke Herrington, a 177 cm goal-kicking forward from the Dandenong Stingrays who won All-Australian honours at the U/18 championships kicking 17 goals in the 3 games.

If it's talls then I'd be looking at Gayfer or Clifton in that order.

Yeah I think thats the order of the pre-season draft. Luke Herrington is th elast person we should draft. He is a 177 cm KPP who is a crap crumber. There is a reason he was not drafted. He is nowhere near AFL standard. One trick pony whose trick is not up to big time. Its one thing being a star at U18s and another thing in having what it takes to make it to AFL.

I would have thought that Richmond would be desperate for talls. Surely with their list they are crying out for a tall so I would suspect either Gayfer or Clifton would be their pick.

Geelong and St. Kilda would be our biggest threats for Surjan IMHO. If we got Surjan I would be very happy. However, I doubt whether we will use our pre-season pick. If we did, I would go for Surjan. If he is not available then go for best available. Another player that would be worth a shot is Lucas Teague from South Freo. Very skilfull player.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Just noticed that he as born in January 1986 which makes him only 17. Does that mean that he can't be drafted in the pre-season draft as well?? When does the player have to be 18 to be eligible??

He would have to be 18 by december 31st this year. So yes he is ineligible.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
I hope a situation like that wouldn't eventuate.

It wouldn't do much for our relationship with the SANFL clubs by forcing them to play their best players out of their most effective positions.

I'd hate to see us move a player from a club he's been with since before he was drafted. I don't mind us moving players like Perrie, Schuback and Smith so much though.

I would be against it but at the end of the day a club has to look after its interests and if you are spending $XXXK on players development you would want to make sure that you are not wasting your money.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
And I can tell you now that if that was the case and Adelaide desperately wanted him to play as a KPP, they would transfer him to another SANFL club. It has happened in the past and will happen again. Every player is an investment. Do you think AFC would like to "waste" their investment??????

You reckon Port would play Fiegert or Ah Chee in the ruck, or promote some raw untried reserves fella and play SANFL Team of the Year ruckmen Parry at CHB or FB just to keep Adelaide happy? dont count on it.

By the way, theres been a couple of cases of players being moved because they werent getting a game. Cant recall one player being moved because he was being played out of position.

And i'd also say Adelaide wouldnt be extremely unhappy if the SANFLs best ruckmen was playing in the ruck.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
You reckon Port would play Fiegert or Ah Chee in the ruck, or promote some raw untried reserves fella and play SANFL Team of the Year ruckmen Parry at CHB or FB just to keep Adelaide happy? dont count on it.

By the way, theres been a couple of cases of players being moved because they werent getting a game. Cant recall one player being moved because he was being played out of position.

And i'd also say Adelaide wouldnt be extremely unhappy if the SANFLs best ruckmen was playing in the ruck.

Surely Port would be smart enough to recruit someone who is a genuine ruckman. I thought that would be a number 1 priority for the magpies to recruit some talls. I am not saying it will happen but its not impossible.

Why did Perrie move from South to North?????? Perrie was always in the league side with South but was played in defence. Adelaide wanted him to play forward.

IF Port wanted to develop Thurstans as a forward and Sturt played him as FB because he is the best FB in the comp, would you be happy?????? I don't think so.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
However, I doubt whether we will use our pre-season pick. If we did, I would go for Surjan. If he is not available then go for best available. Another player that would be worth a shot is Lucas Teague from South Freo. Very skilfull player.

A couple of points here.

Surely all teams should have 38 players on their primary list. Playing with a lesser list only indicates that the salary cap pie is being shared amongst too few, which indicates a degree of mismanagement.

As I understand it the AFL are getting a bit peeved with the clubs over this issue and have decreed that there will be a minimum of 37 players on the primary list, starting with season 2004. Are they going to a minimum of 38 players in 2005?

As for Lucas Teague, is he related to the player that was the Kangaroos' Teague? He looked a real player when he first started playing but fell away after that.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Surely Port would be smart enough to recruit someone who is a genuine ruckman. I thought that would be a number 1 priority for the magpies to recruit some talls. I am not saying it will happen but its not impossible.

Of course we will probably recruit someone, but id also say we are hoping Parry doesnt get picked up in the PSD. Id also question how much influence an AFL club can have over a rookie listed player.

IF Port wanted to develop Thurstans as a forward and Sturt played him as FB because he is the best FB in the comp, would you be happy?????? I don't think so.

If Thurstans was the best FB in the SANFL then i doubt I'd want him to be developed into a forward. Id also say he would be in the side as a defender.

Remember, we both think Parry would make a great CHB/FB, but its no guarantee that either of our clubs (if we draft them) will play him there. Not to mention the fact he has never played there before (he played at full forward in the WAFL, not full back like we thought).

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Are they going to a minimum of 38 players in 2005?

Correct. In 2005 minimum number of player will be 38. 37 is reasonable but 33 that Fremantle (???) had last year or the year before is a bloody joke.

As for Lucas Teague, is he related to the player that was the Kangaroos' Teague? He looked a real player when he first started playing but fell away after that.

Not that I know of. Lucas is a light framed winger with good pace and excellent disposal who will eventually develop into an onballer. He is about 182 cm / 7o kg from memory. We would have to do a bit of work with him but thats pretty much what you are expected to do with a 18 year old. I have to check my Inside football to see if he is eligible for pre-season draft this year.

Its well known our salary cap is very tight so we will most likely overlook the pre-season draft just to be on the safe side.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Macca19
Of course we will probably recruit someone, but id also say we are hoping Parry doesnt get picked up in the PSD. Id also question how much influence an AFL club can have over a rookie listed player.



If Thurstans was the best FB in the SANFL then i doubt I'd want him to be developed into a forward. Id also say he would be in the side as a defender.

Remember, we both think Parry would make a great CHB/FB, but its no guarantee that either of our clubs (if we draft them) will play him there. Not to mention the fact he has never played there before (he played at full forward in the WAFL, not full back like we thought).

I would have to agree that we wouldn't have too much control over rookie listed players.

I think Parry is a genuine FB/CHB prospect with his size and athletic ability. I would recruit him as a defender and wouldn't bother as a ruckman. Having said that if I was forced to pick between Parry and Grocke for a rookie spot I would go with Grocke. There is something special about that bloke and if he can only get himself right he could be a very good AFL KPP at both end of the ground. He has the potential to AA CHB. I rate him that highly. Unfortunately, I think you will get him instead of us

 

[DaveW]

Is Grocke tall enough for a KP?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Is Grocke tall enough for a KP?

He is 193 cm / 85 kg so I would say yes. Got loads of talent that kid. If he is over his CFS, I would snap him up in a second. He is hard working and a physical player. Also plays with a bit of flair.

 

[DaveW]

Ok - I saw Macca's post saying he was 187cm.

Now I see Stiffy's reply to that post saying he's 193cm.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Ok - I saw Macca's post saying he was 187cm.

Now I see Stiffy's reply to that post saying he's 193cm.

Here is a link to Roosters site. look under players and there is his picture and details

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by DaveW
Ok - I saw Macca's post saying he was 187cm.

Now I see Stiffy's reply to that post saying he's 193cm.

I got my info from a Footy Budget this year which over the past year has had a load of mistakes in it so id go with the info from the roosters site.

 

[Jasar]

I noticed that a few of you guys out there wanted some more information about Brad Lang. Well I'm a big fan of the Glenorchy Magpies (Storm) where Langy is from. I've seen at least 10 of Brad's games form last year and about 15 of his games this year. He play's ruckman for us, but floats down towards CHF/FP. I was a bit surprised that he said that he needs to improve his marking as I would rate him the best marker in our team and if not in the top 10 of the whole comp. When he play's ruck he's a good tap ruckman and if given the chance with Matthew Clarke could become a great one. For a bloke his size, I've NEVER EVER seen someone one swoop down and pick the ball up like he does.

But for is cons, I would have to say if he was going to play aAFL he would have to drastically improve his fitness, I wouldn't think he could run out anymore than 1 half of a game. I've also been told that he likes the "Grog" to much, but hey who doesn't!!!!!!

Brad is a good player though I'm not just that sure good enough for AFL, I mean the comp that he play's would just be a slight higher than amauter footy!!!

But I wish Brad all the luck, and would love to have him playing for Adelaide, just as much as I love having an ex-Crow coaching my local team as in, John Klug. Still has the best hands, whould nearly be able to handpass further that what most guy's could kick at Glenorchy!!!