AFL Corruption

[WeAreGeelong]

I watched The Front Bar tonight and hearing John Northey speak about Tony Lockett, I was blown away by what he said re: Lockett and Richmond/Sydney.

Forigve my ignornance, but I didn't realise Lockett had all but signed at Richmond before he famously signed with Sydney. Northey said that Lockett wanted to play with Richmond and they were trying to arrange a deal with St. Kilda and St. Kilda would not answer his many calls. He then called AFL boss at the time Ian Collins and told him that he was trying to arrange a deal with the Saints to get Lockett to Richmond and Collins told him that Lockett would be playing at Sydney and nowhere else.

I might be reading more into this, but I am staggered that the AFL basically overruled this and made Lockett go to Sydney instead. I guess they wanted Sydney to flourish as they were trying to establish them into the NSW rugby market. I know corruption exists in many forms of life, but this staggered me and I think it is disgusting that Ian Collins by the sounds of it orchestrated Lockett's move to Sydney instead of where he actually wanted to go.

Can anyone else shed some light on this? I feel like this sort of stuff still happens particularly with the new clubs trying to gain a foothold into rugby territory. I know the integrity of the competition is severely compromised anyway by the AFL's want to make as much money as possible, but I just didn't know about this Lockett one to be honest. Would be interested to hear others thoughts and memories on this one.

 

[The Sultan]

No surprise Collins was involved

 

[WeAreGeelong]

No surprise Collins was involved

Agreed - a lot of dodgy associated with that man.

 

[WeAreGeelong]

Would also like to say RIP Dean Jones - loved watching him play when I was a youngster. A sad day for Australian cricket.

 

[The Sultan]

Agreed - a lot of dodgy associated with that man.

Pretty sure he was front and centre in all the dodginess at Carlton in the 80-90s and soon as he got job at AFL dobbed us in.

 

[captain blood 17]

I watched The Front Bar tonight and hearing John Northey speak about Tony Lockett, I was blown away by what he said re: Lockett and Richmond/Sydney.

Forigve my ignornance, but I didn't realise Lockett had all but signed at Richmond before he famously signed with Sydney. Northey said that Lockett wanted to play with Richmond and they were trying to arrange a deal with St. Kilda and St. Kilda would not answer his many calls. He then called AFL boss at the time Ian Collins and told him that he was trying to arrange a deal with the Saints to get Lockett to Richmond and Collins told him that Lockett would be playing at Sydney and nowhere else.

I might be reading more into this, but I am staggered that the AFL basically overruled this and made Lockett go to Sydney instead. I guess they wanted Sydney to flourish as they were trying to establish them into the NSW rugby market. I know corruption exists in many forms of life, but this staggered me and I think it is disgusting that Ian Collins by the sounds of it orchestrated Lockett's move to Sydney instead of where he actually wanted to go.

Can anyone else shed some light on this? I feel like this sort of stuff still happens particularly with the new clubs trying to gain a foothold into rugby territory. I know the integrity of the competition is severely compromised anyway by the AFL's want to make as much money as possible, but I just didn't know about this Lockett one to be honest. Would be interested to hear others thoughts and memories on this one.

Yep. And you wonder why the older tiger fans hate the AFL. We've known this for years. And keep in mind a fews years earlier when we were on our death bed, guys like Ron Joseph and Ron Barrassi wanted us to fold and die. Some of us have long memories. And it's why we may have a harsher view than more recent footy fans who aren't across some history.

 

[Altum Volantes]

It’s funny how times changed and the league was absolutely filthy when the Swans gazumped the Giants and signed Buddy Franklin.

 

[juss]

There were plenty of shadies going on 30-50 years ago. Every club probably got some and lost some.

 

[GoalSneak38]

Collins is lower than poo

 

[katmanblue]

I watched The Front Bar tonight and hearing John Northey speak about Tony Lockett, I was blown away by what he said re: Lockett and Richmond/Sydney.

Forigve my ignornance, but I didn't realise Lockett had all but signed at Richmond before he famously signed with Sydney. Northey said that Lockett wanted to play with Richmond and they were trying to arrange a deal with St. Kilda and St. Kilda would not answer his many calls. He then called AFL boss at the time Ian Collins and told him that he was trying to arrange a deal with the Saints to get Lockett to Richmond and Collins told him that Lockett would be playing at Sydney and nowhere else.

I might be reading more into this, but I am staggered that the AFL basically overruled this and made Lockett go to Sydney instead. I guess they wanted Sydney to flourish as they were trying to establish them into the NSW rugby market. I know corruption exists in many forms of life, but this staggered me and I think it is disgusting that Ian Collins by the sounds of it orchestrated Lockett's move to Sydney instead of where he actually wanted to go.

Can anyone else shed some light on this? I feel like this sort of stuff still happens particularly with the new clubs trying to gain a foothold into rugby territory. I know the integrity of the competition is severely compromised anyway by the AFL's want to make as much money as possible, but I just didn't know about this Lockett one to be honest. Would be interested to hear others thoughts and memories on this one.

Same thing happened last year. With Cogs getting the ambassadorial payment to stay at GWS rather than go to Carlton.

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[VB_longneck]

Pretty sure he was front and centre in all the dodginess at Carlton in the 80-90s and soon as he got job at AFL dobbed us in.

the afl made sure you were never stripped of premierships though along with hawthorn and essendon

 

[basashi]

the afl made sure you were never stripped of premierships though along with hawthorn and essendon

It was the weirdest idea of an amnesty that ever existed.

It was like a gun amnesty where the crooks got to keep all their guns and the AFL / footy public received absolutely no benefit of any sort. Should still be reopened and there is no reason why it shouldn't.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I watched The Front Bar tonight and hearing John Northey speak about Tony Lockett, I was blown away by what he said re: Lockett and Richmond/Sydney.

Forigve my ignornance, but I didn't realise Lockett had all but signed at Richmond before he famously signed with Sydney. Northey said that Lockett wanted to play with Richmond and they were trying to arrange a deal with St. Kilda and St. Kilda would not answer his many calls. He then called AFL boss at the time Ian Collins and told him that he was trying to arrange a deal with the Saints to get Lockett to Richmond and Collins told him that Lockett would be playing at Sydney and nowhere else.

I might be reading more into this, but I am staggered that the AFL basically overruled this and made Lockett go to Sydney instead. I guess they wanted Sydney to flourish as they were trying to establish them into the NSW rugby market. I know corruption exists in many forms of life, but this staggered me and I think it is disgusting that Ian Collins by the sounds of it orchestrated Lockett's move to Sydney instead of where he actually wanted to go.

Can anyone else shed some light on this? I feel like this sort of stuff still happens particularly with the new clubs trying to gain a foothold into rugby territory. I know the integrity of the competition is severely compromised anyway by the AFL's want to make as much money as possible, but I just didn't know about this Lockett one to be honest. Would be interested to hear others thoughts and memories on this one.

Why are you staggered?

We all know that the AFL is a business. It's not a balanced sporting comp designed to find the best yeam each year.

Only the deluded die hards in their duffle coats cheering for the boys each week still believe that.

It's an entertainment product. I find it very entertaining, as I do many other sports.

It's just like watching a decent TV show and hoping your favourite character doesn't get killed off.

If you take it any more seriously than that, well, you're a fool really.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

the afl made sure you were never stripped of premierships though along with hawthorn and essendon

I guess it was a case of why penalise a club just because they were better at it than everyone else? Every club was rorting salary caps back then, so if you stripped premierships, you'd be penalising some and not others.

 

[Roobs321]

Gary Buckenara a couple weeks ago on Front Bar mentioned that the Sydney list was far under the salary cap during his coaching stint there (somewhat public domain knowledge). The AFL eventually resorted to step in and provide concessional support to give them a fair go onfield and allow the club to survive. The Lockett signing would tie into that, making sure Sydney uses its salary cap and has some crowd-pulling stars in the lineup. Seems more like AFL House had to take charge of the Swans direction for a while moreso than favouritism. To some, it is one and the same, an arguable conflict of interest, and they are entitled to that view, but the Swans as a club were in dire straits then, and Lockett had an immensely iconic impact on that club's name recognition which has played a role in helping Sydney to where it is today (and ultimately GWS that followed). The marquee policy is typically cringe in Australian sport, but in Sydney's case a few cycles of star forward signings have been worth the coin.

 

[The 747]

I watched The Front Bar tonight and hearing John Northey speak about Tony Lockett, I was blown away by what he said re: Lockett and Richmond/Sydney.

Forigve my ignornance, but I didn't realise Lockett had all but signed at Richmond before he famously signed with Sydney. Northey said that Lockett wanted to play with Richmond and they were trying to arrange a deal with St. Kilda and St. Kilda would not answer his many calls. He then called AFL boss at the time Ian Collins and told him that he was trying to arrange a deal with the Saints to get Lockett to Richmond and Collins told him that Lockett would be playing at Sydney and nowhere else.

I might be reading more into this, but I am staggered that the AFL basically overruled this and made Lockett go to Sydney instead. I guess they wanted Sydney to flourish as they were trying to establish them into the NSW rugby market. I know corruption exists in many forms of life, but this staggered me and I think it is disgusting that Ian Collins by the sounds of it orchestrated Lockett's move to Sydney instead of where he actually wanted to go.

Can anyone else shed some light on this? I feel like this sort of stuff still happens particularly with the new clubs trying to gain a foothold into rugby territory. I know the integrity of the competition is severely compromised anyway by the AFL's want to make as much money as possible, but I just didn't know about this Lockett one to be honest. Would be interested to hear others thoughts and memories on this one.

Dude, it's the AFL. The AFL is corrupt AF.

Commission people having stakes in businesses that the AFL awards contracts to, family members getting jobs, the whole drugs saga, the fixture, the 800 odd staff they have in the first place about 10% of who would be actually the best person for the job, secret formulas for priority picks, AA selection, Rising Star, compensation picks, finals venues, clubs negotiating their own penalties, the whole involvement with betting companies, the list goes on and and on and on.....

 

[BEaston]

Ian Collins and corruption? Hardly surprising.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

 

[Bungeye]

How can guys like Steele play ONE standout season make an All Australian team, while guys like Cunnington, Treloar and Ward can't after years of excellence?

From the outside it seems like it's a flawed system of inadequacies and bias.

 

[kaiserchief13]

There is corruption, just see the fixture each year, the umpiring run Bulldogs got in 2016 final series and the most recent decision to host 2020 GF at Gabba, yet we were told it is to be at MCG each year due to highest capacity, but there are 2 available stadiums with higher capacity than Gabba not utilised for some reason - probably certain people at the AFL cannot attend the GF in Adelaide or Perth....

 

[captain blood 17]

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[FRUMPY]

It’s funny how times changed and the league was absolutely filthy when the Swans gazumped the Giants and signed Buddy Franklin.

Nothing had really changed, they were again trying to prop up a new market

 

[kaiserchief13]

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You don't think it's corrupt that certain decisions are 'to maximise revenue', whereas other decisions are the complete opposite?

 

[btdg]

Dude, it's the AFL. The AFL is corrupt AF.

Commission people having stakes in businesses that the AFL awards contracts to, family members getting jobs, the whole drugs saga, the fixture, the 800 odd staff they have in the first place about 10% of who would be actually the best person for the job, secret formulas for priority picks, AA selection, Rising Star, compensation picks, finals venues, clubs negotiating their own penalties, the whole involvement with betting companies, the list goes on and and on and on.....

The only one of these that is remotely close to corruption is the first, and even then, there still needs to be proof of impropriety.

There’s quite a lot of nepotism in the AFL, but mostly that’s just a list of things you don’t like.

 

[btdg]

There is corruption, just see the fixture each year, the umpiring run Bulldogs got in 2016 final series and the most recent decision to host 2020 GF at Gabba, yet we were told it is to be at MCG each year due to highest capacity, but there are 2 available stadiums with higher capacity than Gabba not utilised for some reason - probably certain people at the AFL cannot attend the GF in Adelaide or Perth....

This is also not corruption. It’s just something you don’t like