AFL Round 1 - Collingwood vs Hawthorn - Matchday Discussion.

[Quicky]

At least keep the scoreline respectable.

Very rarely a side kicks 20 goals against us.

Bucks?

Lets see how we go when Tarrant and Maxwell are back. I think we missed both a lot tonight. Although I think Keeffe was good. Reid wasn't but Buddy was in a sadistic mood.

We need a game plan for our kick ins however! We had nothing.

 

[ksardog]

Im not overly concerned, we hav far more upside than they do.

 

[The Fact]

I don't really know what people were expecting. It seems obvious if you include Tarrant, Brown, Maxwell, Johnson Beams and Didak did I miss anyone?? then if I were the Hawrks I would be dissapionted that they let us score 115 pionts and effectively we were ahead at a stage in the last quater.

Luck for the hawks they have players to come back to

 

[Obese Arachnid]

As a known glass half empty guy.

NOT A FRIGGEN PROBLEM.

I saw that match as sweet, we are up & about.

Plenty to like.

 

[magpies77]

Luck for the hawks they have players to come back to

Yep, they do. Just like you have gumbleton to come back. Good luck

 

[lyfsux]

Meh. If the Hawks are the team to beat, then I'm feeling good about a flag this year.

agree 100% bad game from Harry but then again only had 1 good year and that was 2010, Taz Brown and Maxwell back will stop them easily

 

[noideaatall]

As a known glass half empty guy.

NOT A FRIGGEN PROBLEM.

I saw that match as sweet, we are up & about.

Plenty to like.

 

[Visions]

Lets see how we go when Tarrant and Maxwell are back. I think we missed both a lot tonight. Although I think Keeffe was good. Reid wasn't but Buddy was in a sadistic mood.

We need a game plan for our kick ins however! We had nothing.

Yep, losing Leon has hurt us big time in this department. We don't have one backman who can take kickouts and hit a team mate 80% of the time.

One thing that tonight showed is our depth is very very average. If we have an extended injury list throughout the year, we are screwed.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

One thing that tonight showed is our depth is very very average. If we have an extended injury list throughout the year, we are screwed.

Has that ever really been in doubt though?

 

[Visions]

Has that ever really been in doubt though?

Well, a lot of people have been spruiking how good our depth has been the last year or two.

 

[Ed D]

I agree, I'm not worried about the result but the team needs to build it's depth back up. That should be one goal for the team over the h&a season.

 

[mattys123]

I agree, I'm not worried about the result but the team needs to build it's depth back up. That should be one goal for the team over the h&a season.

Didn't we begin that process last night?

All be it forced.

Yagmoor, Keefe, Seedsman, Paine, Sinclair and Rounds aren't in our best 22 (yet), but they got valuable game time against as good of an opposition as their is.

I'd like to see any one who performs at VFL level over a 2-3 week period rewarded immediately, especially in the first two thirds of the season, and especially against the 8 or so lesser sides in the competition.

I believe we started building our depth last night, and Bucks won't hold back in giving any kid who shows a bit a game.

If I was religious I'd pray for Josh Thomas to get fit, my god we could use a tough nut like him in our squad.

 

[Ed D]

Didn't we begin that process last night?

All be it forced.

Yagmoor, Keefe, Seedsman, Paine, Sinclair and Rounds aren't in our best 22 (yet), but they got valuable game time against as good of an opposition as their is.

I'd like to see any one who performs at VFL level over a 2-3 week period rewarded immediately, especially in the first two thirds of the season, and especially against the 8 or so lesser sides in the competition.

I believe we started building our depth last night, and Bucks won't hold back in giving any kid who shows a bit a game.

If I was religious I'd pray for Josh Thomas to get fit, my god we could use a tough nut like him in our squad.

Yeah, we did, but it's more a point that the club needs to build it back up again throughout the season. Apart from Rounds the others didn't look up to it. 3 debutantes, you can't expect much from them, but I hope the list is never that weak again at the end of the season because at this stage the side can't rely on too many of the inexperienced players.

 

[mattys123]

3 debutantes, you can't expect much from them, but I hope the list is never that weak again at the end of the season because at this stage the side can't rely on too many of the inexperienced players.

That's the double edged sword though, these players will stay inexperienced until the end of the year unless we give them more exposure at senior level, and while like you I hope we don't have to play as man at once ever again this season, the harsh truth is we may need to, so I'd like to see at least 1-2 inexperienced players given a game each week.

By doing this we could also start a rotation policy in a few weeks of some of our hardest workers, I believe the likes of Jolly, Cloke, Swan, Ball, Shaw, Pendles and Reid will need several rests during the season so that they are cherry ripe to go in September.

We must follow the Cats of 2011 by introducing and rotating as many players as we can through the side for the entire season, even if it costs us a few wins along the way.

 

[Ed D]

That's the double edged sword though, these players will stay inexperienced until the end of the year unless we give them more exposure at senior level, and while like you I hope we don't have to play as man at once ever again this season, the harsh truth is we may need to, so I'd like to see at least 1-2 inexperienced players given a game each week.

By doing this we could also start a rotation policy in a few weeks of some of our hardest workers, I believe the likes of Jolly, Cloke, Swan, Ball, Shaw, Pendles and Reid will need several rests during the season so that they are cherry ripe to go in September.

We must follow the Cats of 2011 by introducing and rotating as many players as we can through the side for the entire season, even if it costs us a few wins along the way.

Yeah, I agree, I'm not saying we shouldn't play them, more the opposite, the club needs to build it's depth back up by continually playing the younger players and testing them out. Rotate and rest older guys or have a no tolerance rule with players with niggles. I don't know, but it's what stood out for me in the Hawthorn game.

 

[KissStephanie]

Yagmoor, Keefe, Seedsman, Paine, Sinclair and Rounds aren't in our best 22 (yet), but they got valuable game time against as good of an opposition as their is.

I thought Hawthorn would win this time. They had eleven players that had played 100 or more matches to Collingwood's eight. They only had eleven players that had played 99 or less matches. Collingwood had fourteen. Their average age was 25 years and 3 months, whilst Collingwood fielded the third youngest team this round at only 23 years and 6 months, which was behind only GWS and Gold Coast.

Despite that, to be within only two scoring shots in Round 1 indicates to me that the result will be reversed the next time the two teams play each other. In Round 15 last year, an undermanned Hawthorn lost to Collingwood by 41 points but were able to get 38 points closer in the Preliminary Final, which they should have won considering how unsettled Collingwood were that night. I'm very confident that Collingwood will reverse this result when close or at full strength.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I still think this depth thing is a little bit overblown.

You can't have depth if we don't play kids, and how many kids did we play last year?

Despite that, how many times are you going to have TEN premiership players/starting 22/genuine senior players missing at once?

I don't think even Hawthorn had that at their injury riddled worst in 09.

I think Freo is the only club that copped it that bad for an extended period, and the ladder finish last year showed that.

In all honesty, I'm surprised at how well I took that loss. I'm aware the Hawks had players missing, but anyone who has watched Collingwood vs Hawthorn games in the last 5 years will know that those missing players would have had little to no bearing on the game had we also had our players in.

Fact is, that Franklin and Mitchell were both there, and in the end, as always, they were the difference.

Tarrant plays? We win. So to be honest, as long as come finals time, we have MOST of our senior squad in tact, Hawthorn won't be the side I'll be worrying about, and I don't mean any disrespect to the Hawks with that comment.