AFL statement on alternative strips

[llosis]

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=95437

The AFL may soon force clubs to change their jumper for away games when there is an obvious clash with the home side if clubs continue to refuse to come up with an alternate jumper.

Good.

'bout time too.

 

[Kid Dynamite!]

Well Eddie, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

In all seriousness, its about time they made this decision. Should shut everyone - and I mean everyone, Power supporters included - up. The guernsey debate has been done to the death, and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. Lets just concentrate on football.

 

[nut]

""when there is an obvious clash with the home side""

Could some please let me know which are the obvious ones.

POWER V MAGPIES cannot be one surely.

 

[Still Crowing]

Originally posted by nut
""when there is an obvious clash with the home side""

Could some please let me know which are the obvious ones.

POWER V MAGPIES cannot be one surely.

Pretty much anytime there is a 'dark' team v another 'dark' team.

IMO: (Home team could be either)
Port v Collingwood
Essendon v Richmond
Essendon v St Kilda
Essendon v Melbourne
Richmond v Melbourne
Colingwood v Kangaroos
Carlton v Melbourne
Adelaide v Carlton
Adelaide v Melbourne
Geelong v Kangaroos
Port v Carlton
St Kilda v Melbourne
Bulldogs v Kangas

I'm sure someone could come up with a more comprehensive list....I just hope the AFL gets some balls and implements this sooner rather than later.

 

[Kid Dynamite!]

Originally posted by nut
""when there is an obvious clash with the home side""

Could some please let me know which are the obvious ones.

POWER V MAGPIES cannot be one surely.

Collingwood v 'Roos.. for obvious reasons.

I sometimes found it hard to distinguish between Pies and Power players when they were further up the ground. When they were standing near the goalsquare or in it, the clash was non-existent, because I was sitting behind the goals and the colours were quite different.

If that makes any sense.

 

[Nic]

Originally posted by Still Crowing

IMO: (Home team could be either)
Port v Collingwood
Essendon v Richmond
Essendon v St Kilda
Essendon v Melbourne
Richmond v Melbourne
Colingwood v Kangaroos
Carlton v Melbourne
Adelaide v Carlton
Adelaide v Melbourne
Geelong v Kangaroos
Port v Carlton
St Kilda v Melbourne
Bulldogs v Kangas

Collingwood v Geelong?

 

[Stealth bomber]

Fremantle (home) vs. Melbourne
West Coast (home) vs. Richmond

If Richmond went back to having the sash on the back, would it help?

West Coast should just wear the royal blue strip all the time, that's what all their supporters seem to want anyway.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.

Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.

Those who want to change do so, those who don't, don;t.

Stop trying to force s hit on other clubs.

 

[Malibu#27]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.

Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.

Those who want to change do so, those who don't, don;t.

Stop trying to force s hit on other clubs.

Whats an Essendon vote going to do - the AFL owns the guernsey.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.

I'm sure most Essendon members won't vote for their club to forfeit games and pay hefty fines for non-compliance. You act as though they had a real choice.

Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.

You might well come to realize that the AFL have more money than Essendon, and that the AFL own the rights to club guernseys. They can in fact decide not to license Essendon to use the black with red sash, if they so wish.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by Stealth bomber
West Coast should just wear the royal blue strip all the time, that's what all their supporters seem to want anyway.

I personally want our away strip in navy instead of royal blue for the home strip, and in royal blue for the alternate strip.

Certainly the only clash we have is with Richmond.

 

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.

Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.

Those who want to change do so, those who don't, don;t.

Stop trying to force s hit on other clubs.

The AFL basically owns Essendon's and every other clubs jumpers. If they force clubs to have an alternative jumpers then these clubs will have no choice.

Get ready...its comming

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Porthos what you forget is that the AFL needs Essendon. And a spat between the two is not good for the game and with peanuts like waynker and dimwit, how can we lose.

By the by, the members decide on any changes to the guernsey, the AFL can not force us to change, and don;t think we will roll over and take it up the a rse like the rest of the clubs do.

Plus I think their could be a handy ally in the Colliwobbles. Two most powerful clubs in the game, I think this might be even.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

 

[ozzult]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.

Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.

Those who want to change do so, those who don't, don;t.

Stop trying to force s hit on other clubs.

If the AFL says to change the jumper, they will change the jumper, vote or no vote.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Ozzult, its called a constitutiuon, I no that is ahard word to understand, but read about it, then come back with an actaul arguement.

They sure don;t function to well in the west.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Porthos what you forget is that the AFL needs Essendon.

Not half as much as Essendon needs the AFL. Whats your other alternative? You going to drop back to the VFL and lose all your players? Good luck with that.

By the by, the members decide on any changes to the guernsey, the AFL can not force us to change.

No, they can just make you forfeit games and pay fines. Ho ho.

 

[Dr.Grouse]

Originally posted by Still Crowing
Pretty much anytime there is a 'dark' team v another 'dark' team.

IMO: (Home team could be either)
Port v Collingwood
Essendon v Richmond
Essendon v St Kilda
Essendon v Melbourne
Richmond v Melbourne
Colingwood v Kangaroos
Carlton v Melbourne
Adelaide v Carlton
Adelaide v Melbourne
Geelong v Kangaroos
Port v Carlton
St Kilda v Melbourne
Bulldogs v Kangas

I'm sure someone could come up with a more comprehensive list....I just hope the AFL gets some balls and implements this sooner rather than later.

Absolutely spot on.

This is how I see Collingwood's away games. There are a couple of cases where it would actually be better to wear our home strip. But most cases would require our old mostly white jumper with black stripes and white shorts. But there are a few cases that might require a completely foreign colour. And one where I think all-white is the best option. This is how I see each case:

Essendon V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

Melbourne V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

West Coast V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

Richmond V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

Sydney V Collingwood (black with white stripes, black shorts)

Carlton V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

Geelong V Collingwood (all red)

Kangaroos V Collingwood (all red)

Hawthorn V Collingwood (black with white stripes, black shorts)

Western Bulldogs V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

St.Kilda V Collingwood (all white)

Brisbane V Collingwood (black with white stripes, black shorts)

Adelaide V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

Port Adelaide V Collingwood (all red)

Fremantle V Collingwood (white with black stripes, white shorts)

The only other option, and possibly a simpler one and more acceptable to the traditionalists would be to have a standard away strip for all away games. This would have to heavily accentuate the white rather than the black. This would mean a variation on the old mostly white jumper. You'd have to make the white stripes much thicker and the black stripes much thinner. To be worn with white shorts to maximize the contrast.

As for socks. They should normally be black. But if the opposition wears black or navy blue socks, we should go for hooped socks. Except in cases where we're in the all-red. Then we should wear red socks too.

 

[Grumpy Bum]

How did we all survive those years when the jumpers were almost identical. What are we all going to do if they happen to play in the mud one day (rare event these days I know). Are we going to petition the AFL to put a roof over every stadium. Are we all that spoilt or ignorant now that we cant distinguish our players from the oppositions. I know I can and I'm short sighted.

 

[grayham]

Looks like Demetriou (sp?) is making some strong claims to the CEO's job now.

This is two big indications that the AFL is going to take a harder line on club agendas.
1) This jumper clash thing being enforced.
2) His recent statement that the concession to Bris and Syd are staying.

I'm starting to warm to him.

 

[ozzult]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Ozzult, its called a constitutiuon, I no that is ahard word to understand, but read about it, then come back with an actaul arguement.

They sure don;t function to well in the west.

Listen ********, no matter how important you think your clubs "constitution" is, it isn't as big, or as powerful as the AFL.

 

[Dr.Grouse]

Originally posted by Porthos
Not half as much as Essendon needs the AFL. Whats your other alternative? You going to drop back to the VFL and lose all your players? Good luck with that.

No, they can just make you forfeit games and pay fines. Ho ho.

Spot on.

The members of a club can get as pig-headed about it as they like. But the consequences could be relegation to the VFL.

Really, if clubs are going to behave like they belong in the little league than that's exactly where they should be sent.

And that goes as much for the Mighty Magpies as it goes for the Bombres.

It might even go a lot of the way towards reducing the number of Melbourne based sides if you get rid of Collingwood and Essendon.

I'd hate to see that happen. But if these two great clubs continue to act like imbeciles, then they should wind up in the Imbeciles Football League.

Yesterday's ideas belong to yesterday's people.

If the members want to vote their clubs into oblivion, then let them.

 

[Dr.Grouse]

Originally posted by Grumpy Bum
How did we all survive those years when the jumpers were almost identical ...

That what I'd like to know.

How the hell DID we manage?

And furthermore ... why were we so stupid to even attempt to?

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
Ozzult, its called a constitutiuon, I no that is ahard word to understand, but read about it, then come back with an actaul arguement.

Your club gave all its rights to its name and jumper to the AFL. The fact you think your constitution is still relevant does not matter. Your club no longer has the legal entitlement to enforce that particular part of your constitution. Essendon can be refused the right to wear the AFL-owned jumper design, regardless of a member vote.

 

[pazza]

Originally posted by Dr.Grouse
Spot on.

The members of a club can get as pig-headed about it as they like. But the consequences could be relegation to the VFL.

Really, if clubs are going to behave like they belong in the little league than that's exactly where they should be sent.

And that goes as much for the Mighty Magpies as it goes for the Bombres.

It might even go a lot of the way towards reducing the number of Melbourne based sides if you get rid of Collingwood and Essendon.

I'd hate to see that happen. But if these two great clubs continue to act like imbeciles, then they should wind up in the Imbeciles Football League.

Yesterday's ideas belong to yesterday's people.

If the members want to vote their clubs into oblivion, then let them.

As an Essendon member who voted in our constitution (re-worded in 1998), the early clauses in it read:

Colours: Our colours will remain red and black;

Jumper: Our jumper will reain a black jumper with a red sash. (This isn't completely word-for-word, but a summary)

If the AFL weren't happy with it, they could have said so, 4 years ago, but, the tight-arses chose not to.

In all seriousness, they could have taken the licence off us then, but they didn't, they won't (because they recognise the importance of having us in a 16-team competition), and they know if they try to, they face a fight.

 

[gPhonque]

What a big load of horsesh|t.

This was never as much of a problem until all the clubs started changing their strips a few years ago.

Club guernseys are becoming so cluttered, and in turn much darker.

Blue is getting darker and darker each year (well really, it has been for the past decade or so) and the amount of dark colour VS lighter colour is getting more and more in favour of 'dark' each year.

Plus, you add sponsership rubbish all over the guernseys as well, and you end up with cluttered crap, which is exactly what most teams jumpers are these days.

You used to be able take a quick glance at the football and know who was playing immediately. (unless it was at Moorabbin)

Not so anymore.

Rather than forcing clubs like Essendon to change their guernsey so that it doesn't clash with all these new fancy darker guernseys, how about the teams that have created this problem change their guernseys back to what they should be, and then we'll work from there?


"We're gonna make our guernsey REALLY DARK this year, so...ummm......can you change yours Essendon so it doesn't clash with our new fancy and REALLY REALLY DARK guernsey?"

**** off.

Also, are white shorts not good enough anymore?



For the record, I've changed my opinion on this subject over the past couple of years. I'd now be in favour of Essendon using a new "away" guernsey, but it must be red and black (obviously more red than black) and must look like a VFL footy jumper, and not a mess of fancy little patterns with flames and what have you......

Just a footy jumper.


But I still say that the AFL would be better off looking at all these new guernseys created by the other teams before they started messing with the traditional ones.