AFLW

[Herne Hill Hammer]

A couple of points:
1. How much attention does an elite male AFL player get when he returns to pre season training with skinfolds 2 or 3% more than they should be? They get smashed and we all hear about it. How much flak did Daniel Wells cop last year when he took to the field when he wasn't necessarily in prime condition?
2. Go down to any local game of male footy and listen to the flak an overweight player cops from their opponents and opposition supporters. As far as I'm aware it is not an offence to call someone fat, unless you're referring to a woman on a sporting field, and then you're a disgraceful body shamer.

I'm going back to the 70s and right up to now. Every year during the finals, when teams are named, they are in the paper, , name, age, games played, finals played, height, weight, goals kicked.

Never seen a women's team named with the weights listed. Maybe I'm just looking the in the wrong places.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Not even close

Not far off it and the big man could smash those dimmies down, in between have a drag of his smoke at half time.

 

[Topkent]

Not far off it and the big man could smash those dimmies down, in between have a drag of his smoke at half time.

Good old days.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's great that women want to play sport, and nobody should stand in their way if that's what they enjoy. If it succeeds, then paying current AFLW players a "pioneer' salary will be justified. But there will come a point where nobody should expect to be paid more than the game itself is capable of bringing in.

With you on this. I enjoy AFLW, I’m delighted my daughter can watch it and be inspired by it, but at the end of the day it’ll be about bums on seats.

If the comp can pull in the crowds and the ratings, fantastic, but if it can’t, there’ll be no getting around the fact that the market gave it a crack, but in the end the market decided it didn’t like it enough.

 

[Cdog71]

I don’t think it’s a high standard game to watch and I get nervous watching the code-hoppers rush in face first to tackle. You can see not many of them have grown up with the game, but more and more are.
What it has the potential to do is make suburban/country footy clubs stronger by having more families join the club and be part of the club. It’s a chance for the whole industry to strengthen from grassroots level.
What will make out game better for the future is having boys and girls kicking the footy together at primary school lunchtime.
Which is starting to happen.

 

[Ron The Bear]

With you on this. I enjoy AFLW, I’m delighted my daughter can watch it and be inspired by it, but at the end of the day it’ll be about bums on seats.

If the comp can pull in the crowds and the ratings, fantastic, but if it can’t, there’ll be no getting around the fact that the market gave it a crack, but in the end the market decided it didn’t like it enough.

Only posted after reading Susie O'Brien's piece in the HS, claiming female athletes should be paid on par with men in all sports. Some of the ideas floating around veer dangerously close to communism, and that's without even addressing where the money is supposed to come from (presumably men are expected to make huge pay sacrifices under this system).

 

[Cdog71]

Could be a savvy club might take advantage of the fact theres no salary cap for the women to be able to entice one of the girls brothers to play as part of a trade deal.
Just a thought

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Only posted after reading Susie O'Brien's piece in the HS, claiming female athletes should be paid on par with men in all sports. Some of the ideas floating around veer dangerously close to communism, and that's without even addressing where the money is supposed to come from (presumably men are expected to make huge pay sacrifices under this system).

I'm all for communism, but only in the real world.

 

[Milanista28]

Susie O'Brien's

I personally believe she's a dumb campaigner.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

AFL ****ed up expanding too soon and handling the conferences.

 

[La Dispute]

Don’t really understand the vitriol directed towards it IMO.

Naturally it’s going to take a number of years to get to a reasonable standard, but once the talent pool widens and the grassroots partipation increases it will improve. There are some gun players in the comp - it’s just the gap between good players and poor players is huge at the moment.

Amazing the concern some supporters have for the AFL’s allocating time and resources to growing the competition. Certainly weren’t complaining when the AFL were bailing them out financially because they couldn’t manage themselves without assistance.

 

[radiojake]

Could be a savvy club might take advantage of the fact theres no salary cap for the women to be able to entice one of the girls brothers to play as part of a trade deal.
Just a thought

there is a salary cap for the women

and clubs were already trying to circumvent it by paying them through the VFLW - which made the AFL respond by giving the VFLW clubs a salary cap of $0

 

[Brad Goodman]

Don’t really understand the vitriol directed towards it IMO.

I think to a decent extent people's views on AFLW more or less align with their views on gender quality and general political views.

 

[Fadge]

I think to a decent extent people's views on AFLW more or less align with their views on gender quality and general political views.

Assume you mean gender equality, and if so I couldn't disagree more.

Women can absolutely be better Prime Ministers, CEOs, Engineers, etc. but women are biologically different to men and therefore can never be expected to compete with them on a football field, so it will always be a vastly inferior product.

 

[La Dispute]

Assume you mean gender equality, and if so I couldn't disagree more.

Women can absolutely be better Prime Ministers, CEOs, Engineers, etc. but women are biologically different to men and therefore can never be expected to compete with them on a football field, so it will always be a vastly inferior product.

They don’t compete with men on a football field - they compete against other women.

There’s no doubt men’s sport is on the whole more entertaining, but that’s neither here nor there. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it, and don’t act as if there is any imposition on the men’s competition because of it.

 

[Fadge]

They don’t compete with men on a football field - they compete against other women.

There’s no doubt men’s sport is on the whole more entertaining, but that’s neither here nor there. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it, and don’t act as if there is any imposition on the men’s competition because of it.

Were you actually responding to my comment? Because none of the points you make are in any way relevant to what I stated.

 

[La Dispute]

Were you actually responding to my comment? Because none of the points you make are in any way relevant to what I stated.

Equality isn’t about being better or worse at the sport. If that was the case they’d never bother creating a stand alone women’s league.

Saying it’s a vastly inferior product is obvious - it doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist.

 

[Fadge]

Equality isn’t about being better or worse at the sport. If that was the case they’d never bother creating a stand alone women’s league.

Saying it’s a vastly inferior product is obvious - it doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist.

Equality - the state of being equal, especially in status, rights or opportunities.

I suggest many male posters in this forum may feel discriminated against, given despite the fact they are vastly superior footballers to most of the contracted AFLW players, they don't have the opportunity to represent an AFL club and regularly play in televised games, not to mention the sponsorship $$$ that comes with it.

 

[La Dispute]

Equality - the state of being equal, especially in status, rights or opportunities.

I suggest many male posters in this forum may feel discriminated against, given despite the fact they are vastly superior footballers to most of the contracted AFLW players, they don't have the opportunity to represent an AFL club and regularly play in televised games, not to mention the sponsorship $$$ that comes with it.

Are men being discriminated against from becoming elite footballers? There are a number of pathways to joining the AFL, and the talent pool in the men’s comp is already too wide.

The existence of a women’s comp hasn’t compromised the number of list spots in the AFL either - it’s merely created a league for women to compete in. This is the very nature of equality.

 

[Fadge]

Are men being discriminated against from becoming elite footballers? There are a number of pathways to joining the AFL, and the talent pool in the men’s comp is already too wide.

The existence of a women’s comp hasn’t compromised the number of list spots in the AFL either - it’s merely created a league for women to compete in. This is the very nature of equality.

Women are eligible to compete in the AFL if they are good enough, strong enough and fast enough.

Starting a league where only women can compete, whilst it may be considered to be promoting equality by providing a league where females can fairly compete against one other, is actually the very opposite to the literal definition of equality.

 

[La Dispute]

Women are eligible to compete in the AFL if they are good enough, strong enough and fast enough.

Starting a league where only women can compete, whilst it may be considered to be promoting equality by providing a league where females can fairly compete against one other, is actually the very opposite to the literal definition of equality.

And that advantage of being faster and stronger is the reason why women can’t compete at AFL level. It’s not a level playing field while men have an enormous biological advantage which prohibits women playing against them.

Hence a women’s league, to which women could compete against each other, was a necessary addition.

Men being better at football than women is a moot point. If we we were going to eliminate athletes on the basis of how they compared to everyone in the world there would be no female athletes.

 

[Del191229]

I think it is shit, a complete waste of money and resources and find the way it is reported and the commentary surrounding it akin to the way you'd praise a 3 year old taking his first crap on the potty. The fact it gets so much promotion and coverage is nauseating. Most of these women would be lucky to get a kick in the A7 B grade. It's just not a game designed for women. I have no problem with women playing the game but don't keep telling me it's any good or worth watching.

I reckon Jas Garner has more ability in her little finger than you have in your entire body.

 

[Del191229]

Won't be long and women won't be playing women's sport anyway. Here is the future of women's sport if the SJW's get their way:

The look on that young girls face says it all really.

Yep, I'm a big AFLW fan, but letting transgender women in, umm, nah, especially not in a contact sport.

 

[Del191229]

Assume you mean gender equality, and if so I couldn't disagree more.

Women can absolutely be better Prime Ministers, CEOs, Engineers, etc. but women are biologically different to men and therefore can never be expected to compete with them on a football field, so it will always be a vastly inferior product.

Really? Really? Vastly inferior?

Andy Murray doesn't seem to think Serena Williams achievements are "vastly inferior" does he? And they're not.

Jas Garner for example, does some things on the footy field that are as good as I've seen anyone do in the last ten years, she's just so ... fluent in the way she plays.

 

[Firestarter]

A couple of points:
1. How much attention does an elite male AFL player get when he returns to pre season training with skinfolds 2 or 3% more than they should be? They get smashed and we all hear about it. How much flak did Daniel Wells cop last year when he took to the field when he wasn't necessarily in prime condition?
2. Go down to any local game of male footy and listen to the flak an overweight player cops from their opponents and opposition supporters. As far as I'm aware it is not an offence to call someone fat, unless you're referring to a woman on a sporting field, and then you're a disgraceful body shamer.

Buttload of difference between both those points and the instances of anonymous "duhuh look at dis aint she huge hawhaw where me dole" comments just before I posted anything.