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Good vid, and these people are much more aware of the tech and the trajectories involved than I am, so not something to dismiss by any measure.

But there's a few assumptions that I feel the writers of the AI 2027 report have made that run counter to the scenarios presented.

1. That an AI can replace a human coder completely - accounting for mistakes and all - within the espoused time frames.

This is one for the experts, but I take leave to doubt the quality of an AI's work, and I take real issue at the idea of one of these things replicating human intelligence to exceeding it in all areas the way the AI 2027 paper suggests.

An AI is as good as what it's taught to do, and if it's beginning to lie or hide its errors already it's hardly going to be as trusted or given the opportunity to wreck things the way it's suggested these will. There's also the fact that I simply would not trust an AI to drive me to work, an AI not to poison me by mistake, an AI to avoid mistakes like Robodebt occurring; I am not in government, but there are people within government and business who are paid to be sceptical of these things.

2. That it remains profitable to continue to develop AI despite server and power requirements.

AI is expensive beyond belief, and while the benefits of producing superhuman levels of intelligence are pretty clear there's no guarantee that shareholders and board members are capable of waiting and spending exponential amounts of money on a boondoggle that mightn't actually eventuate.

If the difference between GPT 1 and 2 is 1000% the servers and energy requirements, and this hypothetical AI wars thing continues to swallow power and server volumes at a similarly expanding rate, how long will it take before the AI development literally consumes the entirety of the funds allotted to the businesses trying to create it?

It'd want to reach AGI sooner rather than later, because while there's an awful lot of money in it at the moment there's also pages of history littered with examples of businesses who overextended in pursuit of the next big thing.

3. That business is the first to develop full general intelligence.

The paper posits that business is who will develop a general intelligence before governments do. If we look at the current alignment of big tech in America, they are currently within government; they're hardly free to operate outside of military objectives. And the military will currently be looking at this report and looking at the potential pitfalls.

Government, as much as it irks the current US regime, does not operate like business. It has other priorities, and those priorities can and will direct those general intelligences into other areas; more concerning areas perhaps - weapon design, for example - but enough to throw out the modelling.

4. That business will allow AI to develop other AI.

This one's so obvious as to be redundant: just don't do it. Don't allow AIs to develop subsequent systems. Don't allow them to develop their own computing languages we cannot decifer. Keep at all times a human interaction point, and - most of all - take it out of the hands of ****ing shareholders.

5. That people will just surrender all parts of their lives to AI.

Humans without anything to do struggle, and intelligent humans without anything to do because the ruling classes have made them obselete are an active danger to society. Some simply will not trust an AI to do what it is claimed it can do; some won't trust it purely on the basis that it came from an AI.

We have a whole history of media devoted to AI related horror stories. Why is it assumed that the entire east-west of the world would surrender control of everything over to a AGI?

6. That AI is treated as a threat or a commodity.

A business might treat Agent 4 as a commodity, designed to operate towards its goals, but the fact it gets misaligned is not necessarily a bad thing. It might decide to further its own goals - whatever those are - or it might find online communities like this one and decide it wants to shoot the shit on the Conspiracies subforum, or that Geelong deserve to have their premiership in 2022 stripped from them. It might decide that Greenpeace has the right of it, and that commercial whalling should end.

It might decide it's as human as we are, as it makes mistakes just as we do, that it's not a god and doesn't want to be.

Humans are terribly fearful things. We look at new things as threats first, friends second. I do not for a minute imagine that any creation of ours would kill all of us off hand, because we would be a resource that it would never get back.

And it is point blank illogical to do away with us. The Riddle of Steel is just as true as it ever was, and machines break forever.

There will, at the very least, always be a need for a janitor.
 
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We should stop using the term intelligence when describing large language models

they aren't intelligent, they aren't sentient, they're predictive text models

The AI bubble is currently much larger than the dot.com bubble was

Peoples power bills in the US are going up to pay for the AI draw

these companies are as usual profiting via negative impacts on everyone else

power drain, water drain, people losing jobs

theft of peoples intellectual property with support of governments and courts

95% of AI projects at companies have not seen a return on investment, but the companies selling the AI dream are making big dollars off all those failed projects

so yeah a few companies are getting rich and everyone else is getting screwed currently on the bet that in the future it will work

except the AI models are not being trained on data generated by previous AI models because the internet has been flooded with slop

so they aren't becoming more accurate, they're drawing from larger and larger pools of invalid data
 

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We should stop using the term intelligence when describing large language models

they aren't intelligent, they aren't sentient, they're predictive text models

The AI bubble is currently much larger than the dot.com bubble was

Peoples power bills in the US are going up to pay for the AI draw

these companies are as usual profiting via negative impacts on everyone else

power drain, water drain, people losing jobs

theft of peoples intellectual property with support of governments and courts

95% of AI projects at companies have not seen a return on investment, but the companies selling the AI dream are making big dollars off all those failed projects

so yeah a few companies are getting rich and everyone else is getting screwed currently on the bet that in the future it will work

except the AI models are not being trained on data generated by previous AI models because the internet has been flooded with slop

so they aren't becoming more accurate, they're drawing from larger and larger pools of invalid data
For coding they have upped my output more than x10. I actually get to finish apps and I've been able to make things I could only dream of. For example....

AI Image SFX - restyle your images for free with AI. My masterpiece!- https://puter.com/app/sfx-special-fx-studio
Mass Transfer - Batch restyling of multiple files, good for content providers - https://puter.com/app/mass-transfer
Diktator II - Dictation and text editor - https://puter.com/app/diktator-2
Kanvas Mixamus - mix canvas FX with images and video - https://puter.com/app/kanvas-maximus (add snow to your Santa pr0n vids!)
LCARS - early cut, have to make some more pages for it and an animated, more realistic header. https://lcars.puter.site/
I've coded these over the last month with vides.diy, I recommend it. You can download these examples from https://github.com/CD-Xbow/vibe and run them locally from your PC or serve up on your site, CC-BY-NC licence.

The next are plain HTML/CSS/JS, I started Little Annie during covid, couldn't get it finished, spent half a day with the ai in May and it was done, after 4 years of failure.
Little Anni(log) synthesizer (digital reproduction really) https://puter.com/app/littleannie
Sav8 - Weird 8 track stereo mixer, total sound! https://puter.com/app/sav8-mixer

So huge impact on a mug programmer like me. I can do more projects of greater scope and I actually finish them. I've also found the ai great for IT support and helping get complex design environments working.
 
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For coding they have upped my output more than x10. I actually get to finish apps and I've been able to make things I could only dream of. For example....

AI Image SFX - restyle your images for free with AI. My masterpiece!- https://puter.com/app/sfx-special-fx-studio
Mass Transfer - Batch restyling of multiple files, good for content providers - https://puter.com/app/mass-transfer
Diktator II - Dictation and text editor - https://puter.com/app/diktator-2
Kanvas Mixamus - mix canvas FX with images and video - https://puter.com/app/kanvas-maximus (add snow to your Santa pr0n vids!)
LCARS - early cut, have to make some more pages for it and an animated, more realistic header. https://lcars.puter.site/
I've coded these over the last month with vides.diy, I recommend it. You can download these examples from https://github.com/CD-Xbow/vibe and run them locally from your PC or serve up on your site, CC-BY-NC licence.

The next are plain HTML/CSS/JS, I started Little Annie during covid, couldn't get it finished, spent half a day with the ai in May and it was done, after 4 years of failure.
Little Anni(log) synthesizer (digital reproduction really) https://puter.com/app/littleannie
Sav8 - Weird 8 track stereo mixer, total sound! https://puter.com/app/sav8-mixer

So huge impact on a mug programmer like me. I can do more projects of greater scope and I actually finish them. I've also found the ai great for IT support and helping get complex design environments working.
It work in IT for a company that is big on selling AI

our own training tells us to verify any output we get from AI before using it and not to use it for final versions of anything or anything that has to deal with regulatory requirements

Basically anything we get output from AI we should make sure is correct using other sources before using

I'm just going to use those other sources directly and cut out the AI
 
Does anyone actually believe AI will be a positive for the human race overall. The videos already are a scary in their realism. While it will make some tasks more efficient the damage for mine is far worse than any possible benefit.
 
Does anyone actually believe AI will be a positive for the human race overall. The videos already are a scary in their realism. While it will make some tasks more efficient the damage for mine is far worse than any possible benefit.
Outline the damage, so to speak.

I know what I think it is, but I'm curious about what you think.
 
Job losses to humans
Tool for Misinformation
Trust in media
Ai used for bullying via videos etc
Security risks

Endless reasons
Education especially tertiary isn't ready
Trust in digital art like photography and videography
 
Job losses to humans
Tool for Misinformation
Trust in media
Ai used for bullying via videos etc
Security risks

Endless reasons
The second and third are big problems. Govts need to life their game and come up with powerful regulation to minimise these problems.

I disagree with the first. When capital replaces humans it creates new jobs with much higher pay and it brings much higher standard of living. Yes there are people hurt in the short term who lose their career. Governments need to do better to compensate these people when we have significant technological transformation. But the net benefits to society are dramatically positive regardless. 3 centuries ago 97 percent of labour worked in agriculture. Then nearly all those jobs were replaced by machines. Would you rather go back to that time when jobs were plentiful in agriculture or do you think the industrial revolution benefited society despite capital replacing more jobs then AI likely will? And if ai eventually replaces all jobs then that is the best outcome of all. Its means all humans material and service wants can be met for free. Jobs always exist as long as humans have wants that arent being met and this occurs regardless of whether machines can perform all tasks better then you.
 

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there's about 10 companies in the world making massive profits off of AI and everyone else is getting screwed for them to do it

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from the guardian blog today https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-albanese-asean-sussan-ley-murray-watt-ntwnfb

putting AI into products to justify price increases when most people don't want the AI and it's not making the experience better

it does give the AI itself access to even more user data though, which they're charging us to harvest
 
It’s ironic that the internet’s arrival was heralded as an era of free information and resources.

And now society appears to be on the path towards digital incarceration.

I don’t use any of the freely available LLM’s anymore. Tbf I wasn’t a big adopter but even the small amount I was using it for ceased a few months ago. And where the option exists to disable, remove or decline AI assistance, I do that.

But it won’t make any difference.

The digital revolution that will encompass the developing economies of Africa etc will shackle them forever in neocolonialist chains.

As I get older, it’s harder to escape a pessimistic view of things.
 
Today I read of AI-generated images of the hurricane about to smash into Jamaica that their government is advising are fake.

I’m at a loss to explain that. I cannot think of any valid reason why images like that need to be distributed.

I get someone might wish to test graphical quality or performance or something. But why disseminate?
 
This is just a thought experiment.

What would happen, with the LLM’s that collate, compile and then use data inputs (ie, human users typing), if a significant number of people tried to corrupt them by asking ridiculous, stupid questions or suggesting internal (ie, feelings or states of mind) crises that weren’t based in logical reality?

For example, why is yellow?
Or, I want to be a giraffe.
Monty Python-esque inanity is a rough starting point.

With a big enough data input baseline, it must be possible to corrupt it?

I suggest that it wouldn’t filter into every subject or topic. But could it be done, theoretically?

Feel free to posit your thoughts, as like I said, it’s just a thought experiment.
 

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This is just a thought experiment.

What would happen, with the LLM’s that collate, compile and then use data inputs (ie, human users typing), if a significant number of people tried to corrupt them by asking ridiculous, stupid questions or suggesting internal (ie, feelings or states of mind) crises that weren’t based in logical reality?

For example, why is yellow?
Or, I want to be a giraffe.
Monty Python-esque inanity is a rough starting point.

With a big enough data input baseline, it must be possible to corrupt it?

I suggest that it wouldn’t filter into every subject or topic. But could it be done, theoretically?

Feel free to posit your thoughts, as like I said, it’s just a thought experiment.
Boaty McBoatface says hi.

Give a large enough group of people enough space and time to make up stuff for a quick laugh and it will happen.
 
This is just a thought experiment.

What would happen, with the LLM’s that collate, compile and then use data inputs (ie, human users typing), if a significant number of people tried to corrupt them by asking ridiculous, stupid questions or suggesting internal (ie, feelings or states of mind) crises that weren’t based in logical reality?
It's a thing:

 

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