List Mgmt. Aisho Going Elsewhere

[frizzle]

And Scout has never wavered on that, he has maintained Aish will select us from weeks ago

Yeah Scout is about the only source you can take to the bank.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Neil Balme says "If a player challenged the draft they would win"

 

[MarkT2]

Why would Aish nominate for the PSD?

(Why Treloar would do that either is another baffling question but let's assume there is some truth to that rumour for now)

Re Aish, do you mean as opposed to the national draft? If so:
A. Carlton make him an offer he's happy with;
B. He wants some certainty in his destination (ND - he could end up anywhere and Carlton won't take him with pick 1);
C. That's what Brisbane said they'd do - I'm not sure of the delisting rules/dates but Nick Stevens ended up in the PSD when we couldn't get the deal with Port done IIRC because he wasn't delisted before the ND.

 

[loki04]

Should we be concerned about a possible Bell-Aish trade deal being struck between Carlton and Lions?

Aish has to agree to go there and he doesn't want to.

If they send him to the draft or psd just put a huge contract on his head and declare any team other then pies picks me ill sign for year then leave.
Refuse to speak or do medicals with other teams.

They wont take the risk.

 

[MarkT2]

Neil Balme says "If a player challenged the draft they would win"

Neil Balme is in a large group of people who believe that and some of them are at the AFL. That's a large part of why we have free agency. It would be interesting to see it happen but I don't think it will.

 

[MarkT2]

Yeah, but most of the time you are wrong

Happy to see your list of these numerous occasions.

 

[loki04]

totally different situations

Yeah you're right Beams was contracted as is Bell this year.

Imo if a reasonable trade is put forward for him Lions will be dumb to play hard ball.
I understand that you guys are pissed off as we are about Freeman but at least what we offer you for Aish will be half decent. We are about to cop a no lube reeming off st.kilda.

 

[MarkT2]

Can someone please explain to me the logic behind Lethal's arguments? .....

"the concept of trading is that everyone wins", "The Brisbane Lions have pretty much a policy decision that trading your young players … you can't win. Therefore, don't trade them."

Effectively Lethal is saying no trade could ever see a win-win situation for the Lions, no matter what is offered up for Aish. So hypothetically the blues could offer up pick 1 for Aish, but this wouldn't be a win for the Lions? Please......

I see why the Lions are fed up with losing players, but Lethal's statements are illogical.

I think what he is saying is you never get offered fair value. Whether he is right or not is debatable but hypotheticals that won't happen don't change his view or the accuracy of it. The reality is they wouldn't get offered pick 1 for Aish.

 

[Kirby]

I think what he is saying is you never get offered fair value. Whether he is right or not is debatable but hypotheticals that won't happen don't change his view or the accuracy of it. The reality is they wouldn't get offered pick 1 for Aish.

I think the issue here though is that the Lions haven't been offered anything yet so how can he be certain the offer won't be fair value??

It's just a strange position to take prior to any negotiations.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I think the issue here though is that the Lions haven't been offered anything yet so how can he be certain the offer won't be fair value??

It's just a strange position to take prior to any negotiations.

It doesn't make any sense.
If by some miracle of trading we got 2 first round picks for a couple of our duds and then offered them to Brisbane for Aish, they would jump at it

So to say at this point in time "we will not trade him" is just plain stupid and false

 

[Mick39]

Balme taking pot shots at Brisbane. Gold.

 

[Hagla]

You know what.... I think you should just stop. The club needs their movements to remain quiet and your information spill could end up being quite detrimental.

Not if it continues to spill after the fact like it has on every occasion so far? I'm pretty sure his source is a newspaper...

 

[Markfs]

The AFL really is a long way behind soccer in terms of trading players. If we are going to allow players to change clubs it needs to be an easier process. Players have the right to choose where they prefer to play. It is up to the clubs to make themselves into destinations where players want to go.

Just watching an interview with Cahill in the lead up to the Socceroos game and he is basically playing in China because he has a clothing range to flog there. He is literary an advertisement.

If you allow players free choice, there are implications. The AFL competition will end up being like the Premier Division in England and similar soccer competitions around Europe, where only 3 or 4 clubs can win the championship. While I am confident this might advantage Collingwood, I wouldn't like to see the same clubs winning the premiership every year. Now I know we have just seen Hawthorn do it but the draft and the constraints on player movement and the salary cap are going to bite in the next year or two.

Second, your reference to Cahill indicates just what happens when the players are given free choice...... a complete lack of genuineness in the game of soccer and most other international sports. They call soccer a team sport but it looks more like a bunch of individuals checking into share market investors group to "work collaboratively" for self-gain... Comparisons with overseas sports are always done with the overseas sport appearing better. I think these sports have lost a lot to professionalism.... a lot. There is a bloke at my workplace who comes from Liverpool and supports them and has done so since he was a kid. I often wonder what he is supporting and I think he probably thinks the same.

I think the current free agency provides a relief-valve to allow players to move after a reasonable length of duty with a club. I also think that if a player really doesnt like it at a particular club, then the club will trade that player. We have seen that in recent years. We've come a long way since VFL days when players were refused clearances on any grounds.

 

[loki04]

Where Carlton's second pick will be before Collingwoods first.

Unless we trade up talk of 24 and 26 to Sydney for 14 they need points for academy players.

The more likely club to strike is Adelaide at 13.

In that case Carlton miss out, Lions lose and pies have Treloar to drown their sorrows over.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Unlike everyone else here, I have come to like Brisbane.

After losing their legal salary cap rort, they have been in decline.

Because of the nature of the AFL the draft guarantees high picks to poorly-performing clubs i.e. Brisbane.

Because Brisbane have a toxic culture they perform poorly.

Because of both the toxic culture and poorly performing, these high picks want to leave Brisbane.

Since Collingwood is a relatively desirable destination, Brisbane gives us an added bonus "high pick" when we can't ordinarily afford that bonus pick.

This recent Matthews statement actually aids Collingwood in the medium to long term.

Instead of breeding a strong club culture, Brisbane continue to breed a contemptible culture which endears no one to them and allows destination clubs (such as Collingwood) to pillage, plunder and ravage their best youth and picks.

I love Brisbane.

Mwah.

 

[wicksy]

I usually don't listen to you so i wont be starting now

This was never meant as a personal attack but more of a plea for you to stop trying to be "cool" and "important" around here at the expense of our club.

 

[davywap]

Aish will not come to us if he goes into the draft. I do not see this as a Luke Ball scenario. Carlton would be stupid not to take him. It is reassuring that he has nominated us as his preferred club. Shows that Oliver Buckley Cromwell hasn't chased away every potential suitor.

Please enlighten us on all of the potential suitors Ollie has chased away?

 

[brockbruiser]

I feel bad for Brisbane, they certainly seem they have lost some players over the past couple of years and understand in part their thinking to stop the mass player exodus. However I can't see how making an example of a player against his personal wishes is going to help their reputation. In the end they need to look deeper to work out why they can't retain players.

There's always going to be some sort of player exodus which is inevitable in particular the 'Go Home' factor, however I can't recall Brisbane having the same problem when they were dominating the AFL. To me their energies should be better spent on club culture, synergies around the club and making the club a desirable destination.

In terms of what Aish is worth, it's hard to say. From what I've seen he hasn't set the world on fire and being in and out of the Brisbane team this year, in particular a team that was riddled with injuries and languishing at the bottom of the ladder doesn't fill me with plenty of confidence. Personally I would be more excited with what Freeman could do as we are yet to see him yet. It's also hard to establish just how weak of a draft we are talking about, but for me a Second round pick and at most perhaps a 3rd round upgrade would be all I would be willing to part with. I think when you compare him to freeman (ie: Pick 7 Vs Pick 10.), even though he's played 30+ games I would consider them to be a similar value, with Aish being worth perhaps slightly more. I know many will disagree but Freeman is still an unknown and his burst speed is something that is highly sought after by AFL clubs, while Aish seems a mediocre AFL player.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Balme taking pot shots at Brisbane. Gold.

To be fair, Williamstown and Port Melbourne are better managed than Brisbane.

 

[Maggie5]

Balme taking pot shots at Brisbane. Gold.

Heard Balme on SEN this morning, he was very diplomatic not at all taking pot shots.
All he said he is confident things will work out.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Please enlighten us on all of the potential suitors Ollie has chased away?

All the players who want to go to other clubs.

 

[si tacuisses]

Funny how all this "inside info" is available in the press and usually the day before its released on here as "my mate at the club told me...."

#Piebeastwasright

 

[MarkT2]

I think the issue here though is that the Lions haven't been offered anything yet so how can he be certain the offer won't be fair value??

It's just a strange position to take prior to any negotiations.

I get what you are saying. I think LM was just saying he doesn't believe it ever works out to be fair value. I suspect "ever" isn't literal either but it's a position to set a principle by which is all I think he was stating. he is the ultimate pragmatist and what he says generally makes sense. I can see where he is coming from.

Obviously if we offer our first round pick for Aish they will take it but we won't do that.

In any case, much of what is said publicly is positioning for negotiations and even then LM won't make the decision.

 

[mike123]

Heard Balme on SEN this morning, he was very diplomatic not at all taking pot shots.
All he said he is confident things will work out.

Can't remember the exact words but I'm pretty sure he said something along the line of I won't be surprised of Brisbane send Aish to the psd thats their choice but not a very good one.

 

[Pendles!]

Can't remember the exact words but I'm pretty sure he said something along the line of I won't be surprised of Brisbane send Aish to the psd thats their choice but not a very good one.

"Not a great way to run your footy club"