Alien/UFO Aliens

[Strapping Young Lad]

Making contact with another intelligent life form could mean the end of the human race, no thank you.

Humans don't exactly have a good track record with meeting new races/creatures/things and living peacefully with them, aliens we contact are just as likely to be hostile as friendly.

That's assuming we haven't already made contact with them...

...or are not the product of them.


I'd like to think that if the mothership came knocking Uncle Sam would put the nukes away and play nice.

 

[blaze036]

That's assuming we haven't already made contact with them...

...or are not the product of them.


I'd like to think that if the mothership came knocking Uncle Sam would put the nukes away and play nice.

We wouldn't understand them, this would create fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to war.

If they did make contact with us there are a number of reasons why they would do it, but one of the more likely ones is a hostile takeover imo. Maybe their own planet is screwed up? maybe they need more land? or more/new minerals?

If they have the ability to find us and contact us they are likely far more technologically advanced than us and likely to crush us in open war. This is definitely a pessimistic view as it is just as plausible they come in peace and we live in beautiful harmony under the rainbows, but I don't want to take the risk.

If we contact new life I want us to be the ones finding it, likely giving us a technological advantage and the possible safety of them not knowing where our planet is if things go sour. Humans are not a race of peace, we regularly go to war with ourselves over petty differences. This is why I think peace doesn't seem too likely.

It would be amazing and terrifying if we did find life like ours, hopefully it doesn't happen anytime soon . With our current technology I think it's unlikely we will find anyone for a very long time, and of course there is the very real chance we never find them.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We wouldn't understand them, this would create fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to war.

Are you Yoda?

If they did make contact with us there are a number of reasons why they would do it, but one of the more likely ones is a hostile takeover imo. Maybe their own planet is screwed up? maybe they need more land? or more/new minerals?

They've been visiting and watching us for hundreds, probably thousands of years, according to the thousands upon thousands of sightings and stories.

Remember, world famous astronauts have told of being watching by alien spacecraft while in orbit.

I think that if they wanted us dead, we would be.

If they have the ability to find us and contact us they are likely far more technologically advanced than us and likely to crush us in open war. This is definitely a pessimistic view as it is just as plausible they come in peace and we live in beautiful harmony under the rainbows, but I don't want to take the risk.

If we contact new life I want us to be the ones finding it, likely giving us a technological advantage and the possible safety of them not knowing where our planet is if things go sour. Humans are not a race of peace, we regularly go to war with ourselves over petty differences. This is why I think peace doesn't seem too likely.

It would be amazing and terrifying if we did find life like ours, hopefully it doesn't happen anytime soon . With our current technology I think it's unlikely we will find anyone for a very long time, and of course there is the very real chance we never find them.

You worry too much.

 

[Catfish Alley]

I'd love for contact to happen myself. Would be amazing. I agree that they've been around for a long time and would have destroyed us if they wanted to. I also believe different races have visited - some hostile, some friendly. I think some of our resources would be very valuable as they are somewhat rare in the universe. Specifically gold and water.

 

[TheKanga]

So do most of you agree the government/powers that be definitely know ETs are out there and have made contact?
Do you think they are suppressing info as it would cause a global panic? Religions falling apart and riots, etc.
It would be great to see some concrete disclosure in my lifetime.

Interesting article here
http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...of-of-alien-life/story-fn5fsgyc-1226723186041

Further speculation that we might have come from outer space ourselves.

 

[Catfish Alley]

So do most of you agree the government/powers that be definitely know ETs are out there and have made contact?
Do you think they are suppressing info as it would cause a global panic? Religions falling apart and riots, etc.
It would be great to see some concrete disclosure in my lifetime.

The UK government have been releasing their UFO archives for a while now.
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

 

[pantskyle]

That's assuming we haven't already made contact with them...

...or are not the product of them.


I'd like to think that if the mothership came knocking Uncle Sam would put the nukes away and play nice.

Uncle Sam would but unhinged cousin Kim may try to cause some shit.

 

[bkozican]

Imagine a district 9 scenario.

Do I think Aliens (Et's) are real - Yes. Although I cannot be 100%, I firmly believe they are out there.

Do I think Aliens (Et's) have come into contact - Not sure. Half of me wants to say yes.........

Like many people, If we do come into contact with ET's will it be a good day or the end of human civilization as we know it.

 

[bkozican]

Of course they do.

The most interesting thing I have ever heard about aliens was this throwaway .jpg but it really got to me. It was basically detailing how the world and humans would deal with contact. And how we'd probably not refer to things as 'BC' and 'AD,' but pre and post-contact.

I remember waking up one day and my dad saying "we've got our first woman as a Prime Minister." Or hearing about Osama Bin Laden being killed when I was playing Tony Hawk. Imagine hearing "they've found Aliens" like that? It would be absolutely staggering. How would we cope? Would people go to work the next day? I mean it changes everything, it'd be the single most infatuating and engaging story ever. When would we come to terms with it and get on with life?

I personally believe that is why the government wont come out and say anything. The mindless robots that work/eat and sleep would lose their minds. I guess their is bigger things now to worry about than neighbours or home and away

 

[Druitt Soldier]

It's more a hunch, not based on much How many of those planets would be inhabitable though? And they may be more advanced, but not have figured out space travel at all. I just think that, as I mentioned before, they would be innately curious as well, we see it with most signs of life on Earth. They are innately curious, and I think they would have made contact. But it's all really speculation isn't it?

I believe that there would be a great number of planets with alien races that are more advanced than us beyond anything that we could even imagine.

Saying that I also believe that there are many planets with life that are many millions of years behind where we are.

I also think that Aliens on another planet would not look so alien. I imagine that they would more or less look like we do. WHen you think about life and evolution, for a planet to sustain life it must have very similar conditions to the ones that we have hear. With that in mind many of their plants and animals would have evolved in similar ways to what they have hear. Of course they would be different to look at but I think in general they will have many similarities to us.

 

[Catfish Alley]

WHen you think about life and evolution, for a planet to sustain life it must have very similar conditions to the ones that we have hear.

That is not necessarily true. Life has been found on Earth in environments they didn't think possible. It hasn't been found yet but there are many theories on life forms built from other elements besides carbon. Our best guess is a planet would need Earth like conditions because that is all we know. Life could exist elsewhere though.

 

[blaze036]

I believe that there would be a great number of planets with alien races that are more advanced than us beyond anything that we could even imagine.

Saying that I also believe that there are many planets with life that are many millions of years behind where we are.

I also think that Aliens on another planet would not look so alien. I imagine that they would more or less look like we do. WHen you think about life and evolution, for a planet to sustain life it must have very similar conditions to the ones that we have hear. With that in mind many of their plants and animals would have evolved in similar ways to what they have hear. Of course they would be different to look at but I think in general they will have many similarities to us.

I think when you look at the complexity and randomness of evolution the chances they look or are made similar to us is miniscule. When random evolution takes place over millions of years in different places in different conditions with almost an infinite amount of end products I think there is a 99.999% chance they would be almost totally different to us. Even on our own planet most living creatures are very different from us.

They've been visiting and watching us for hundreds, probably thousands of years, according to the thousands upon thousands of sightings and stories.

Remember, world famous astronauts have told of being watching by alien spacecraft while in orbit.

I think that if they wanted us dead, we would be.

I don't think thousands of eye witness accounts over hundreds of years is anywhere even close to enough evidence to convince me we have already made contact. Eye witness accounts are interesting but barely worth the time to listen to them.

A few reasons why eye witness accounts are basically useless -

There is a strong correlation between siting of aliens and alcoholic uneducated Americans living in some hick country town. If you were to find the % of people who "saw aliens" and were at the time drunk or on drugs I think it's naive to think it wouldn't be pretty high.

Humans are also liars. The average person lies dozens of times a day and when you can lie about aliens and potentially gain fame and money why wouldn't you lie about it?

The mind is a powerful thing. We often see what we want to see, we can imagine things. If we want to see an alien spaceship really badly, and we believe we will see one, the mind will create one. It is common when people lose a loved one that they think they saw the person recently after, this is a trick of the subconscious mind used to help with grief.

If aliens visited us, we would either all know about it or none of us would. However apparently when aliens come only a handful of folk see it . If they had the technology to get here they would have the technology to not be seen... unless they wanted to be seen, then I think they would make sure tens of millions of people saw them.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Uncle Sam would but unhinged cousin Kim may try to cause some shit.

North Korea could do bupkis.

That is not necessarily true. Life has been found on Earth in environments they didn't think possible. It hasn't been found yet but there are many theories on life forms built from other elements besides carbon. Our best guess is a planet would need Earth like conditions because that is all we know. Life could exist elsewhere though.

This is what I think. It's conceited to imagine them like us, because we only know us. I mean what's to say they exist on a gas that would be impossible for us to sense or acknowledge in any way? Maybe it's an intra-dimensional thing and they can float on it or something? Who knows.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I don't think thousands of eye witness accounts over hundreds of years is anywhere even close to enough evidence to convince me we have already made contact. Eye witness accounts are interesting but barely worth the time to listen to them.

A few reasons why eye witness accounts are basically useless -

There is a strong correlation between siting of aliens and alcoholic uneducated Americans living in some hick country town. If you were to find the % of people who "saw aliens" and were at the time drunk or on drugs I think it's naive to think it wouldn't be pretty high.

Humans are also liars. The average person lies dozens of times a day and when you can lie about aliens and potentially gain fame and money why wouldn't you lie about it?

The mind is a powerful thing. We often see what we want to see, we can imagine things. If we want to see an alien spaceship really badly, and we believe we will see one, the mind will create one. It is common when people lose a loved one that they think they saw the person recently after, this is a trick of the subconscious mind used to help with grief.

If aliens visited us, we would either all know about it or none of us would. However apparently when aliens come only a handful of folk see it . If they had the technology to get here they would have the technology to not be seen.

I'm talking about things like Puma Punku, the Nazca Lines, the astrology of the Sumerians, the Dogon tribe, though. There's enough evidence there to suggest that technologically advanced beings have made contact with humans hundreds and thousands of years ago.

 

[radiojake]

There is undoubtedly life on other planets - But whether there are other civilisations that are capable and technologically advanced enough to come visit, or whether we're freaks of nature and the harmoniums deep in the caves of Mercury are representative of most other life forms, is really impossible for us to say -

 

[radiojake]

There's enough evidence there to suggest that technologically advanced beings have made contact with humans hundreds and thousands of years ago.

The thing about this, that always comes to my mind, is why have they then stopped?

I can't help but think that the calls of "this ancient tribe/civilisation couldn't possibly have built this, must be aliens" is incredibly ethno(and time)centric - Basically a big 'heck you' to the achievements of the past, because we're so arrogant in our superiority that we can't possibly believe that ancient groups were able to produce things that we can't now understand

 

[Catfish Alley]

I can understand dismissing tales from alcoholics etc. What about the many from pilots, astronauts and government documents though?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The thing about this, that always comes to my mind, is why have they then stopped?

I can't help but think that the calls of "this ancient tribe/civilisation couldn't possibly have built this, must be aliens" is incredibly ethno(and time)centric - Basically a big 'heck you' to the achievements of the past, because we're so arrogant in our superiority that we can't possibly believe that ancient groups were able to produce things that we can't now understand

It's about lost technology, and the architecture and structures that were built at a time when most humans on this planet were struggling to bound 5 logs together to make a hut.

Meanwhile, someone had the ability to create things like this.

 

[bkozican]

I was just web browsing this topic and found this on the former Canadian defense minister.

Q. Honorable Paul Hellyer, former minister of Defense of Canada, and he believes that life forms from space are present on Earth. It’s great to have you on our show. Why do you say that UFOs are as real as airplanes flying over our heads?

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A. We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well.​

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[Dannnnnnnnnn]

First let me just preface this by saying that I think there's other life out there - not the 'cartoony humanoid' kind pop culture spits out, and probably not even in forms we understand or actively look for, but life nonetheless. However, for those who are firm believers in 'UFO sightings' being extraterrestrial, I have a question: what do they accomplish by floating in the air for a few seconds then leaving? Let's say for a moment that at least a decent amount of these UFO sightings are extraterrestrial. It's perfectly reasonable - and pretty much a necessity - to suggest that these beings are more intelligent and more technologically advanced than us, as they were able to travel to Earth and enter its atmosphere. What, then, do highly intelligent beings with unimaginable technology have to gain by spending centuries hovering over a planet for a second and then heading back home?

 

[bkozican]

 

[blaze036]

I'm talking about things like Puma Punku, the Nazca Lines, the astrology of the Sumerians, the Dogon tribe, though. There's enough evidence there to suggest that technologically advanced beings have made contact with humans hundreds and thousands of years ago.

Puma Panku is a bunch of sandstone rocks they were easily crafted by ancient workers and does not at all suggest alien intervention. If aliens traveled millions of light years to get here with technology beyond our recognition why would they spend their time sculpting some rocks .

Several myths are debunked here - http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/puma-punku/ and rock-solid explanations about how it was done without alien help are also there, dismissing that case.

Nazca lines it is a similar story. To suggest amazing feats of engineering in the past is evidence of alien intervention is slightly ridiculous imo. Just because most people in those times were stupid doesn't mean there weren't brilliant people who dedicated their life to mastering engineering before their time, and were able to create things that were truly impressive.

Does extremely impressive engineering prove aliens have visited us? Absolutely not. We even know how all these ancient structures were made and we know how very possible they were with ancient tools and many years hard labor.

The thing that baffles me the most is if super advanced aliens who can travel to earth visited us, would they really go to a west african tribe and give them a few useless pieces of astronomy knowledge? Would they really build a bunch of stones then leave?

 

[Catfish Alley]

Who knows why they would come here? Maybe they are commercial flights. Pay a couple of thousand zorks to check out a weird new planet with strange creatures. If we had the technology, I'd be up for that.

 

[blaze036]

Who knows why they would come here? Maybe they are commercial flights. Pay a couple of thousand zorks to check out a weird new planet with strange creatures. If we had the technology, I'd be up for that.

Would you also be up for spending thousands of years in a spaceship going near the speed of light to get to that weird new planet

 

[Catfish Alley]

Would you also be up for spending thousands of years in a spaceship going near the speed of light to get to that weird new planet

Nope. Do you know that their technology would be limited in that way though?