Angus Monfries

[monty1104]

I know we are only 5 games into the year, but pre-season, most people, including me, were talking up how good Gus was going to be this year. He hasnt had a standout game, and has really looked to struggle to get into games at times. Is there an injury concern or is he just out of form ATM. Whatever it is I hope he steps up in the next couple of weeks. Just thought I would mention it because he has escaped criticism thus far this season, when in my mind he hasnt really done anything to keep his spot. Mind you he hasnt done anything to warrant a drop to the VFL either, but if he doesnt step up soon, then it might happen, especially with Jetta, Hislop, Reimers, Lonergan and Houli waiting in the wings.

 

[Nt Bomber]

I know we are only 5 games into the year, but pre-season, most people, including me, were talking up how good Gus was going to be this year. He hasnt had a standout game, and has really looked to struggle to get into games at times. Is there an injury concern or is he just out of form ATM. Whatever it is I hope he steps up in the next couple of weeks. Just thought I would mention it because he has escaped criticism thus far this season, when in my mind he hasnt really done anything to keep his spot. Mind you he hasnt done anything to warrant a drop to the VFL either, but if he doesnt step up soon, then it might happen, especially with Jetta, Hislop, Reimers, Lonergan and Houli waiting in the wings.

Wouldnt mind seeing him get a run at the centre bounces. Only small but throws his body in. With the umpiring these days would probably pick up a few free kicks.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

He's been trying pretty hard, has given 110% and his disposal has been great. I think he should get more of a run in the midfield, he does go missing at times, but i thought it was because he plays off the bench? How much game time did he get against Collingwood, anyone know?

 

[monty1104]

74 % game time, 12 touches, 58% effectiveness. Worse than Dyson's 55% game time, 10 touches and 80% effectiveness. Yet Dyson is under the hammer and Monfries has escaped scrutiny. Don't get me wrong, Monfries will always get a game before Dyson, but he must do more if he wants to really stamp himself as the AFL plyer we know he can be.

 

[BurnleyBomber]

Well those stats don't lie. I'm a huge fan of Gus but Dyson has been unfairly critisized IMO. Gus should be scrutinized before Dyson.

 

[ant555]

74 % game time, 12 touches, 58% effectiveness. Worse than Dyson's 55% game time, 10 touches and 80% effectiveness. Yet Dyson is under the hammer and Monfries has escaped scrutiny. Don't get me wrong, Monfries will always get a game before Dyson, but he must do more if he wants to really stamp himself as the AFL plyer we know he can be.

Agree has too much quiet time during games. Does a few good things and then you dont see him for 10 minutes.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

74 % game time, 12 touches, 58% effectiveness. Worse than Dyson's 55% game time, 10 touches and 80% effectiveness. Yet Dyson is under the hammer and Monfries has escaped scrutiny. Don't get me wrong, Monfries will always get a game before Dyson, but he must do more if he wants to really stamp himself as the AFL plyer we know he can be.

Thanx Donsman, that is just truly amazing, everytime i see Monfries with the ball he usually does something good with it. Im just in disbelief about those stats, Could the reason be that Dyson's disposal is more effective is because he goes with safe chip kicks and Monfries doesnt? Do you know the percentage of clangers they have each had?

 

[monty1104]

Interestingly, Dyson had 2 clanger possesions out of his 10, which accounted to the 20% ineffectiveness. Monfries had none, yet was less effective.

I cant seem to find any stats regarding the clangers over their careers, but i found a nice stat that seems to contradict the theory that Dyson is soft. He has gone from 0.8 tackles a game in 2004, to 2.3 tackles a game this year.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

Interestingly, Dyson had 2 clanger possesions out of his 10, which accounted to the 20% ineffectiveness. Monfries had none, yet was less effective.

I cant seem to find any stats regarding the clangers over their careers, but i found a nice stat that seems to contradict the theory that Dyson is soft. He has gone from 0.8 tackles a game in 2004, to 2.3 tackles a game this year.

See, thats what i was thinking, Monfries probably kicks long to contests alot and the ball just spills to ground, where as Dyson would chip kick (effective), but when he is forced to actullay kick to someone on the lead or hit a target, he cant do it as well as Monfries which leads to a few clangers. I didn't know people have been saying he was soft, i myself dont expect many tackles from him because he's an outside midfielder, i don't really think he's soft.

 

[ant555]

Interestingly, Dyson had 2 clanger possesions out of his 10, which accounted to the 20% ineffectiveness. Monfries had none, yet was less effective.

I cant seem to find any stats regarding the clangers over their careers, but i found a nice stat that seems to contradict the theory that Dyson is soft. He has gone from 0.8 tackles a game in 2004, to 2.3 tackles a game this year.

Cant help you with the exact clangers but i can give you this

Ricky Dyson
Kicking effiency
2004 77.4% av 4.8 kicks
2005 71.4% av 9.1 kicks
2006 75.8% av 7.3 kicks
Handball efficiency
2004 83.3% av 2.7 hanballs
2005 76.3% av 4.4 hanballs
2006 86% av 5.9 hanballs

Angus Monfries
Kicking effeciency
2005 79.7% av 4.9 kicks
2006 76.4% av 8.3
Handball efficency
2005 65.5% av 4.8 hanballs
2006 84% av 6.0 hanballs

Not sure if soft is the word for Ricky. Indecisive is what i would call it. Insted of backing himself all the time he often gets caught floating along wondering if he should go to the contest , run to space or pick up a man. Often when he finally makes the decison he ends up being in no mans land which makes him look soft or like he isnt trying.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

Not sure if soft is the word for Ricky. Indecisive is what i would call it. Insted of backing himself all the time he often gets caught floating along wondering if he should go to the contest , run to space or pick up a man. Often when he finally makes the decison he ends up being in no mans land which makes him look soft or like he isnt trying.

I never really reallised it until you said it, but your spot on about it.

 

[ant555]

The real frightning thing about all these stats is Bradley's kicking efficency for 2005 and 2006 was 84.7 and 81.1 with an average of 7.2 and 7.8 kicks

 

[Crave]

For the position he plays, he's under no real genuine threat right now. Dyson, on the other hand, for the position he's vying for....he's well below expectations given his experience.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

The real frightning thing about all these stats is Bradley's kicking efficency for 2005 and 2006 was 84.7 and 81.1 with an average of 7.2 and 7.8 kicks

To be honest I always thought Bradley was quite good with his kicking in terms of hitting targets.

It just looks really awkward and loops up a bit.

As for the Dyson v Angus argument..... Angus is so far in front of Dyson it's not funny. No need to even look or compare any stats.

 

[GmeUP]

74 % game time, 12 touches, 58% effectiveness. Worse than Dyson's 55% game time, 10 touches and 80% effectiveness. Yet Dyson is under the hammer and Monfries has escaped scrutiny. Don't get me wrong, Monfries will always get a game before Dyson, but he must do more if he wants to really stamp himself as the AFL plyer we know he can be.

hmmm those stats don't seem to do his game justice any idea where I can findout Daveys stats for the match? I know he had similar touches but game time and effectiveness would be good.

 

[Darealrath]

He seems to rely on taking marks for too many of his possessions.

 

[monty1104]

hmmm those stats don't seem to do his game justice any idea where I can findout Daveys stats for the match? I know he had similar touches but game time and effectiveness would be good.

Ive just been getting most of my stuff out of thursdays paper. Its in recycling now, but IIRC, Davey had about 12 touches, 3 of which were clangers. e had around 80% game time i think, maybe more.

 

[clogwearer]

They all play a better game of footy than I ever did.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

monfries is a very dangerous player some teams have really targetted him as a playmaker for us and dealt him with respect i remember the commentators saying in the carlton and stkilda games that he was being harrassed by multiple players and stkilda played Steven Baker on him who is their number 1 tagger, he really just needs a solid run in the midfield

 

[GusIsBack]

As you can tell by my name I'm a huge fan of Gus, and I've followed his progress over the pre-season. I heard all the interviews and read all the reports... and in many of them the staff stated that he would be getting time in the midfield this year so that he can take his game to the next level. After 5 rounds I'd be surprised to hear that he's got more than 10 mins in the midfield this year.

He's a good in-and-under player and a good tackler... I think his good effort and workrate can really help the team out in the midfield, and last wednesday would've been the perfect time to give him some minutes in the centre.

With the tall forwards we have now in Lloyd, Lucas and Johns. It's hard for the little guy to find too much of it... especially with the speed of Jetta, Davey and Lovett going round atm.

The fact is, playing as a small forward there's only so much one can do.

 

[donsman]

Wouldnt mind seeing him get a run at the centre bounces. Only small but throws his body in. With the umpiring these days would probably pick up a few free kicks.

Totally agree with you on this one. I'd really like to see gus being thrown into the middle. Hard at it, quick, footy smarts and great disposal. I just think he's ready to step up and be given greater responsibility as he has had 3 pre-seasons at the club now. He's more then capable of playing at least 50% of the game on the ball

 

[Bombs Away]

Monfries has played predominantly as a forward pocket, hff with bits in the midfield. Dyson has played nearly all game time on the wing, similar type players but monfries is tougher at the ball and a bit quicker. Monfries will also be at the club in 5 years whilst dyson needs to show something shortly with the midfield options breathing down his back.

 

[monty1104]

I agree, I just feel Monfries needs more time in the midfield, because he can't really get into the game ATM when he is statoned up forward for the majority of the game.

 

[Slattery_20]

Monfries has played predominantly as a forward pocket, hff with bits in the midfield. Dyson has played nearly all game time on the wing, similar type players but monfries is tougher at the ball and a bit quicker. Monfries will also be at the club in 5 years whilst dyson needs to show something shortly with the midfield options breathing down his back.

Are you thinking of the same Dyson as me?
Dyson the long kicking, speedy wingman who looks a bit lost at times and appears not to be making any progress, and Monfries the nuggety in-and-under player directing traffic into the forward 50.

 

[KING-JAMES]

Monfries will learn to battle the tag soon and become a much better player for it. He has been recognised as an insipiring, leader type player so is getting pretty heavily targeted and hit hard at every chance. Next year will be the one he really goes the next step in the midfield, this one getting ready for it and to keep creating goals for us.

Gus will be a star