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Amy Remeikis makes some telling points about the Liberal and National Parties blaming Anthony Albanese for the events last Sunday and why using a massacre for political opportunitism represents a huge shift in the way our political leaders once behaved:

Never before has there been an opposition that has blamed a government for an act of terror and mass murder. Before Sunday, the rule for both major political parties was to place national unity ahead of any political gain.

In modern political history, Labor has been in opposition when Australia has experienced these nation-shaking acts. It has, in response, held firm to whatever line the Coalition government of the day was promoting.

This included in 1996, when Labor immediately pledged support for the Howard government’s gun laws; 2002, when then-Labor leader Simon Crean travelled with John Howard to Indonesia after the Bali bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

In 2005, Kim Beazley followed Howard’s denial of reality and refused to label the Cronulla race riots as “racist”, as Howard had immediately responded by saying “I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country. I have always taken a more optimistic view of the character of the Australian people”. The thinking at the time was that political unity was more important than sparking a political fight. Even if it meant denying an all-too-obvious reality.

After the 2014 Lindt Cafe siege, where two of the 18 hostages held by Man Haron Monis were killed after a 16-hour stand-off with police, Bill Shorten gave full support to Tony Abbott.

In 2019, when a right-wing Australian extremist murdered 51 Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand, Labor did not jump to question the government’s inaction on what had been growing security agency concerns about the right-wing threat in Australia.

Never has there been a time where politics has been played so blatantly, so openly at the expense of a terrified, traumatised community and the wider nation at large.


Howard, Morrison, Abbott, Frydenberg, Ley, Joyce, Hanson, Littleproud, McKenzie...the whole gang have jumped on a divisive bandwagon using a terrorist event for political gain. It has never happened before. They know it will inflame anger and hatred in certain parts of our community. It tears at the very fabric of our society.
 
Amy Remeikis makes some telling points about the Liberal and National Parties blaming Anthony Albanese for the events last Sunday and why using a massacre for political opportunitism represents a huge shift in the way our political leaders once behaved:

Never before has there been an opposition that has blamed a government for an act of terror and mass murder. Before Sunday, the rule for both major political parties was to place national unity ahead of any political gain.

In modern political history, Labor has been in opposition when Australia has experienced these nation-shaking acts. It has, in response, held firm to whatever line the Coalition government of the day was promoting.

This included in 1996, when Labor immediately pledged support for the Howard government’s gun laws; 2002, when then-Labor leader Simon Crean travelled with John Howard to Indonesia after the Bali bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

In 2005, Kim Beazley followed Howard’s denial of reality and refused to label the Cronulla race riots as “racist”, as Howard had immediately responded by saying “I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country. I have always taken a more optimistic view of the character of the Australian people”. The thinking at the time was that political unity was more important than sparking a political fight. Even if it meant denying an all-too-obvious reality.

After the 2014 Lindt Cafe siege, where two of the 18 hostages held by Man Haron Monis were killed after a 16-hour stand-off with police, Bill Shorten gave full support to Tony Abbott.

In 2019, when a right-wing Australian extremist murdered 51 Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand, Labor did not jump to question the government’s inaction on what had been growing security agency concerns about the right-wing threat in Australia.

Never has there been a time where politics has been played so blatantly, so openly at the expense of a terrified, traumatised community and the wider nation at large.


Howard, Morrison, Abbott, Frydenberg, Ley, Joyce, Hanson, Littleproud, McKenzie...the whole gang have jumped on a divisive bandwagon using a terrorist event for political gain. It has never happened before. They know it will inflame anger and hatred in certain parts of our community. It tears at the very fabric of our society.
Even when there have been overseas attacks on Australians ( Bali Bombings ) , we haven't seen our government speak out against the other countries government. Almost as if they weren't too stupid to realize that the Terrorists were winning if they did.
 
Albanese needs 25 people escorting him just to get in and out of public memorial?
Wrapped in a security bubble meanwhile lecturing the country about safety.

Are you implying that the right wingers are violent?
 
No way that would be dumb move by Labor, Albanese is a lot more likeable than Jim Chalmers or Marles
Theres no real need for labor to do anything leadership wise.
Just actually do their jobs better
Sadly that's true. But it's a low bar :(
 

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But recognising the rights of indigenous Australians in the most minimal sense was somehow a threat to Australia's constitution and "our" way of life mere moths ago.

But now the only way acceptable way to combat anti-semitism in Australia is to complete transform how the nation proceeds with everything from education and academia, to media and broadcasting at the vehest of an unelected official, coz reasons? But not minor reforms to gun control of course.
Interesting stats to consider;

Jewish peoples make up 0.46% of Australia's population.
Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders make up 3.8% of Australia's population.

It was completely unacceptable for aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders to get "special treatment". The Liberal Party opposed a referendum for precisely that reason.

Yet here are those same Liberals insisting that 0.46% of Australians get "special treatment".

Can't help but think this is white supremacy - again - by the Liberals.

Ultimately this will be a number game - Albanese will be fine. Howard's "doctors wives' would be horrified by events of the last week from the Liberals.
 
Amy Remeikis makes some telling points about the Liberal and National Parties blaming Anthony Albanese for the events last Sunday and why using a massacre for political opportunitism represents a huge shift in the way our political leaders once behaved:

Never before has there been an opposition that has blamed a government for an act of terror and mass murder. Before Sunday, the rule for both major political parties was to place national unity ahead of any political gain.

In modern political history, Labor has been in opposition when Australia has experienced these nation-shaking acts. It has, in response, held firm to whatever line the Coalition government of the day was promoting.

This included in 1996, when Labor immediately pledged support for the Howard government’s gun laws; 2002, when then-Labor leader Simon Crean travelled with John Howard to Indonesia after the Bali bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

In 2005, Kim Beazley followed Howard’s denial of reality and refused to label the Cronulla race riots as “racist”, as Howard had immediately responded by saying “I do not accept that there is underlying racism in this country. I have always taken a more optimistic view of the character of the Australian people”. The thinking at the time was that political unity was more important than sparking a political fight. Even if it meant denying an all-too-obvious reality.

After the 2014 Lindt Cafe siege, where two of the 18 hostages held by Man Haron Monis were killed after a 16-hour stand-off with police, Bill Shorten gave full support to Tony Abbott.

In 2019, when a right-wing Australian extremist murdered 51 Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand, Labor did not jump to question the government’s inaction on what had been growing security agency concerns about the right-wing threat in Australia.

Never has there been a time where politics has been played so blatantly, so openly at the expense of a terrified, traumatised community and the wider nation at large.


Howard, Morrison, Abbott, Frydenberg, Ley, Joyce, Hanson, Littleproud, McKenzie...the whole gang have jumped on a divisive bandwagon using a terrorist event for political gain. It has never happened before. They know it will inflame anger and hatred in certain parts of our community. It tears at the very fabric of our society.
Division is their game plan.
 
Interesting stats to consider;

Jewish peoples make up 0.46% of Australia's population.
Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders make up 3.8% of Australia's population.

It was completely unacceptable for aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders to get "special treatment". The Liberal Party opposed a referendum for precisely that reason.

Yet here are those same Liberals insisting that 0.46% of Australians get "special treatment".

Can't help but think this is white supremacy - again - by the Liberals.

Ultimately this will be a number game - Albanese will be fine. Howard's "doctors wives' would be horrified by events of the last week from the Liberals.

If i say anything, i get attacked. But trying to turn this into a racism contest is kind of silly.

No one has ever ever ever ever ever suggest writing anything about Jews into the constitution.
40% of Australians wanted the Voice, so no , it was not completely unacceptable. It was totally accepted by a huge number of Australians.

If it had been an Aboriginal festival attacked last week, then yes, it would be all about Aboriginals.
 
FMD what a beat up.


For starters, who remembers this supposedly “defining image” of Howard embracing the surgeon after Port Arthur? I’ve never seen it before in my life.

I’ll say it again, the overwhelming majority of Australians are not antisemitic, but if Albanese’s opponents think this relentless campaign of him being soft on antisemitism is a big vote winner, I think they’re going to be very very disappointed.
Proven at last election. It was an attack front by lnp
 
albo is a captive of the zionists. the appointment of an active zionist as envoy should have set off the alarm bells. do better.

 
Michell Grattan today - "without doubt, the massacre is the horrific culmination of the antisemitism epidemic that has spread like a wildfire in Australia.

The prime minister and his government are experiencing a strong backlash, at home and from Israel, for what critics see an inadequate approach combating the crisis that has broken out over these past two years."


 
If i say anything, i get attacked. But trying to turn this into a racism contest is kind of silly.

No one has ever ever ever ever ever suggest writing anything about Jews into the constitution.
40% of Australians wanted the Voice, so no , it was not completely unacceptable. It was totally accepted by a huge number of Australians.

If it had been an Aboriginal festival attacked last week, then yes, it would be all about Aboriginals.
There was an aboriginal camp attacked about two months ago and the media largely ignored it. The Liberals certainly ignored it :rolleyes:

Antisemitism is rising and it would be great if this can be reversed. Given the abhorrent behaviour that is happening all over the world this probably is not going to happen anytime soon though.

To be clear on my position I am not saying everyone highlighting the issue of antisemitism is racist.

However, in reference to the Liberal party specifically before Morrison was PM "Several unnamed colleagues claimed that Morrison suggested capitalizing on community concerns about "Muslim immigration," "Muslims in Australia," and their "inability" to integrate" and there is absolutely nothing to suggest the Liberals generally do not agree with this still.

And of course Pauline Hansen wore a burka to parliament only recently to flare tensions for no particular reason.

If you can tell me why the Liberal's and Liberal Media are positioning themselves to unconditionally support Israel I am all ears? It makes no sense to me.
 

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There was an aboriginal camp attacked about two months ago and the media largely ignored it. The Liberals certainly ignored it :rolleyes:

Antisemitism is rising and it would be great if this can be reversed. Given the abhorrent behaviour that is happening all over the world this probably is not going to happen anytime soon though.

To be clear on my position I am not saying everyone highlighting the issue of antisemitism is racist.

However, in reference to the Liberal party specifically before Morrison was PM "Several unnamed colleagues claimed that Morrison suggested capitalizing on community concerns about "Muslim immigration," "Muslims in Australia," and their "inability" to integrate" and there is absolutely nothing to suggest the Liberals generally do not agree with this still.

And of course Pauline Hansen wore a burka to parliament only recently to flare tensions for no particular reason.

If you can tell me why the Liberal's and Liberal Media are positioning themselves to unconditionally support Israel I am all ears? It makes no sense to me.

Where i work, the CEO , now retired , was Jewish , though i suspect he wasn't practicing much outside of weddings , funerals, etc. Still he had a name means he couldn't avoid the association. I don't think we have Muslims, but we have in the past. We have a couple of Turks German working here ( German owned company ), no Aboriginal's but my future son in law was working here a while and his dad was Aboriginal. ....no one really giving a shit which is the way i like it. I mean shit....they are all people.

Mate of mine was telling me that they had to put in a prayer room where he works, because 2 Muslims wanted it, which seems kind of a pain in the arse.
 
What specific things do you want the government to do about anti-semitism that haven't already done?

Now? Or in hindsight?

The parallel to Bondi is Port Arthur. We are lucky that we have just two mass shootings in 30 years, but that's still two too many.

In the lead up to Port Arthur was gun control a topical issue? I don't remember it being so but I was 11, and there were changes to gun laws in the early 90s. In Australia, gun control typically only makes it into the news if there are changes that upset a lobby group or there is a tragedy. Again we are lucky that outside rural areas guns typically play a small part in society. Living in a cap city it's never been on my radar to own one nor do I think every other person I pass in the street is carrying. In the case of a tragedy like Port Arthur you can make the cases that the perpetrator in his mental state should not have had access to firearms and the type of firearms he had shouldn't be legal full stop, but it was a random attack.

In the lead up to Bondi how many warnings were there about the rise of antisemitism? The NSW premier wants to classify the chant "globalise the intifada" as hate speech. Yeah maybe you should've done that two years ago. When you have crowds of people chanting "**** the Jews" outside the Sydney Opera House, maybe you need to acknowledge how serious the problem is, immediately. Govts at all levels have let this shit fester for two years. Antisemitic sentiments have been normalised more in the last two years than at any point in my lifetime. A lot of people played a part in that. Some loudly, some quietly, some inadvertently.

Darebin Council just did this:

In December 2023 Council decided to raise the Palestinian Flag as a gesture of solidarity with the people of Palestine and all those affected by the conflict, in Darebin and beyond. There have been a variety of views in the community about the ongoing flying of this flag and the recent attack on the Australian Jewish community in Bondi has led to confusion about what the flag
symbolises.

Council has an opportunity to maintain its strong and visible commitment to peace in a way that reduces misinterpretation and ambiguity by adopting the Peace Flag as a symbol that applies universally.


Maybe, just maybe, local councils should stick to collecting bins and stay out of global conflicts. They are playing the "Oh we didn't know" card. Really? ****ing really? A lot of weak people hiding behind "Not all Muslims" and "Not all protestors" at the moment. Once again to paraphrase the DV campaign that is running, not all disrespect leads to violence but all violence starts with disrespect. If people really want to go down the "not all" path when why is Albo so concerned about "right wing extremism"? If 99.9% of right wing extremists are law abiding does that make it OK?

At the end of the day antisemitism is just one issue that govts are actually prepared to acknowledge. The Jewish community will be targeted again. There will be more and more frequent Islamic terrorist attacks. But hey farmer Joe in Salmon Gums might be inconvenienced so problem solved.

The opposition don't actually have a job.

Do we live in a one party state now?
 
The council issue goes back to people getting into politics and driving their agenda.

Agree that council should just focus on roads, garbage and keeping their rates low.
But instead they love going on side conquests, like jet setting off overseas and creating sister cities so they can approve junkets.

Councils - Happy holidays - rather than merry Christmas.


MCG - boxing day test - will have specialist police armed with semi automatic weapons.....thats new...
 

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Now? Or in hindsight?

The parallel to Bondi is Port Arthur. We are lucky that we have just two mass shootings in 30 years, but that's still two too many.

In the lead up to Port Arthur was gun control a topical issue? I don't remember it being so but I was 11, and there were changes to gun laws in the early 90s. In Australia, gun control typically only makes it into the news if there are changes that upset a lobby group or there is a tragedy. Again we are lucky that outside rural areas guns typically play a small part in society. Living in a cap city it's never been on my radar to own one nor do I think every other person I pass in the street is carrying. In the case of a tragedy like Port Arthur you can make the cases that the perpetrator in his mental state should not have had access to firearms and the type of firearms he had shouldn't be legal full stop, but it was a random attack.

In the lead up to Bondi how many warnings were there about the rise of antisemitism? The NSW premier wants to classify the chant "globalise the intifada" as hate speech. Yeah maybe you should've done that two years ago. When you have crowds of people chanting "**** the Jews" outside the Sydney Opera House, maybe you need to acknowledge how serious the problem is, immediately. Govts at all levels have let this shit fester for two years. Antisemitic sentiments have been normalised more in the last two years than at any point in my lifetime. A lot of people played a part in that. Some loudly, some quietly, some inadvertently.

Darebin Council just did this:




Maybe, just maybe, local councils should stick to collecting bins and stay out of global conflicts. They are playing the "Oh we didn't know" card. Really? ****ing really? A lot of weak people hiding behind "Not all Muslims" and "Not all protestors" at the moment. Once again to paraphrase the DV campaign that is running, not all disrespect leads to violence but all violence starts with disrespect. If people really want to go down the "not all" path when why is Albo so concerned about "right wing extremism"? If 99.9% of right wing extremists are law abiding does that make it OK?

At the end of the day antisemitism is just one issue that govts are actually prepared to acknowledge. The Jewish community will be targeted again. There will be more and more frequent Islamic terrorist attacks. But hey farmer Joe in Salmon Gums might be inconvenienced so problem solved.



Do we live in a one party state now?

Each MP has a job. That job doesn't include being an "opposition". They do all that for shits and giggles, and hope that after the next election they won't be opposition.

WAIT I'M WRONG.
  • Shadow Minister Loading: Shadow Ministers receive an additional 25% of the base MP salary.
Hell who came up with that. They get 25% pay rise just for hanging shit on the boss.
 
Interesting that you equate the two. Personally I don't see how a minor financial / technical error equates to loss of lives of 16 people. My wife was a victim of robodebt, I can guarantee you I am grateful she suffered that government failure and not the one on the weekend. I guess you just don't value Australian lives or safety as much as you do tax office demands?

Robodebt was anything but minor, that was a cold calculated move to appease the "dole bludgers are scum, I work hard crowd". It used unlawful debt calculation (yes unlawful), it completely reversed burden of proof (though both Libs and Labor do this with the ATO), it had **** all oversight and no one had accountability for the whole shitfest, the Lib's actually had their own legal team advise against it but still went ahead. **** I could go on.

This (supposed automated) scheme seriously ****ed up a lot of lives, the majority of them vulnerable with no idea on what legal recourse they had (because they couldn't afford it).

Every minister who had so much of an email in concern to Robodebt should be interrogated to the hilt and quite frankly the senior ministers should be in jail.

Pink Batts was bad, this was deadset ****ing criminal preying on the weakest in Australia's society.

Oh and eventually 1.7bill was paid out, that ain't minor (and still not enough)
 
Each MP has a job. That job doesn't include being an "opposition". They do all that for shits and giggles, and hope that after the next election they won't be opposition.

WAIT I'M WRONG.
  • Shadow Minister Loading: Shadow Ministers receive an additional 25% of the base MP salary.
Hell who came up with that. They get 25% pay rise just for hanging shit on the boss.
I imagine it's there, so they can learn the portfolio and ask thorough questions of the Minister.
And then if they form government next election, would be skilled enough to handle the actual portfolio.
 
Now? Or in hindsight?

The parallel to Bondi is Port Arthur. We are lucky that we have just two mass shootings in 30 years, but that's still two too many.

In the lead up to Port Arthur was gun control a topical issue? I don't remember it being so but I was 11, and there were changes to gun laws in the early 90s. In Australia, gun control typically only makes it into the news if there are changes that upset a lobby group or there is a tragedy. Again we are lucky that outside rural areas guns typically play a small part in society. Living in a cap city it's never been on my radar to own one nor do I think every other person I pass in the street is carrying. In the case of a tragedy like Port Arthur you can make the cases that the perpetrator in his mental state should not have had access to firearms and the type of firearms he had shouldn't be legal full stop, but it was a random attack.

In the lead up to Bondi how many warnings were there about the rise of antisemitism? The NSW premier wants to classify the chant "globalise the intifada" as hate speech. Yeah maybe you should've done that two years ago. When you have crowds of people chanting "**** the Jews" outside the Sydney Opera House, maybe you need to acknowledge how serious the problem is, immediately. Govts at all levels have let this shit fester for two years. Antisemitic sentiments have been normalised more in the last two years than at any point in my lifetime. A lot of people played a part in that. Some loudly, some quietly, some inadvertently.

Darebin Council just did this:


Maybe, just maybe, local councils should stick to collecting bins and stay out of global conflicts. They are playing the "Oh we didn't know" card. Really? ****ing really? A lot of weak people hiding behind "Not all Muslims" and "Not all protestors" at the moment. Once again to paraphrase the DV campaign that is running, not all disrespect leads to violence but all violence starts with disrespect. If people really want to go down the "not all" path when why is Albo so concerned about "right wing extremism"? If 99.9% of right wing extremists are law abiding does that make it OK?

At the end of the day antisemitism is just one issue that govts are actually prepared to acknowledge. The Jewish community will be targeted again. There will be more and more frequent Islamic terrorist attacks. But hey farmer Joe in Salmon Gums might be inconvenienced so problem solved.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is wrt Port Arthur and gun control, but I do believe that the lapse in gun control over the past few years was one of if not the key reason that this tragedy occured. There had already been several tragic shootings in the lead up to suggest that people on the fringe were ahold of guns and willing to use them. See Dezi Freemen, the Wieambilla shootings, etc. These were also terrorist acts. Experts had warned that our gun laws were getting lax at these moments and little was done.

But my question was about what specifically the government should be doing about anti-semitism. On the topic of the chants outside the opera house.

Both Albanese and Penny Wong condemned that at the time:


I would also put to you that the government has actually done several things to combat anti-semitism before this attack such as:

You might think that these measures are not enough, but I would argue that combatting deep-seeded hatreds and attitudes is actually quite difficult and can't be achieved by a single government in a couple of years. It's actually quite hard to control what people think and believe. Especially if you are trying to change their minds.

On the topic of the Darebin council, I basically agree that councils shouldn't really be dipping their toes into issues like that. Councils are pretty much made up of local busybodies and NIMBY's who outgrew moderating their local neighborhood facebook page. So yes, they will do some dumb things from time to time. That being said I don't really conflate the palestinian flag with anti-semitism in the same way that I believe there is a very clear distinction between jewish people and the government and military of Israel.
 
If they enforced the existing laws they could have taken guns off dad when son added to the ASIO watchlist.
As I said, lax gun controls are one of the key reasons this occured. Failures of law enforcement is the other big one.
 

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