Are West Coast the worst team since Fitzroy 1996?

[Yellow Feathers]

Be West Coast. Trade your top draft picks for experienced players. Then turn around and say “look at our list, we have no top 10 picks, we need a priority pick”. Profit.

 

[sabso]

No. They should change their name to West Gold Coast. Or the Eagle Suns. Or Suns of Eagles. Or the West Gold Coast of Eagle Suns.

They can keep the stupid all caps branding and call themselves the Gold Coast EAGLES.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Be West Coast. Trade your top draft picks for experienced players. Then turn around and say “look at our list, we have no top 10 picks, we need a priority pick”. Profit.

The club has in no way done that...

 

[Purple Suit]

They should merge with Gold Coast and be known as Gold Coast. They can keep the Coast word

Your new strip already looks like them.

 

[Le RickyBobby]

It does make your opinion less than mine when you state objectively wrong things.

I guess everyone else in this thread is also objectively wrong as well.

There's not player you could trade from that list aside from Reid.

 

[Shueygod]

I guess everyone else in this thread is also objectively wrong as well.

There's not player you could trade from that list aside from Reid.

Saying Hough doesn’t have AFL athleticism is objectively wrong. No one else in this thread has made such statements.

That’s very funny.

 

[sabso]

Saying Hough doesn’t have AFL athleticism is objectively wrong. No one else in this thread has made such statements.

That’s very funny.

 

[Le RickyBobby]

Saying Hough doesn’t have AFL athleticism is objectively wrong. No one else in this thread has made such statements.

That’s very funny.

If you go back and read it you'll see there's a key word you're leaving out.

What's funny is you get so defensive about players in your team that are clearly not at AFL standard. Or else why would there be a thread called are West coast the worst team since Fitzroy?

If you think Brady Hough is a key player in your team or future you're in trouble.

 

[Le RickyBobby]

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So you can add lack of awareness to he's AFL traits.

 

[Shueygod]

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A good chase down, adds nothing to the discussion though. Hough objectively has above average athleticism in the AFL.

If you go back and read it you'll see there's a key word you're leaving out.

What's funny is you get so defensive about players in your team that are clearly not at AFL standard. Or else why would there be a thread called are West coast the worst team since Fitzroy?

If you think Brady Hough is a key player in your team or future you're in trouble.

Brady Hough at worst projects to be a good player, weird hill to die on.

How does a player clearly not afl standard have coaches votes this season?

 

[Le RickyBobby]

A good chase down, adds nothing to the discussion though. Hough objectively has above average athleticism in the AFL.



Brady Hough at worst projects to be a good player, weird hill to die on.

How does a player clearly not afl standard have coaches votes this season?

Good player in the worst team since Fitzroy I could get behind. He's not getting a game reguarly anywhere else.

 

[Daka]

So you can add lack of awareness to he's AFL traits.

Gross has that same lack of awareness.

 

[Roylion]

The answer is yes, they are the worst team since Fitzroy 1996. Fitzroy were bad for 3 seasons, 94 - 96 and it would have been really hard to put in during the last part with the club folding.

Games 66 Wins - 8 Losses - 58 Win % = 12.12%

Current WC team for the past 4 seasons

Games 86 Wins - 11 Losses - 75 Win % = 12.79%

If they don't win a game for the rest of the year they go past them and their record is worse for longer.

When defining the "worse since....." why not use Melbourne's five seasons from 2011-2015 where they won 27 matches in five seasons between 2011 and 2015, with a win percentage of 24.5? (2011 - 8 games, 2012 - 4 games, 2013 - 2, 2014 - 4, 2015 - 7).

Fitzroy won 27 games in their last 5 years in the AFL equating to a win percentage of 25% over that five-year period.

Gold Coast won 28 matches in their first five seasons.

Including this season, West Coast have won 21 games since the start of 2021. (2021 - 10 games, 2022 - 2, 2023 - 3, 2024 - 5, 2025 - 1) Even if West Coast won all their remaining games for the rest of the season, which is unlikely, that would equate to 26 games in total from 2021-2025, less than Melbourne from 2012-2016 and further back.... Fitzroy 1992-1996.

If West Coast win all remaining games this season, they'll have a win percentage of approximately 23% over the past five years. If they don't win another game their win percentage over the last five years will be 18.5%

West Coast...."worst since" Melbourne.

 

[Freomaniac]

In my mind Melbourne of 2013 vintage will always take some beating in these discussions.

I went to their game against Essendon in Round 2 of that year. 148 point trouncing, Essendon kicked the last 15 goals of the game.

I was there that night with someone who’d also gone down the highway to witness their 186 game against Geelong 18 months earlier and he was adamant the mauling from Essendon was worse; at least Geelong 2011 were an amazing side, so you could reason they were just on a hiding to nothing that day.

It was a very odd experience as the supporter of the team doing the mauling; kind of felt awkward and not that enjoyable after a certain point, because the opposition were so obviously beyond broken and shattered as a side.

That demons 2013 was bad. But they had most of the core side 2 years ago. Yes you mentioned that 2011 side that lost by 186 to Geelong in Geelong, but they won 7 games that year.

Demons 2013 wasn't that terrible. Physically and stats wise they were ok. Those players were either lazy or shot with confidence . So it was a physiological thing

 

[Freomaniac]

They're horrible.

2022, 2 wins
2023, maybe the same
2024, won 4 or so
2025 won 1

Shocking

Allow me to fix this for you.....

2022: 2 wins, 20 losses
2023, 3 wins , 20 losses
2024, 5 wins , 18 losses
2025, 1 win so far

 

[Morro]

Shueygod, in the words of one of our resident dumb campaigners tiger_tough, this thread must have you fumin

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Be West Coast. Trade your top draft picks for experienced players. Then turn around and say “look at our list, we have no top 10 picks, we need a priority pick”. Profit.

We have never asked for a priority pick... Even this year we are not asking for a priority pick it seems

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Its definrtly been worse. IMHO the biggest issue Eagles have had since 2018 is simply our player management. In that space of tine we lost 4 players to concussion retirement, 6 players to early retirements due to injury issues and multiple players due to salary cap issues. At one point we did have 1 mill+ on our cap for concussion retirements (Venables and Sheppard)

In a way the losses havnt been as bad as watching the players fall away. I cant remember the last time we had a player legit play a retirement match to be honest. I think maybe Josh Kennedy? Everyone else has retired injured, been traded or retired concussed. Sheed/Shuey/NicNat/Shep/Venables/Gov/Redden/Vardy/Edwards is a insane amount of players to lose to injury in the space of 3 years.

People focus alot on the wins/losses but to me losing the above in such a way has been the most disappointing part of all. It truly sucks that in Round 20 we go to a home game to watch 2 legends of the club drive by in a ute to say goodbye. In a way we need to fix that before we fix anything else. You cant have a club that exists on saying goodbye to players on the back of a truck when its all said and done.

 

[Purple Suit]

Its definrtly been worse. IMHO the biggest issue Eagles have had since 2018 is simply our player management. In that space of tine we lost 4 players to concussion retirement, 6 players to early retirements due to injury issues and multiple players due to salary cap issues. At one point we did have 1 mill+ on our cap for concussion retirements (Venables and Sheppard)

In a way the losses havnt been as bad as watching the players fall away. I cant remember the last time we had a player legit play a retirement match to be honest. I think maybe Josh Kennedy? Everyone else has retired injured, been traded or retired concussed. Sheed/Shuey/NicNat/Shep/Venables/Gov/Redden/Vardy/Edwards is a insane amount of players to lose to injury in the space of 3 years.

People focus alot on the wins/losses but to me losing the above in such a way has been the most disappointing part of all. It truly sucks that in Round 20 we go to a home game to watch 2 legends of the club drive by in a ute to say goodbye. In a way we need to fix that before we fix anything else. You cant have a club that exists on saying goodbye to players on the back of a truck when it’s all said and done.

Besides blokes under 30, why do you think the other retirements are injury related and not just old age?

Do you look at Walters retiring & Fyfe soon to follow as injury related or just normal that you can’t play footy at the elite level forever?

List Management need to factor in that old players are a bonus, especially for WA teams. Having no replacements when they start getting injured in their 30’s is bad management not bad luck.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Besides blokes under 30, why do you think the other retirements are injury related and not just old age?

Do you look at Walters retiring & Fyfe soon to follow as injury related or just normal that you can’t play footy at the elite level forever?

List Management need to factor in that old players are a bonus, especially for WA teams. Having no replacements when they start getting injured in their 30’s is bad management not bad luck.

4 of them were concussion retirements for one thing. Dont compare it to a hamstring strain. Have some manners ffs.

The others are just injury retirements because they retired after they got injured. I dont get why thats so hard to fathom?

In a way you are proving my point. You have 1 player only to name who retired because of injuries in the space of 5 years.... while I have 10....

I mean I dont think we should factor in Gov retiring due to concussions myself but you do you

 

[Doss]

That demons 2013 was bad. But they had most of the core side 2 years ago. Yes you mentioned that 2011 side that lost by 186 to Geelong in Geelong, but they won 7 games that year.

Demons 2013 wasn't that terrible. Physically and stats wise they were ok. Those players were either lazy or shot with confidence . So it was a physiological thing

They won 10 games in 2012-14. They were pretty terrible.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

When defining the "worse since....." why not use Melbourne's five seasons from 2011-2015 where they won 27 matches in five seasons between 2011 and 2015, with a win percentage of 24.5? (2011 - 8 games, 2012 - 4 games, 2013 - 2, 2014 - 4, 2015 - 7).

Fitzroy won 27 games in their last 5 years in the AFL equating to a win percentage of 25% over that five-year period.

Gold Coast won 28 matches in their first five seasons.

Including this season, West Coast have won 21 games since the start of 2021. (2021 - 10 games, 2022 - 2, 2023 - 3, 2024 - 5, 2025 - 1) Even if West Coast won all their remaining games for the rest of the season, which is unlikely, that would equate to 26 games in total from 2021-2025, less than Melbourne from 2012-2016 and further back.... Fitzroy 1992-1996.

If West Coast win all remaining games this season, they'll have a win percentage of approximately 23% over the past five years. If they don't win another game their win percentage over the last five years will be 18.5%

West Coast...."worst since" Melbourne.

If we are doing 5 year period, you've forgotten North Melbourne 2020-2024. They won just 15 games in 5 years for a win % of just 14. That is significantly worse than Melbourne 2011-2015 (nearly twice as bad!). I know it's not very interesting to say the worst since North given we are only going back to last season but North's period is easily the worst in AFL history.

(With all that said, I think the thread is assessing it in single season isolation).

 

[Purple Suit]

4 of them were concussion retirements for one thing. Dont compare it to a hamstring strain. Have some manners ffs.

The others are just injury retirements because they retired after they got injured. I dont get why thats so hard to fathom?

In a way you are proving my point. You have 1 player only to name who retired because of injuries in the space of 5 years.... while I have 10....

I mean I dont think we should factor in Gov retiring due to concussions myself but you do you

We have had more than 1 using your criteria - Sandi, Hill, Cam McCarthy retired due to epilepsy. Not many since 22 beside the big 2 this year but it is just normal old age.

It’s never an issue when the replacements are the same or better than the old timers anyway which should be occurring at the end of players careers. It stands out like dogs ball at WC since your development has dropped off so much and you waited far too long to do anything about it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We have had more than 1 using your criteria - Sandi, Hill, Cam McCarthy retired due to epilepsy. Not many since 22 beside the big 2 this year but it is just normal old age.

It’s never an issue when the replacements are the same or better than the old timers anyway which should be occurring at the end of players careers. It stands out like dogs ball at WC since your development has dropped off so much and you waited far too long to do anything about it.

4 in 10 years vs 10 in 3 years isnt comparable. Not sure why thats hard to comprehend. One number is bigger then the other here

 

[Roobs321]

They should merge with Gold Coast and be known as Gold Coast. They can keep the Coast word