Assisted Dying Laws

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Power Raid said:
A friends husband and dad of two just left the dinner table and hung himself whilst the wife feeding the kids.


I guess, I just take the view that a clean, controlled, painless way is better than going out alone, scared and desperate way. Hopefully this also reduces trauma on the family.
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'hey honey you know what, the kids s**t me and I dont love you anymore, I'm gonna see my doctor and get on the Euthan-dol program , now how about them scrambled egss''

It should not be for a suicide. If you go to your doctor and ask to be euthanased because you are feeling suicidal they will send you to a psychologist/psychiatrist. It wont happen
 
GreyCrow said:
'hey honey you know what, the kids s**t me and I dont love you anymore, I'm gonna see my doctor and get on the Euthan-dol program , now how about them scrambled egss''

It should not be for a suicide. If you go to your doctor and ask to be euthanased because you are feeling suicidal they will send you to a psychologist/psychiatrist. It wont happen
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You’re right

I guess people will just have to continue doing what they have always done.

Like abortion, we would probably see some real social benefits though. It would take a leap to great for a democracy like Australia. Perhaps a holiday island could specialise in this like they would otherwise do as a tax haven.
 
GreyCrow said:
'hey honey you know what, the kids s**t me and I dont love you anymore, I'm gonna see my doctor and get on the Euthan-dol program , now how about them scrambled egss''

It should not be for a suicide. If you go to your doctor and ask to be euthanased because you are feeling suicidal they will send you to a psychologist/psychiatrist. It wont happen
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I would say their relationship had real issues.

Look I do see your point. But what is the difference between a Suicide and Euthanasia? Who determines it? Who is to say how another person should control their destiny?

Hence I can see Power Raids point entirely in lets open it up but I am sceptical about these Victorian Laws. Just adds another layer. Don't have em or in the case above go back to the old days where it is illegal.
 

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Power Raid's belief that it is the goriness of suicide that is traumatic and not the loss of a loved one to a potentially solvable situation is laughable.
 
Power Raid said:
You’re right

I guess people will just have to continue doing what they have always done.

Like abortion, we would probably see some real social benefits though. It would take a leap to great for a democracy like Australia. Perhaps a holiday island could specialise in this like they would otherwise do as a tax haven.
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Ultimately there will be some trickle down of medication ie the Mexican solution will become more available here for those who wish to leave a good looking corpse
 
Research into a condition known as Congenital Insensitivity to Pain (CIP) has found that a single gene abnormality causes some people to not be able to feel any pain at all. It is not a good condition to have as the individuals commonly injure themselves. sometimes fatally. However, scientists and pharmaceutical companies are now using this discovery to devise new methods of pain relief without side effects.

If pain could totally be removed from the equation for the terminally ill would it change the debate about assisted dying?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...erited-condition-that-turns-off-10274604.html
 
sorted said:
Research into a condition known as Congenital Insensitivity to Pain (CIP) has found that a single gene abnormality causes some people to not be able to feel any pain at all. It is not a good condition to have as the individuals commonly injure themselves. sometimes fatally. However, scientists and pharmaceutical companies are now using this discovery to devise new methods of pain relief without side effects.

If pain could totally be removed from the equation for the terminally ill would it change the debate about assisted dying?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...erited-condition-that-turns-off-10274604.html
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physical pain is just one reason why someone may consider wrapping life up.
 
skilts said:
Not wanting to be here would be close to the top of the list.
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That reason alone has never been a serious contender for governments to legislate assisted dying. For example, the Victorian scheme requires that the person expects to die within 12 months and suffering in a way that "cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable".

If the suffering element could be completely removed without side effects would the euthanasia laws no longer be required?
 
sorted said:
That reason alone has never been a serious contender for governments to legislate assisted dying. For example, the Victorian scheme requires that the person expects to die within 12 months and suffering in a way that "cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable".

If the suffering element could be completely removed without side effects would the euthanasia laws no longer be required?
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They still would be. Sure you can deal with the physical aspect of pain, but what about other things like their mental and social health? Those things are still going to suffer even if you take away their physical pain the problem still persists.
 
sorted said:
That reason alone has never been a serious contender for governments to legislate assisted dying. For example, the Victorian scheme requires that the person expects to die within 12 months and suffering in a way that "cannot be relieved in a manner the person deems tolerable".

If the suffering element could be completely removed without side effects would the euthanasia laws no longer be required?
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The relief of intolerable and unrelievable suffering is fundamental to the question of dying with dignity. As to the quite odd proposition whereby suffering is somehow magically - perhaps supernaturally in your world - eradicated then the matter of dying with dignity would not be the pressing issue it is today. However, I tried to move to utopia but couldn't find the passport.
 
AM said:
The relief of intolerable and unrelievable suffering is fundamental to the question of dying with dignity. As to the quite odd proposition whereby suffering is somehow magically - perhaps supernaturally in your world - eradicated then the matter of dying with dignity would not be the pressing issue it is today. However, I tried to move to utopia but couldn't find the passport.
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I am not sure what you are on about. I was referring to a potential scientific breakthrough where pain might be removed. In arguments about assisted dying pain is the main type of suffering that is discussed.
 

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sorted said:
I am not sure what you are on about. I was referring to a potential scientific breakthrough where pain might be removed. In arguments about assisted dying pain is the main type of suffering that is discussed.
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My reference to 'utopia' was in the context of your suggestion about the removal of pain while allowing people to function with some quality of life. It is science fiction as we speak.
 
AM said:
My reference to 'utopia' was in the context of your suggestion about the removal of pain while allowing people to function with some quality of life. It is science fiction as we speak.
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My questions were hypothetical based on recent science research. There would be nothing magical or supernatural about it. The removal of pain is a very real possibility that might shift the balance in the assisted dying debate.
 
sorted said:
My questions were hypothetical based on recent science research. There would be nothing magical or supernatural about it. The removal of pain is a very real possibility that might shift the balance in the assisted dying debate.
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Pain has many masters. Regrettably many terminal conditions that cause suffering would not necessarily be considered painful in the generally accepted sense. We are seeing it with Neale Daniher and his fight with MND. I have a friend with MS, another dreadful degenerative incurable neurological condition. It is also the case with many other conditions where organ failure is involved.

So let's deal with the possible rather than those seeking funding for the implausible.

Back on topic. Seems the dying with dignity option is what the public want. Moreso than ever. Yet there are politicians who mouth listening to the people but fail to do it.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7...tralians-in-favour-of-euthanasia-201711100349
 
I've just learnt on the news that they've been going for 22 hours straight debating this in Victoria. It 's mentioned like It's heroic.

How is allowed to happen in such an imporant issue as this that decisions are allowed to be made by fatigued and emotional people.

If I broke 14 hours I'd be hauled over the coals.
 
I also agree with assissted suicide.

Also what about Alzheimer's/dementia? AFAIK there is no physical pain involved but FMD if I want to go through 5-10 years of slowly losing my marbles to the point where I don't recogise my own family. Having had family members go through this, it's just completely ****ed. After diagnosis (but still lucid), I should be able to choose to end it before I get to that point.
 
Herne Hill Hammer said:
I've just learnt on the news that they've been going for 22 hours straight debating this in Victoria. It 's mentioned like It's heroic.

How is allowed to happen in such an imporant issue as this that decisions are allowed to be made by fatigued and emotional people.

If I broke 14 hours I'd be hauled over the coals.
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Those opposed to the bill filibustered every single clause. As I was driving this morning, I listened to Jill Hennessy interviewed by Jon Faine. The opponents of the bill have taken every procedural motion they could think of to delay a vote on the clause, so they averaged three hours per clause (they were up to the eighth clause by 8.30am when Hennessy appeared on Faine's program).

Neil Mitchell interviewed Danny Pearson (member for Essendon) the morning after the night the lower house spent all night debating the legislation. According to what Mitchell said in the interview (based on something somebody else told him earlier in the day), apparently going 24 hours without sleep is akin to having a BAC of 0.10.
 
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