atmosphere

[Vulcan]

Re: Re: Re: atmosphere

Originally posted by beleevdat
WTF ??? What r u on about Vulcan ? Obviously there is someone missing the point here and it's not me who doesn't understand English. I said AFL due to the FACT that I sometimes go and watch a game even when the bombers are not involved, thus the need for real "atmosphere" to be injected as I obviously don't support the teams playing. Would you like me to explain that to you again or is this a foreign concept to you ?? get with the program you git, and if you don't want to add something to the conversation, just do me a favour and don't reply.
If I have to prove that I am a bombers supporter in order to get a response from you, then I suppose you will never know.
beleevdat!

Fair enough mate,was being a little harsh in retrospect.
But I always think trying to create something out of nothing,like for instance,the English Soccer crowds and the Balmy army in cricket is annoying to me.

Essendon supporters are a little conservative to a degree but there is nothing like a real contest and top performances from the champs to get us going.

You can't inject atmosphere mate,it is either there or it isn't.

The Balmy Army prove that everytime,if you follow cricket as I do.

Drive me mad-good for a laugh for awhile but thats it.

But good on you if you can come up with something.

But make sure it's Aussie.

All the best. I did think your post was taking the mickie,my mistake obviously.

The internet has it's disadvantages.

 

[Runk]

Re: Re: Re: Re: atmosphere

Originally posted by Vulcan
Fair enough mate,was being a little harsh in retrospect.
But I always think trying to create something out of nothing,like for instance,the English Soccer crowds and the Balmy army in cricket is annoying to me.

Essendon supporters are a little conservative to a degree but there is nothing like a real contest and top performances from the champs to get us going.

You can't inject atmosphere mate,it is either there or it isn't.

The Balmy Army prove that everytime,if you follow cricket as I do.

Drive me mad-good for a laugh for awhile but thats it.

But good on you if you can come up with something.

But make sure it's Aussie.

All the best. I did think your post was taking the mickie,my mistake obviously.

The internet has it's disadvantages.

I hereby retract my previous statement describing Vulcan as a f@#$wit. A f@#$wit would not apologise.
Only a good man (= Bombers supporter) would admit when he's made an honest mistake. Well done mate.
You're right about the disadvantages of the net.

Cheers.

 

[beleevdat]

Re: Re: Re: Re: atmosphere

Originally posted by Vulcan
Fair enough mate,was being a little harsh in retrospect.

Essendon supporters are a little conservative to a degree but there is nothing like a real contest and top performances from the champs to get us going.

You can't inject atmosphere mate,it is either there or it isn't.


The internet has it's disadvantages.

ok Vulcan - fellow bomber supporters can forgive and forget...

We are definitely a little conservative and I only think bomber fans shouldn't be run of the mill.... we are bigger & better than everyone, so why should we act like all other AFL supporters !!
agree about not being able to inject atmosphere, but if it becomes a habit, we won't even notice if the game is a bit dull, we will be having a good time no matter what.

 

[Vulcan]

Thanks to you both,my mistake but it just shows how easy it is to misinterpret things on the net.You have to be carefull of how you word things and quite often you cannot tell whether you have a stirrer or someone serious.

So lets us all be carefull about what we put up here.

And just for the record the little fella in the wheelchair and dressed up in Bomber gear who is quite often in the AFL reserve does his best to stir things up.

What a loud voice.

 

[pazza]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Thanks to you both,my mistake but it just shows how easy it is to misinterpret things on the net.You have to be carefull of how you word things and quite often you cannot tell whether you have a stirrer or someone serious.

So lets us all be carefull about what we put up here.

And just for the record the little fella in the wheelchair and dressed up in Bomber gear who is quite often in the AFL reserve does his best to stir things up.

What a loud voice.

That is a great mate of mine. Young Steve. Have known him and spent many a footy game with him over the last 10 years.

I am going to respond to Dodgey's point about the problem with the atmosphere at Essendon matches lies with the Cheer Squad.

I can honestly say, in the period that I was a member of the CS (1997-2002), that the majority of the CS' inner sanctum (which I can say I was a part of) did EVERYTHING in their power to get fans sitting in and around us to be more motivated behind the team, AT ALL TIMES.

There has been, unfortunately a de-stablising influence from the immediate left to the CS. This particular person has caused no end of pain on people, who are kind of heart, in the CS. I am not going to name names, but, this person has failed on 9 separate occassions to join the committee in the annual elections, despite not being a member of the CS.

Her influence on other fans, basically putting them against the CS and meaning those who sit around them are now not prepared to join in on the chants heading from the CS' general direction.

I am prepared to admit that the chants the Cs often engage in go at a rather rapid rate. The CS have to operate under certain guidelines (and it's not just us who this by the way, Richmond and Collingwood have similar problems) and those guidelines restrict the amount of time the collective of the CS' are allowed to stand in seats, and make their chants. Guidelines set by the AFL themselves.

Just a few thoughts from someone who has seen it in action.

 

[Runk]

Originally posted by pazza
That is a great mate of mine. Young Steve. Have known him and spent many a footy game with him over the last 10 years.

I am going to respond to Dodgey's point about the problem with the atmosphere at Essendon matches lies with the Cheer Squad.

I can honestly say, in the period that I was a member of the CS (1997-2002), that the majority of the CS' inner sanctum (which I can say I was a part of) did EVERYTHING in their power to get fans sitting in and around us to be more motivated behind the team, AT ALL TIMES.

There has been, unfortunately a de-stablising influence from the immediate left to the CS. This particular person has caused no end of pain on people, who are kind of heart, in the CS. I am not going to name names, but, this person has failed on 9 separate occassions to join the committee in the annual elections, despite not being a member of the CS.

Her influence on other fans, basically putting them against the CS and meaning those who sit around them are now not prepared to join in on the chants heading from the CS' general direction.

I am prepared to admit that the chants the Cs often engage in go at a rather rapid rate. The CS have to operate under certain guidelines (and it's not just us who this by the way, Richmond and Collingwood have similar problems) and those guidelines restrict the amount of time the collective of the CS' are allowed to stand in seats, and make their chants. Guidelines set by the AFL themselves.

Just a few thoughts from someone who has seen it in action.

Sounds like an episode of HOME & AWAY! Obviously with less beaches and no Alf saying MONGRELS

 

[Stegelator]

Originally posted by Runknisse
Sounds like an episode of HOME & AWAY! Obviously with less beaches and no Alf saying MONGRELS

Flamin Mongrels, they carry on like gallahs!!

 

[dodgey]

Originally posted by pazza
I am going to respond to Dodgey's point about the problem with the atmosphere at Essendon matches lies with the Cheer Squad.

I can honestly say, in the period that I was a member of the CS (1997-2002), that the majority of the CS' inner sanctum (which I can say I was a part of) did EVERYTHING in their power to get fans sitting in and around us to be more motivated behind the team, AT ALL TIMES.

There has been, unfortunately a de-stablising influence from the immediate left to the CS. This particular person has caused no end of pain on people, who are kind of heart, in the CS. I am not going to name names, but, this person has failed on 9 separate occassions to join the committee in the annual elections, despite not being a member of the CS.

Her influence on other fans, basically putting them against the CS and meaning those who sit around them are now not prepared to join in on the chants heading from the CS' general direction.

I am prepared to admit that the chants the Cs often engage in go at a rather rapid rate. The CS have to operate under certain guidelines (and it's not just us who this by the way, Richmond and Collingwood have similar problems) and those guidelines restrict the amount of time the collective of the CS' are allowed to stand in seats, and make their chants. Guidelines set by the AFL themselves.

Just a few thoughts from someone who has seen it in action.

To be quite Honest Pazza .....

The people who Sit AROUND and NEAR the CS, actually have nothing to do with it, except for their proximity to them.

the Cheer Squad are EXACTLY that..... THEY are the one's who are supposed to make noise and start Chants...

Do NOT blame the people AROUND for the inefficiencies of the CS to Not make any noise by the fact that they don't JOIN IN...It's Not THEIR Job.

If that one person is/has been a distraction then just simply Ignore them and don't blame Them and others around for the fact that Our Cheer Squad IMO don't make enough noise..

And besides i think it has been proven that people in and around DO join in

Originally posted by dave_27
The stamping on the hollow concrete during an essendon chant comes up pretty clear. The chanters in the standing room their have really got the people in the aisles (such as myself) surrounding the cheer squad going where it has otherwise been quiet in the past.

ding ding....

Now I was a Member back in the Mid 80's for a fair few years so I think I also have a fair idea on What DOES and DOESN'T constitute Cheering

 

[pazza]

Fair enough Dodgey. Least you and I are able to pass comment on this...we've both been involved in it.

It is hard to ignore this person (I used to sit with this person before I joined the CS). The person wields a lot of power and influence in amogst the club itself.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by dodgey

Do NOT blame the people AROUND for the inefficiencies of the CS to Not make any noise by the fact that they don't JOIN IN...It's Not THEIR Job.

I thought it was a fans job to join in. I remember years prior to 2000 everyone was going nuts. Like the games in 97 98 vs carlton, the 99 game against north.

I blame 2000 for spoiling it. Since then alot of soft ones seem to think we can still win games as we please. It's annoying. I'm guessing any team that wins that much is going to spoil its fans.

 

[bomber_carlee]

bloody hell!!!

how hard can it be?

I nominate Drew as the new leader of the Cheer Squad

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by M29
I thought it was a fans job to join in. I remember years prior to 2000 everyone was going nuts. Like the games in 97 98 vs carlton, the 99 game against north.

I blame 2000 for spoiling it. Since then alot of soft ones seem to think we can still win games as we please. It's annoying. I'm guessing any team that wins that much is going to spoil its fans.

Being 28 years old, I can tell you (and probably anyone may age and older will attest) that prior to 1984 Essendon fans were regarded as the loudest, most voiciferous fans in the league. After 1984-85 our suppoter base increased, but I have no doubt that parochialism and loudness died down.

It's never quite been the same as it was in the early 80's, from what I can remember. Two decades of frustration was ended, and the loudness hasn't quite been the same.

Still it could be worse. We could be more parochial, yet be as crap as Richmond and St.Kilda. I'll accept what we've got at the moment.

 

[M29]

I blame it on one thing. Light beer in plastic cups.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by M29
I blame it on 2000.

Two things obviously!

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Dan26
Two things obviously!

Smart arse!

 

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Dan26
Being 28 years old, I can tell you (and probably anyone may age and older will attest) that prior to 1984 Essendon fans were regarded as the loudest, most voiciferous fans in the league. After 1984-85 our suppoter base increased, but I have no doubt that parochialism and loudness died down.

It's never quite been the same as it was in the early 80's, from what I can remember. Two decades of frustration was ended, and the loudness hasn't quite been the same.

Still it could be worse. We could be more parochial, yet be as crap as Richmond and St.Kilda. I'll accept what we've got at the moment.

No, can't attest to that but always parochial and self interested as it should be.

As for loudness dying down I see your point.That is a huge subject including exluding some of the very people who helped make the noise from going because of the cost.
Or is it that thay have other choices and don't regard footy as worthy of using some of the economic benefits gained to patronise the game?

But if you were an NRL follower the decision would be easy to make.

 

[raskolnikov]

In 1993 when we won the flag there was a great atmosphere. I will never forget the 1993 prelim final. The roar was spine-tingling. Haven't experienced that kind of atmosphere since. When we play teams like Richmond and Collingwood even though the support is 50-50 the noise for the other team is so much louder.

 

[windyhill]

Originally posted by Vulcan
No, can't attest to that but always parochial and self interested as it should be.

I can , not a huge Sheedy fan , but he turned the club around when he arrived in `81. The Essendon crowd`s were worth 2-3 goals due to sheer volume. Sheedy gave them something to yell about.

 

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by windyhill
I can , not a huge Sheedy fan , but he turned the club around when he arrived in `81. The Essendon crowd`s were worth 2-3 goals due to sheer volume. Sheedy gave them something to yell about.

Understand what you are saying but I was being a bit too subtle.
I gave Windy Hill away years before they moved.Old decrepid,out of date.

But they got me back when they went to the MCG.And that was what I was getting at.
We dominated that ground,both supporter wise and attendances,
Increased membership massively, the atmoshere was terrific even against interstate teams -40000 plus in those games every time.

And everyone could get in and our supporters brought the house down nearly every week.

Don't get me going on The Dome,wonderfull place to watch if you are in the right place but it has excluded some of the very people who made that atmosphere at the MCG.

 

[myTbombers]

I think the essendoon fans are the best in the AFL.

However when games just arent that important, alot fall in the trap of not doing their all to support the team. At the majority of games we will have more support their, but people just need a helping hand when it comes to standing up n trying to start a chant. I wish that the cheer squad would just chant Essendon!!

Not all that other **** they chant. They are a group of people, and it is easy to act a fool, when your in a group, so the cheer squad should take notice, and start chanting after a great goal in a tight match, or at a thrown in and scores are tight, not just in general play like they do. Because its obvious to an outsider that some of them dont even mean to chant, they do it for the sake of chanting, or because the feel they have too.

It shouldnt be like that, they should do it with meaning all the time. I am one for the chant. It is real fun when a good one gets going. But who is gonna join into some of the **** ones they do. SERIOUSLY???

They should consentrate on doing the "ESSENDON..!!!" Chant, and when we are pumping a team the" EEEESSSSSSSSEEENNNDDDOOONNNNNNN" and let that echo around the dome, or whichever stadium we r playing at. And the best ones are the "llloooyyyyyyyddddddddddyyyyyyy...lllllllllooooyyyyydddddddddyy" oones or the "hiiiiiirddddyyyyyyy" chants, or another player that is dominating.

They should get the crowd going, with a chant that everyone will do, not some of the real 'childish' ones IMHO!!!

Go BOMMBERRRRRRRRRRRRSS