Attempted tripping??

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

Embley made it his business to take a few Freo players out in derbies. It was their grand final(s), after all.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

Happened to Masten earlier in the year.

Was playing well, McPhee dived in on the ball, ran into the legs of Masten, got his legs caught underneath him, tore his PCL.

McPhee got a free kick from it aswell.

Doing shit like that ends your season, and can end a career. It's dangerous.

Agreed, it is dangerous; and now with the example you have provided we can see two season-ending injuries from this 'diving at legs' practice that is an infringement against the laws. (Tarrant, and Masten).

How long before the ALF acts to start to enforce the rules/laws against this dangerous practice? How many more injuries?
Do we want players diving into the legs of other players? Do we want the ball-ups that seem to be prevalent from diving?


A previous time we saw a new dangerous practice was the dumping of players to the ground with the intention to cause harm. I was horrified when two WCE's wrestled a stationary Robert Harvey from a standing position to a twisted mess on the ground, with Harvey getting a broken knee in the process. I was horrified when Mark Johnson and Damien Hardwick used to roughly-dump players in the early part of this decade. Eventually the AFL brought in laws and interpretations to control this occupational safety issue.

It is now time for AFL to ban diving at legs; and it does not even require a rule change. Just tell the umps...do your job, plz.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

How long before the ALF acts to start to enforce the rules/laws against this dangerous practice?

He'll get back to you.

 

[shoe]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

Why was this thread dug up?

 

[UrLordLeper]

How can a player get reported for attempted tripping when later in the game there were a couple of successful trips, that just recieved free kicks?

Because the player who made the 'succesful' trip wasn't Dustin Fletcher. If it WAS him he most certainly would have been suspended for 2-3 weeks.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

The season ending injury to Chris Tarrant concerned me. (Before you label me as a Freo supporter or a Woods supporter...I barrack for the Bombers).
Essentially, Tarrant was tripped (and in the process copped a season ending injury) by a player sliding in low in a dive to get the ball. Tarrant gets tripped by a sliding body. Not a Fletcher gadget leg, not a rugby ankle tap by hand; but by a 80kg body and at quite some speed.

Was Tarrant tripped over? No doubt. One moment he is vertical, and the next he is forcibly knocked over by contact below his knee.
Was Tarrant hit by a blow that caused a season ending injury. Yes.


So, why no report?
And why no free kick for being tripped.

This is a serious issue developing in the game. More and more in the finals we see bodies diving at the legs of other players. The Selwoods of the world have worked out that they stand to get a free kick in diving at legs, through creating head high contact. To me the diver is the initiator often, he should be penalised for tripping.

Because the player who tripped him was going for the ball. There's a difference between attempting to trip, and accidentally tripping. It's the intent of the player. If his actions are designed specifically to trip his opponent, then he'll be reported. If he was attempting to lay a tackle, or take possession of the ball, and the trip incidental to that, then he wont. It's all about intent.

 

[sross]

Jim Krakouer was suspened for 6 weeks for attempting to trip.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

Why was this thread dug up?

I did it because I had an issue to raise (dangerous diving at legs causing serious injury) and I thought it would be classed as a trip. Being a newbie here I was unaware of whether I had permissions to start a thread, so I piggybacked on the first tripping thread I could find.

So far, it has been established that law 15.4.5.a(ii) declares that conatct below the knee is Prohibited Contact.
In the case of Chris Tarrant, there was a serious injury and no free-kick.
I have since started watching for this type of infringement and you will see it is multiple per game.
Why do the umpires not pay these free-kicks?

 

[Zeitgeist]

Re: Tripping not recognised; but why not.

Because the player who tripped him was going for the ball. There's a difference between attempting to trip, and accidentally tripping. It's the intent of the player. If his actions are designed specifically to trip his opponent, then he'll be reported. If he was attempting to lay a tackle, or take possession of the ball, and the trip incidental to that, then he wont. It's all about intent.

Thank you for your well considered response.

Technically the rule does not excuse the contact (below the knee) by mentioning intent.
But, I can see your point that intent is becoming a grey area for umpires to take into consideration.
Head high contact front on has a similar dilemma. Perhaps Buddy Franklin, or David Hille, should use as their next defence about head high contact " it was my intent to win the ball". My point is that the excuse of intent should not be automatically allowable if serious injouries are being caused by some practices.