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We have the longest serving coach in the AFL who is yet to win a premiership. (Correct me if I'm wrong here).

I feel if Ayres can't win a flag with our current squad then he probably never will. I believe if we stay fit we have the cattle to give it a good shake. Yet I fail to see us doing this in 2004 and to me this primarily comes down to the fact that we have a good coach but not a great one.

So what does Gary need to achieve in 2004 to keep his job as Adelaide coach in 2005? Is it a flag or bye bye?
 
Think Ayres will need at least a top 4 result, and even that may not save him.
Club may feel after 5 years the need for change in direction, but I think it will depend on which coach is in the market?

Club will want an experienced coach and if not a lot avail may stay with Ayers.
His defensive and midfield game plan looks good, but cant come to grips with his forward line gameplan.
 
IMO He has always been the WRONG man for the job.
his game plans have either been so simple that anyone can predict it or they have been so bloody complicated that the players don't know what their jobs are.
Some of the man ups he picks defy all logic.
most of the positional manoveres he does make no sense whatsoever!!

I dont think he should have been renewed after his 1st year.

I dont recon we should get the most experianced availabe either, just the best for the club. I dont give a rats who he is or where he comes from. as long as he makes sense!!
The best thing that could happen is if ayres was gotten rid of before the start of 04.

PS this is my true opinion and not a troll.
 
You have a good squad, but not a great squad.
Gary Ayres will get the most out of the squad, but alas I don't think you have the squad to go all the way unless everything goes just right for you.

Make no mistake about it, he is capable of winning a premiership but he needs to, and be allowed to, look three to four years down the track. Plan for it rather than go for quick fixes with an ageing Tall department.
Before anyone jumps at me for that comment have a quick breath, put your talls in order of "quality" and think about age and durability.

Unfortunately for him so far, he has followed Blight, and the expectations of the teams he took over were perhaps higher than they should have been, and thus had no choice but to "go for broke".
Let him recruit for the future, take the unrealistic expectations away, and he will give it a shake.
This year's recruiting seems to be more in the right direction.
 

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Originally posted by PAfolwr
You have a good squad, but not a great squad.
Gary Ayres will get the most out of the squad, but alas I don't think you have the squad to go all the way unless everything goes just right for you.
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I agree. No doubt that Ayres has the ability to get the best out of his player. He got the best out of Shirley, Massie, McGregor etc but I doubt his ability to develop youngsters. Hopefully Mark Mickan does a great job in the "player development" role and our youngsters benefit from it. One this that we can safely say about Ayres is that he doesn't like soft players and if we look at the player turnover in Ayres' time here, its pretty obvious he got rid of all the softies and got in the players that like to put the body on the line.

I also agree that we don't have a great list and that a lot of things have to go our way for us to win a premiership in 2004.

Make no mistake about it, he is capable of winning a premiership but he needs to, and be allowed to, look three to four years down the track. Plan for it rather than go for quick fixes with an ageing Tall department.
Before anyone jumps at me for that comment have a quick breath, put your talls in order of "quality" and think about age and durability.
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True but how many coaches get that luxury these days?????? None. The nature of the business today is that if you have a decent list and you don't produce results you will be sacked. In all honesty at the end of the day its the coach that has a fair bit of an input in the trading. Ayres could have said last year make Pavlich our number one priority instead of Carey. Coah has a big say in who he wants in his team.

Unfortunately for him so far, he has followed Blight, and the expectations of the teams he took over were perhaps higher than they should have been, and thus had no choice but to "go for broke".
Let him recruit for the future, take the unrealistic expectations away, and he will give it a shake.
This year's recruiting seems to be more in the right direction.
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I agree with the following Blight comment and to be honest Ayres has to unfaily put up with that. He is a good coach in his own right its just that I don't like a couple of things in his match day coaching and game plan has to be fine tuned and not as predictable as it is.

Recruiting this year is how we should go about things every year. Get some quality youth into the club with our 1st and 2nd round picks. Possibly even trade up in the draft to get a crack as better talent. Getting picks is one thing but getting good players with those picks is an entirely different topic which I could carry on for a while yet.
 
Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Not this again.
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It's worth discussion.

Look at the varying opinions in just a few posts. It's not cut and dried.

Ayres has some fantastic qualities as a coach, which basically are the same ones that made him shine as a player.

When he delisted Marsh and Schell at the end of this season, he got rid of the last 2 soft dishonest players on our list. Giving 100% was all he knew as a player and he won't tolerate anything less.

As a player, you back Ayres and he'll back you.

His game plan is not quite right or if it is he hasn't got the players doing what he wants. As Wayne's-World said, Ayres' setup works well in defence and in the mid-field but ever since he has been at the club we have had one of the poorest conversion rates of entries into the forward 50. We bomb it too long to nobody in the forward lines too many times. Let's hope that he can have all of his forward artillery available this year and produce a plan with a much better conversion rate.

The other weakness on match days is an occasional incorrect match-up, but I guess all coaches do that. Ayres true weakness here though is that he is so slooooooooooow to react, that at times it costs games.

My guess is that given a reasonable run with injury, he must achieve at least top 4. If he doesn't , then the AFC might just look for a replacement - but only if there's one better around.
 
Macca,
I don't necessarily disagree, he does however have a very good record at 2 clubs. Especially given what was expected when he arrived at AFC. I think we've become victims of our complacency because he has lead us out of the wilderness before we really got lost. Everyone had a predicted many years of a bleak winter that never happened.

As for his faults I agree mostly, but remember there are 4 - 5 people in the coaches box, it's not just him on his own.
when someone doesn't get moved, they are discussing it - all of them.
 
Originally posted by Crow-mosone

As for his faults I agree mostly, but remember there are 4 - 5 people in the coaches box, it's not just him on his own.
when someone doesn't get moved, they are discussing it - all of them.
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Granted, but when all is said & done Ayresy has the final say & if he is not getting the correct advice from his assistants on a some what regular basis then surely he can send them on their way & recruit new blood for in the coaching box.

I believe any position lower than we finished in 03 will result in a change of senior coach for 05 & beyond.
 
My thinking is that Gary's two year extension was given with a clear message from the club. I think the club believed he had the cattle, the money, the back up and the time to bring Adelaide it's third flag. Whether or not this is the case is debatable.

If he does not produce it in 2004, is there a point from the clubs perspective in continuing with Ayres? Is there any point from Gary's persepective?

Whilst I believe we will remain competitive I think we are in for a medium term period of "rebuilding" (for lack of a better term), while we sort through the youngsters and get them to AFL standard with 50+ games under their belts. Are the AFC going to give Gary the three plus years he will require to build a truly premiership competitive team? Or should they put their faith in a promising young coach and give him the chance to develop along with the new look team?

Certainly I lean towards the second option at the moment.
 

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Originally posted by napsyd
My thinking is that Gary's two year extension was given with a clear message from the club. I think the club believed he had the cattle, the money, the back up and the time to bring Adelaide it's third flag. Whether or not this is the case is debatable.

If he does not produce it in 2004, is there a point from the clubs perspective in continuing with Ayres? Is there any point from Gary's persepective?

Whilst I believe we will remain competitive I think we are in for a medium term period of "rebuilding" (for lack of a better term), while we sort through the youngsters and get them to AFL standard with 50+ games under their belts. Are the AFC going to give Gary the three plus years he will require to build a truly premiership competitive team? Or should they put their faith in a promising young coach and give him the chance to develop along with the new look team?

Certainly I lean towards the second option at the moment.
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If Gary Ayres can take us to a top 4 spot next year i see no reason to change the coach & would offer him a 2 year extension but if we were to finish lower than we finished in 03 then with an expected turn-around of players maybe it's time for change of coach as well.
 
Originally posted by noddy
If Gary Ayres can take us to a top 4 spot next year i see no reason to change the coach & would offer him a 2 year extension but if we were to finish lower than we finished in 03 then with an expected turn-around of players maybe it's time for change of coach as well.
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Agree 100%. AFC will be looking for an improvement on this year. If he fails to do that then Ayresy might be in a bit of a trouble. As usual macca23 has hit it on the head when he said his main fault is that he is so slow in making a move. He should be a bit more alert in these situations. Ayres as a coach doesn't have the greatest of records in recent times.
 
Doesn't it depend on who's available in the coaching market.
Better the devil you know?
We cant say under Ayers that we have not been competitive each week - the question remains is he creative enough to win the big won against good tactical coaches.

Hard to believe that a well run club like Adelaide will have the lack of forsight to plan recruiting for the future - its a question of getting the quality of recruits via higher draft picks - and that will require some creative trading - but even then no guarantees (Angwin)

Compare our performance since 97 to that of St Kilda
 
There are a lot more variables on where a team will finish, apart from the coach. It really is a difficult call.

When the crunch comes, as has been the practice with afl sides, if the side doesn't perform, its the change of coach that in the end is seen as more of a quick fix to a difficult solution.

Mind you that change often seems to have the desired effect -well in the short term at least.
 

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